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Did Lemuria and Atlantis War? Were Aliens Involved?

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posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 02:01 PM
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Well, to answer that question you would have to:

1. Find Atlantis. No theories, the exact physical location.

2. Find Lemuria. No theories, the exact physical location.

3. Analyze their surface. Find signs of ancient wars. Research and discard a natural phenomenon as a possible explanation for those signs.

4. Prove the existence of extraterrestrial life forms.

5. Prove that they have indeed visited our planet. Get to know as much of their technology as possible.

6. Based on their technology, analyze the remnants of Atlantis and Lemuria again. This time to search for evidence of that technology.

The hard part would be steps 1,2 and the alien part. Without that, it's pure speculation. It's like trying to build a castle on top of imaginary foundations.




posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 02:03 PM
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That really made no sense.

And it is still not proof of any of these claims.



posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 02:11 PM
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The Earth is like an onion. There are many layers to it.

As with the fields of perception, one can exist in the very same spot and time and be unseen. But those that have expanded that perception see just fine.


It just so happens back then which is now, technology was placed in the hands of those that were quick to decieve. Man tested his SIN technology or science for his own gain. Only technology in the right hands brings heaven back to Earth. Hence darkness won, and we experienced another 'Dark Age' soon afterwards. But this time the Light will take presedence. Hence A 'light ERA' or 'Golden Age' when the Sons/suns of man takes back his right to BE IN the DIVINE LIGHT. Mankind will have to lead with the (heart) so the head will fall into place.





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posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by Farnswoth
The hard part would be steps 1,2 and the alien part. Without that, it's pure speculation. It's like trying to build a castle on top of imaginary foundations.


They can't even get their sourcing right; for instance the Rama's war is detailed in the Ramayana, not the Mahabharata. And it was not between Rama and Atlantis, but between Rama and the Demon King Ravanna, who ruled Sri Lanka.



posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by SaviorComplex
I'm sorry, but where in The Mahabharata does it refer to Atlantis?

Keep in mind that the original texts are in Sanskrit and although the empire of Atlantis is described, you will not find the actual word "Atlantis" in the ancient texts of India. However, look for the word Atala. Also, vimana is an aerial vehicle in ancient India that was often used in battle.


Well, it so happens that one of the explanations for the destruction of Atlantis is found in the Sanskrit Epic literature. It seems that during the war between the Gods and Asuras several battles occurred involving vimanas which failed to accomplish the goal to end a ten year-long war. Finally an extremely large vimana is built, and armed with a weapon, very similar in its stated effects to our present-day nuclear weapons. The vimana flew toward Atlantis (Atala, in the account) and launched it directly at the capital city, Tripura. As a result cities and inhabitant were destroyed and sent, burning, to the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean. So says the Mahabharata. You can argue with it, but you can't change it. I simply present all sides to the question.

Describing the final battle in what I believe to be the same war, the Greek writer Hesiod says that the ocean "seethed and boiled" and that mountains "heaved and shook" as the Titans were suffering their ignominious defeat. They were finally imprisoned (they were considered to be immortal, and thus could not die) in "Tartaros" beneath this western ocean. The gates of this prison were guarded by none other than Atlas--a definitive Atlantean connection! For full details click on the Mythology page, or click on the scroll labeled "Aircraft from India" and then the "War of the Gods and Asuras". The similarities between these stories are striking, and unlikely to be mere coincidence. Even the Bible makes reference (although somewhat obscure) to this event.

Summary Page For The Quest For Atlantis


Originally posted by SaviorComplex
Is the Kurukshetra War the war between Atlantis and Rama you are refering to? The Kurukshetra War was not between Atlantis and Rama, but two rival clans for the city of Hastinapura.

The war between Atlantis and Rama, as it is translated by a number of people from the referenced text, entailed the use of very powerful devices that resemble "modern" weapons of mass destruction.

So I think we can safely rule out that it was just a bunch of local tribesman/clans having it out with spears, swords, and arrows.





posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 03:02 PM
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You are still wrong.

The Kurukshetra War in the Mahābhārata was between the Kauravas and the Pandavas. The Rama-Ravanna War was between Rama's Empire and the kingdom of Lanka, which is modern-day Sri Lanka.



posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by SaviorComplex

Originally posted by rikriley
The Lumerian region I speak of starts in the western U.S. and extends from the coast off Calif. westward too the Hawaii Islands. This is what was channeled to me believe it or not.


You're right, I don't believe it. The geography of the Pacific Ocean does not support your claim.

There are groups of islands off the coast to California, but after that, there is nothing but a thousand miles of deep ocean until you reach Hawaii, nothing resembling a continent.


My theory is that Lumeria between California and Hawaii experienced a tectonic shift a collaspe of the surface and subsurface along with seafloor spreading that actually caused the ocean crust to dilate and swallow up a large portion of Lumeria. Rik Riley

[edit on 20-11-2007 by rikriley]



posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 03:29 PM
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I made no mention of the Kurukshetra War...you did.

