How Does Aluminum Cut Steel?, page 7

Originally posted by canadude
reply to post by Blue_Jay33

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WATER CUTTING STEEL
I worked in machine shops for many years and have used steel cutting machines such as laser, plasma, wire EDM and the waterjet cutting machines. Water does NOT cut steel but it carries an abrasive (sand) in order to cut steel. Tons of sand is required to operate a waterjet machine ($1000 - $2000 / months for sand alone)

Just curious but do you have any pictures of molten steel in the debris?

So where did the molten steel come from if the fires were not hot enough to melt steel and were burning out ?

Yes, i have photos and videos. Here is a couple photos for now.

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Thanks for posting the pictures.
My opinion is that the fires were burning underground. The materials that made up the WTC's were all great insulators which would cause an oven like environment. With that type of environment, the fires would burn hotter and longer which could heat the steel up to the point of being red hot.

The initial fires were hot enough to weaken the steel so long burning, insulated fires could have kept it hot or even heated it more.


" My opinion is that fires were buring underground ." How can fire burn uinderground where it is starved of oxygen? Where would the fire come from? If you watch the Towers turn to dust and explode outward on all the films, you see that there are no fires at lower levels whatsoever. Explosions reported, yes. Fires, NO. ALL fires were at the upper levels where the ' planes ' hit and above.

" The materials that made up the Towers were great insulators.." What? ALL furnishings in a building like that are FIRE RETARDANT or approved for high rise buildings. You cannot place office furniture in a Tower without certain certifications..it is NOT a building made up of ' insulators' at all.

"...an oven like environment . " An oven is an enclosed box that has heat continuously applied to it in order to maintain a temperature, correct? Ovens have oxygen easily available, which you do NOT get under a massive pile of rubble, especially with tons of concrete dust everywhere. Ovens have some source of heat being applied to them. WHERE do you claim the heat is comeing from to make the ' oven ' you envision get ' hotter and hotter "? Jet fuel fires were out after the crashes.

The big explosions seen used up almost all of the jet fuel..an hour later when the Towers were exploded the jet fuel was all gone. Only office fires were bring..black smoke showed clearly that the fires remaining far above were not hot at all; all evidence shows that the fires would have been put out within hours or less if they had not been brought down. Gravity CANNOT be used as some kind of excuse for high temps in a rubble pile. A Tower turing to dust is not creating a massive amount of heat, as dispersal insures no mass to react.

So WHAT massive heat source do you think was down there in that pile unders tons of junk and bodies and dust and steel..that could have not only created enough heat to melt steel, but to keep it molten for weeks afterward? What? Where was it coming from? To make things get hotter, you do not place them in an over at a certain temp..you must
RAISE the temp somehow to get it hotter,right? With me so far? SOME heat source HAS to be present to release the energy necesary to account for the molten steel seen. It could not come from above..as any fires under rubble pile would remain hot for a while perhaps, but without some external source to creat MORE heat, sooner or later it would cool.

To create MOLTEN steel at the lower levels, there HAD to be a source of heat so intense that it melted steel and kept it molten for a long period of time. WHAT heat source could you ascribe the molten steel to? It cannot be gravity, thats impossible. It cannot be fires from far above..thats impossible too. They were too cool and too high on the rubble pile as smoking debris to be of any consequence to the lower levels where the molten steels was seen. Simple enough? There is NO known source that can account for that much heat.

Thats why many people believe that some kind of fission device, or small nuke type device, was used to sever the core supports at bedrock and turn them into dust ( see the film of the Spire ) from the sudden million degree temp shot from the bottom up, and also would explain molten steel weeks after the event as well. It would take a mountain of thermate type stuff to cause rivers of molten steel, so a nuke makes more sense.

The Rodriguez story and others makes sense under this scenario as well: The basements blown apart from the BOTTOM up, according to them..with huge machines just GONE..not mangled or torn, but GONE, from sublevels..fires and explosions coming UP the elevator shafts, NOT down from above as some weak apologists try and foist off on the unknowing as fact to try and explain the lobby level damage..almost total destruction at the lobby level and many hurt and killed..from BELOW..not above.

So, there cannot be intense heat unless some source causes that heat to come about, and the cause for that cannot be assumed or explained as easily as you would have imagined. You cannot take a 500 degree fire and increase it to 1000 degrees by simply insulating it well..it doesn't work like that..It would maintain the 500 degrees for a while depending on the level of insulation, and then would cool as air eventually found its way in. There had to be, at some point in time, a heat of many thousands of degrees, all at once, to melt steel and keep it molten. The heat needed to do this could NOT have come about from some fire underground ' getting hotter ', by means of some unknown physics...it HAD to be from a very powerful source indeed.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by neformore
I see a plane hitting a runway at speed.

Well for one, it did not hit the runway at speed, it was remotely glided into the test area.

So do you have photos of aluminum airframes surviving crashes with objects YES or NO ?

It's unlikely that the whole airframe would survive, but depending on various factors, large parts of it may survive.

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