The Official Ron Paul Hate Thread

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posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 03:49 PM
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This is the official thread where those that do not understand Ron Paul can vent their hate here, only to be refuted by knowledgable Ron Paul Fans.

IMO, every Ron Paul hater dislikes Ron Paul with no foundation or lack of understanding of current and past events.

I truly believe this, so come on in here, hate on Ron Paul as much as possible, so that fans can show you the light!

I guarantee at the end, if members that don't like Dr. Paul openly speak on what they disagree about, at the end they will vote for him.


So Let The Hating..........then converting begin!




posted on Nov, 21 2007 @ 08:39 AM
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Trying to make pigs sing, as I have seen on this board, lol. RP is the best candidate out there.



posted on Nov, 21 2007 @ 11:19 AM
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Why does it have to be about hate?

I don't hate RP any more than I hate Hillary, Edwards, Mitt, Rudy or Obama..

I am simply not going to campaign for or vote for him...

The rabid foaming at the mouth hatred expressed by some in the political arena is for those that are not to be taken seriously anyway...

Nope no hate, just no vote, not me, my friends or family...

I am assuming you believe we have the right to vote for whomever we choose?

Semper



posted on Nov, 21 2007 @ 11:40 AM
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I don't hate Ron Paul personally.

I hate the fact that he is for defeat in Iraq.

I hate that his fanatics spam online polls, energizing his base with false support, and stealing credit cards to fund his campaign.

I hate that he goes back and forth between the Republican Party and the Libertarian Party. Whatever is conveinent I guess?



posted on Nov, 21 2007 @ 01:46 PM
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WHATTTTTTTT????????

You hate that he wants us to get defeated in Iraq?
Are you serious????????

He wants us out of Iraq, which is just for oil.

Explain yourself, you want america to continue to invade other countries for oil?????????????????????????



posted on Nov, 21 2007 @ 03:06 PM
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Yes I don't hate RP either. I think it's a little bizarre to assume that everyone who does not agree with Paul or plan to vote for him "hates him". Fanatical RP supporters like that are a good portion of the reason I could never back him. (even if some of his policy ideas weren't insane)

And like Semper said, I don't "hate" Ron Paul any more than I "hate" Hillary Clinton, Edwards, Obama, or Rudy. I just don't agree with the guy and he will never get a vote from me or my family or friends.

Nothing more nothing less.



posted on Nov, 21 2007 @ 03:21 PM
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I didn't say you hated him, i used the word hater, which is kinda different

why would you not vote for him?



posted on Nov, 21 2007 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
why would you not vote for him?


Because I don't think he has what it takes to lead this country.

Because I think his defeatist mentality about Iraq is disgusting, as well as his "there's nothing wrong" attitude on Iran.

Because I think his plans of abolishing the federal reserve are not only ludicrous, but downright dangerous.

Granted I do admire some of the things he is a proponent of, but overall we just disagree on too many levels.



posted on Nov, 21 2007 @ 04:44 PM
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We were mislead into this war by the Bush Administration. We were told "Mission Accomplished!" years ago. As we continue to focus our efforts in Iraq (to whatever success), there are other very important elements of our infrastructure that are beginning to stammer. I bought plane tickets to Denmark for Christmas in August. My dollar is worth less now in Denmark than it was when i bought those tickets. Which generation before me has watched our dollar go down the drain? I think we spend too much time overseas trying to secure our interests, and we aren't focusing enough on the issues that threaten this nation at home. Terrorists are the worst kinds of bad guys as far as i'm concerned, but the last thing I want to see is the United States with their heads in the sand fighting a slow and grinding war in Iraq while our economy staggers, our dollar drops, our education goes under, oil prices go up, and so on and so forth until we're no longer ABLE to defend our interests overseas, because we don't have the resources. It doesn't take much once you're past the tipping point.

I hate that his fanatics spam online polls, energizing his base with false support, and stealing credit cards to fund his campaign.