What I did reference was the war between Rama and Atlantis (Atala), which you choose to ignore.



posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by Paul_RichardWhat I did reference was the war between Rama and Atlantis (Atala), which you choose to ignore.

Are you talking about Dwaraka? Doesn't really matter, since there is no link between Atlantis (Myth) and Hindu mythology. If you look in the WikiProject Hinduism/Mythology page you will find many people concerned about -and reporting- the acts of vandalism of people trying to edit in Atlantis and nuclear weapons in an attempt to validate their nut theories.

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posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 04:59 PM
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Here is a link to an older thread about a theory regarding ancient cities and nuclear weapons.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 05:38 PM
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I noticed that you wrote Lumeria and not Lemuria.

Are both the same and you wrote it in a different way for some reason or are they different things?

PS: I think this is the most useless discussion I have ever seen, the possible interference of aliens (for which there are no proof of existence) in a war between two countries for which there are no proof of existence...

People are really strange.



posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 07:16 PM
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THE FOLLOWING IS BASED ON CHANNELED ACCOUNTS:

Another idea is that there was no 'war' as such between the Atlanteans and the Lemurians, but instead there was an invasion of sorts.

The idea goes that the Atlanteans discovered the Lemurians and had trouble understanding their ways and culture. They co-existed for quite a period before the Atlanteans chose to learn from the Lemurians - it was at this time that certain Lemurians were transported from Lemuria to Atlantis to be experimented on and scientifically studied.

The Lemurians had maintained an extremely strong tie to their spiritual origins and hence lived both in body and spirit. They could utilize vibrational frequencies to move and manifest objects and worked closely with crystal for everything from healing to information storage and even energy manipulation.

The Atlanteans envied these abilities and wished to learn from them, but they didn’t understand the spiritual/energetic link the Lemurians had both to their land and their source.

Long story short, the Atlanteans were baffled by the Lemurians and only learnt parts of their abilities.

Over time, it is thought that more and more young Lemurians were exposed to Atlantis and its temptations (much the way a tribal person could be lured by say New York city or Paris) and the Lemurians old ways slowly died off. But not before the Lemurian elders stored the knowledge and history of Lemuria in Earthkeeper crystals. These crystals remain to this day, waiting to be read and deciphered so the world will know again the history of the Lemurians.

It is believed that monuments such as the pyramids of Giza were Atlantean attempts to duplicate Lemurian temples in the third dimension - ie: in stone. Lemurian monuments were not the monoliths we find today - they were more likely located on areas of high energy and existed on a different dimensional plane - hence RikRiley's theories work in my opinion.

It could have been Atlantis' misuse and lack of understanding of Lemuria's use of crystals that lead to the cataclysms of the time.


Were aliens involved in a war? Im not sure. Michael Tsarion has some very interesting study in this area, although he believes that aliens landed in Atlantis and started that civilizations. According to Tsarion, Lemuria was a result of alien experiments gone wrong essentially - they created a version of man who was too powerful. Interesting ideas with a lot of references and info to back it up. Read it if you never have



EDIT TO ADD: Yes Rik, i always said Lemuria as it was derived from some Frnch word for Mu - LE (the) MU (mu) RIA (meant LAND or something i think). so The land of Mu. but i cant remember where i read it or if that is correct. So why Lumeria??? (i accidentally used to write it Lumeria too)


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posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by srsen...i always said Lemuria as it was derived from some Frnch word for Mu - LE (the) MU (mu) RIA (meant LAND or something i think). so The land of Mu. but i cant remember where i read it or if that is correct...


Here's the reason for the name:


Though the living modern lemurs are only found in Madagascar and several surrounding islands, the biogeography of extinct lemurs extending from Pakistan to Malaysia inspired the name Lemuria, which was coined in 1864 by the geologist Philip Sclater in an article "The Mammals of Madagascar" in The Quarterly Journal of Science. Puzzled by the presence of fossil lemurs in both Madagascar and India, but not in Africa nor the Middle East, Sclater proposed that Madagascar and India had once been part of a larger continent, which he named "Lemuria" for its lemurs.


This is also interesting:


Lemuria (IPA: [liˈmjuriə]) is the name of a hypothetical "lost land" variously located in the Indian and Pacific Oceans. Its 19th century origins lie in attempts to account for discontinuities in biogeography. Lemuria has been rendered superfluous by modern understanding of plate tectonics. Although sunken continents do exist — see Zealandia in the Pacific and the Kerguelen Plateau in the Indian Ocean — there is no geological formation under the Indian or Pacific Oceans that corresponds to the hypothetical Lemuria.

Though Lemuria has passed out of the realm of science, it has been adopted by occult writers, as well as some Tamil writers of India. Accounts of Lemuria differ according to the requirements of their contexts, but all share a common belief that a continent existed in ancient times and sank beneath the ocean as a result of geological change, often cataclysmic.


Source: Wikipedia



posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 09:48 PM
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Lets try and substantiate this claim--lets try and find out of this is really true...? I'll dig deeper and try and find out if REAL scientists are willing to make THESE claims as well:




Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous

A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built.

