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Originally posted by ULTIMA1
So you do agree then the there were only a few beams broken on impact and that the towers did withstand the impacts of the planes?
Originally posted by Pilgrum
I count at least 27 adjacent columns as being broken and that's just on the entry side of WTC2.
Yes the towers didn't immediately fail - the additional effect of the fires took them past the point of no return.
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
You mean of the outter beams not inner? And as you can cleasry see in the photo you posted the wings barely made it into the building.
So you agree the buildings did withstand the plane impacts?
Also the fire in 1975 burned for 3 hours and caused no damge to the steel how could a fire buring less then an hour cause so much damge to the steel?
Originally posted by Pilgrum
Statements from people inside the building give a clue as to how bad the initial damage was but unfortunately, theres no way to quantify it so you can argue forever about it but it seems the impacts plus the fires brought them down in the absence of any other obvious factors.
Originally posted by HLR53K
Titanium accounted for roughly had over 1% of its empty weight (about 1 ton). This is in accordance to ASM Internation's Technical Guide to Titanium.
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
So you wouild agree then that 1 ton of titanium out of an 80 ton plane is not a lot and would not make a lot of difference when the majority of the plane is made of aluminum and was shredded by the steel beams as it hit the buildings.
Originally posted by open mind
It's a good question however the simple answer is:
when it's going 600 mph
Originally posted by jimmyx
a commercial airline can't fly that low at that speed...air too dense for structural integrity...in other words...the wings would rip off
Originally posted by Damocles
Originally posted by jimmyx
a commercial airline can't fly that low at that speed...air too dense for structural integrity...in other words...the wings would rip off
ok but how long does it take flying that fast that low for the wings to rip off? surely its not instantly is it? i mean you cant expect any of us to believe that if a jet goes below a certain altitude at a certain speed that the wings will just rip off right away...can you?
so, then how long were the jets that hit the towers flying that fast that low? was it within the time limit that a jet could do it and not have its wings rip off?
why does no one ask these, what i feel are obvious, questions?
Originally posted by HLR53K
But if any of those pieces have a decent amount of thickness to them, they would still cause considerable damage to a steel beam of lesser thickness.
Originally posted by Damocles
why does no one ask these, what i feel are obvious, questions?
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Well where is the evidence that the titanium was as thick or thicker then the steel beams?
Most reports state that the buildings withstood the planes impacts, specially the South tower since the plane went in at an angle through the side of the building.
Originally posted by HLR53K
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you think we're saying that the plane would have gone through the side of the building with no damage. Is this what you think we're saying?
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Please do not try to put words in my mouth. Please show evidence to support your claim about the titanium. I can show evidence to support my claims, why can't you ?
If you need to i can show all the reports that states the planes WERE NOT a cause for the collapse. Most reports state the FIRE ALONE was the cause of the collapse.
Originally posted by HLR53K
They had to impact for the aviation fuel to have ended up inside the towers.
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
A large majority of the jet fuel was burned off in the intial explosion OUTSIDE the buildings.
As far as jet fuel getting to the basement there is only 1 elevator shaft that goes from the upper floors to the sub basement.
Originally posted by HLR53K
But some of it still had to have gotten inside to start the fires. I'm not debating how much got inside, just that some had to, since the airplanes impacted the buildings.
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
But what about the explosions and people burned in the sub basement that the believers say was casued by jet fuel?
Where did th jet fuel in the basement come from?