Let's assume for a moment that his fanatics are spamming online polls. I've heard VERY little reporting regarding this on television, and many many voters still do not get their information via the internet. Spamming Ron Paul supporters are, for the most part, preaching to the choir. It's not false support, it's a showing of strong support. Support of exposure, a fair shake. If Spammers are responsible for giving Ron Paul the exposure to likely make the most money in the fourth quarter, then i say good for them. Because now he's available to more of the voting base as an option. People deserve fairness when they decide who to vote for. It shouldn't be the job of the mainstream media to pick and choose.

The stealing credit cards bit is the most ignorant thing you've said thus far. I'm assuming you have no experience in the field of ECommerce or Internet Crime. I have a degree in Computer Related Crime Investigation and i'm the Sales manager for a successful software company online. So it's safe to assume i know what i'm talking about. Credit Card thieves buy credit card numbers from off-the-grid locations online, why? So they can steal your money. They're also smart, unfortunately. Before they go ahead and draw attention to themselves attempting to make a big purchase, they place an order for a small amount of money to test the cards validity. If it works, they know they can go spend away on what they really want.

Credit Card thieves like to test their stolen product on ECommerce sites that are very busy and don't have time to flag orders. A one-day online fundraiser is the perfect opportunity to test your credit card numbers to make sure they're good. Orders are being processed so quickly that nobody has time to check. And why should they? The government doesn't seem to care, credit card companies always give the money back to their customers without even seeking evidence in some cases. It's not rocket science and you shouldn't jump to conclusions and assume ron paul supporters would really be so stupid as to steal credit cards and donate money. That's just dumb.



posted on Nov, 21 2007 @ 06:27 PM
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1) I cannot believe the BS i'm reading ON ATS, yes where i expect more intelligent people to be, that they want to stay in Iraq to kill innocent people.

What is going on here? This is settler colonialism all over again, only difference is here your country will be bankrupt in the process. There are innocent people dying that aren't even being accounted for because they were killed by a "private" firm(blackwater and other contractors) which you didn't even vote for, also which are horribly expensive.

THEY ARE THERE FOR OIL! You want them to stay there because you want rich greedy people to send patriotic soldiers to their death to either kill or get killed because you want rich people to live in comfort?

Are you sincerely in your senses? I don't even have enough energy to list all the numeorous reasons with how horrible it is that americans want america to stay in Iraq. You obviously don't care for your kids and don't care that they will be in debt because of empire-building and live in a country under immense threat because of declarations of illegal wars that cause hate to spread like wildfire.

2) As far as the credit card thing, it was 3 inserts of $5, nothing to worry about, and because of it it was the first time that Ron Paul was on Fox News's website's front page in the politics section....WOW, complain about that rather.



posted on Nov, 21 2007 @ 06:38 PM
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I hate that Ron Paul makes me think.

I hate that Ron Paul makes me think criticialy.

I hate that Ron Paul makes me think criticialy about Goverment.

I hate that Ron Paul makes me think criticialy about the role of Goverment.

I hate that Ron Paul makes me think criticialy and apply the consitution to the Goverment.



But, that is the reason I love him.



posted on Nov, 21 2007 @ 07:37 PM
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posted on Nov, 21 2007 @ 08:22 PM
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THEY ARE THERE FOR OIL!


Well that kind of sums up the intellect prevalent on this thread... Must be why I'm paying such low prices for my gas, because we took all that oil...

OH YEAH, we haven't....

Still get most of our oil from Canada .... What happened to all the oil we stole from Iraq? I wonder.. HMMMMM Oh I get it.. We are going to invade Canada next..


Top 5 Oil Importers as of 07

CANADA 1,956 1,950 1,864 1,753 1,777
SAUDI ARABIA 1,441 1,468 1,428 1,546 1,424
MEXICO 1,293 1,381 1,431 1,441 1,638
VENEZUELA 1,146 1,138 1,123 1,129 1,162
NIGERIA


Oh Yeah I know... It's cause we all hate RP... Yeah That's it... We hate RP, we have cheap gas because we are at war in Iraq and the Tooth Fairy is coming to my house...



Semper



posted on Nov, 21 2007 @ 08:28 PM
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I don't even 'dislike' Ron Paul, but, someone told me that he's for open borders, believes in aliens and other stuff I can't remember.