For some time it has been established that there is a very high rate of birth defects and cancer in the area under construction. The levels of radiation there have registered so high on investigators' gauges that the Indian government has now cordoned off the region. Scientists have unearthed an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from 8,000 to 12,000 years, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear bomb used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945.


SOURCE

I find the same information on only 3-5 sites--I wish to dig deeper and see if these places really ARE unusually radioactive -- as well as finding "glass" from highly heated silica particles in the sand.

*EDIT*

I did just find this site that says,




Archeologist Francis Taylor stated that etchings in some nearby temples he translated suggested that they prayed to be spared from the great light that was coming to lay ruin to the city. “It’s so mind-boggling to imagine that some civilization had nuclear technology before we did. The radioactive ash adds credibility to the ancient Indian records that describe atomic warfare.” When excavations of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro reached the street level, they discovered skeletons scattered about the cities, many holding hands and sprawling in the streets as if some instant, horrible doom had taken place. People were just lying, unburied, in the streets of the city. And these skeletons are thousands of years old, even by traditional archaeological standards. What could cause such a thing? Why did the bodies not decay or get eaten by wild animals? Furthermore, there is no apparent cause of a physically violent death. A. Gorbovsky, in Riddles of Ancient History, reported the discovery of at least one human skeleton in this area with a level of radioactivity approximately 50 times greater than it should have been due to natural radiation. Furthermore, thousands of fused lumps, christened “black stones”, have been found at Mohenjo-Daro. These appear to be fragments of clay vessels that melted together in extreme heat.


SOURCE

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posted on Nov, 21 2007 @ 02:57 AM
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Thank you so much for the skeptics on this thread. I think we truly need more of you.

The initial link that was given at the start of the thread was truly laughable.

“These books are sold through:
Mount Shasta Light Publishing - www.mslpublishing.com...
Amazon.com - The internet bookseller
Bookstores via New Leaf Distributing.
Discover your ancient lineage and enjoy!”

Capitalism at its best. Make up ***t and sell it to the droves…..
I’m a little envious I did not think of it myself



posted on Nov, 21 2007 @ 06:27 AM
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Originally posted by Paul_Richard
I made no mention of the Kurukshetra War...you did.

What I did reference was the war between Rama and Atlantis (Atala), which you choose to ignore.


You made a de facto mention of the Kuruskshetra War; you are basing your claims for a war between Rama and Atlantis on the Mahābhārata. However, the Mahābhārata is not about Rama; the war detailed in the Mahābhārata is not Rama's war. Rama's war is in the Ramayana, and it is not against "Atala" but Ravanna's Lanka.

Perhaps you could help us out by pointing to where exactly in the Mahābhārata it talks about Atala. I doubt you have any familiarity with the works, and instead basing your opinion on someone else's shoddy scholarship.



posted on Nov, 21 2007 @ 06:39 AM
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The site you quoted also says this:




So, let us discover what might be the best evidence. The first question is whether a Francis Taylor existed. There is a Francis Taylor, an American museum director, who died in 1957. He was not an archaeologist. There is a “Franciscio Taylor”, but he is not the above quoted Francis Taylor.





Surendra Gadekar also investigated the conditions of villagers at Rawatbhatta in Rajasthan and discovered gross radiation-related deformities. We note that Rawatbhatta is in the same region as the discovery of the “ancient warfare” site. But Gadekar did not find evidence of ancient warfare, but evidence of modern negligence: wood that had been used in the power plant, had then “somehow” made his way into society, where it was subsequently used as wood for a fire. This in itself was a minor incident, but could there have been more serious incidents, whereby it was decided to deflect attention from the present to the ancient past?



posted on Nov, 21 2007 @ 07:47 AM
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How do we know that YOUR conclusions are not based on "shoddy scholarship?"

It is time for YOU to provide some reference links to back up your highly questionable conclusions


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posted on Nov, 21 2007 @ 07:50 AM
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before u jump to that coclusion we need to find out if this civilization is real or not.

stop assuming, face the facts



posted on Nov, 21 2007 @ 07:54 AM
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MystikMushroom,

You cite good references.

Here is another pertinent passage from one of them...


Atlantis and Rama were not the only advanced civilizations in the world at that time. The Mediterranean was a large and fertile valley...It is an archaeological fact that there are more than 200 known sunken cities in the Mediterranean. That must be where the Pyramids came from...Given that the ancients had nuclear capabilities, we know that they had the technology of 1945 at the earliest.

Source

And here is another site with a similar take on the situation...


The India of 15,000 years ago is sometimes known as the Rama Empire, a land that was contemporary with Atlantis. A huge wealth of texts still extant in India testify to the extremely advanced civilization that is said by these texts to go back over 26,000 years. Terrible wars and subsequent earth changes destroyed these civilizations, leaving only isolated pockets of civilization.

The Origins of Human Beings




[edit on 21-11-2007 by Paul_Richard]



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