He still looks like the least dangerous, though IMO.



posted on Nov, 21 2007 @ 08:31 PM
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He still looks like the least dangerous, though IMO


Now that you mention it.. He does look alot like Ross Perot...


Semper



posted on Nov, 21 2007 @ 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by Clearskies
I don't even 'dislike' Ron Paul, but, someone told me that he's for open borders, believes in aliens and other stuff I can't remember.

He still looks like the least dangerous, though IMO.


he isn't for open borders. He is 100% against open borders. He thinks american troops on iraqi borders would be better served on america's borders. He is 100% against any kind of North American Union and wants to do away with the trade agreements that have hindered trade rather than helped.

That someone who told you that paul is for open borders...His name isn't Sean Hannity, is it?


ape

posted on Nov, 22 2007 @ 01:48 AM
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originally posted by RRconservative
I hate the fact that he is for defeat in Iraq.


What defeat? That's an insult to our troops, they've done their job and won the war. They toppled saddam, provided protection so the Iraqis can form their own government, trained the Iraqi military, and are now polcing Iraqi streets even when the Iraqi government goes on vacation. Our troops aren't police officers, they have no business policing Iraqi affairs. The troops have done their job in Iraq now let the Iraqi's take over, and if they can't let them hire out foreign contractors for assistance.

I think it's laughable how people think things will fall apart if the U.S. starts to withdraw troops. We pretty much gave the shia the majority, you think the sunnis will suffer at the hands of the shia because of AQ? AQ will see some hardcore Iraqi justice if we let the Iraqis do it themselves on their own terms.



I hate that his fanatics spam online polls, energizing his base with false support, and stealing credit cards to fund his campaign.


Yeah, we spammed 4.3 million to his campaign in one day setting a GOP record, 3 grand of that returned because of criminals not involved with the campaign. Cyfre already explained this in detail yet people still don't wanna listen. You're just smearing.




I hate that he goes back and forth between the Republican Party and the Libertarian Party. Whatever is conveinent I guess?


He was still a registered republican when he ran on the (L) ticket. He's always been a republican and was leading a texas republican delegation in support of Reagn in 76 when the likes of Hannity and Beck were snot nosed punk teenagers, Rush Limbaugh was "Jeff Christie", and Rudy Giuliani was a Democrat.

Once again the same garbage from the hit squad ( nyk & RR ) and as usual, is all wind and void of substance with their disagreements. NYK you support Mike Huckabee and you can't even explain why. I thought this thread was going to have some kind of intellectual substance from the RP detractors but of course it's business as usual.



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posted on Nov, 22 2007 @ 06:00 AM
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You sound like you're surprised. These are the same types that say stuff like Hillary spending 150billion in ten years on America is evil socialism but Bush spending 150billion on Halliburton and Iraq in one month is great foreign policy.



posted on Nov, 22 2007 @ 07:48 AM
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You sound like you're surprised. These are the same types that say stuff like Hillary spending 150billion in ten years on America is evil socialism but Bush spending 150billion on Halliburton and Iraq in one month is great foreign policy.


So you hate Ron Paul because you are a Hillary Lover?

All of your posts are starting to make a lot of sense now...

Semper


ape

posted on Nov, 22 2007 @ 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by HHH Is King
You sound like you're surprised. These are the same types that say stuff like Hillary spending 150billion in ten years on America is evil socialism but Bush spending 150billion on Halliburton and Iraq in one month is great foreign policy.


Indeed. Only few republicans have any credibility when it comes to fighting the spending and fighting the expansion of government in washington that's occured since republicans have gained the majority. An almost 40% increase of government since Clinton left office, largest expansion of entitlements since LBJ, more spending than the next 41 presidents combined, open borders after declaring a " war on terror", etc etc.. And then I hear clowns like Rush and Hannity harp on democrats for being big government and being big spenders while apologizing for Bush. Pot meet Kettle, my party has no credibility and Ron Paul is working his hardest to rebuild that credibility and I admire him for that. Infact I would go as far as to say Ron Paul is my hero, a close second to my dad.



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