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Originally posted by jfj123
reply to Please explain in detail how these are not good analogies with regard to what happened with the planes and WTC. Thanks.
Originally posted by OrionStars
I am curious as to if some people have investigated the damage small birds (feathers, cartilage, muscle, and skin) can do to commerical jetliners, particularly at high altitude cruising (top) speed.
Exactly what were wind conditions on 9/11, including which direction it was blowing?
Originally posted by ULTIMA1 I have posted information and photos of bird damage to a 767 at takeoff speed. If birds could damage the planes at slow speed the steel in the buildings would have shredded it to piecies. Photos show the ends of the wings barely made it into the buildings.
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Originally posted by jfj123
reply to Please explain in detail how these are not good analogies with regard to what happened with the planes and WTC. Thanks.
1. None of them are planes.
2. None of them were traveling the speed of the planes.
3. None of them have the same structure as the planes.
ETZ....
Can we please stick to facts and evidence about the actual planes instead of analogies ? Or else i have to bring up the F-4 analogy that totally destroys all your analogies.
Originally posted by defcon5
The problem with your post is that bird can damage aircraft windows and skin, but not the harder reinforced parts such as the frame. I have seen some bird strikes in person, and man, are they messy.
Originally posted by defcon5
To be honest though the areas most commonly hit are the raydome, which has no frame, and the leading edges of wings and engines where the frame is sitting further back.
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
I also have a report of a large section of wing sheared off from hitting a single light pole at takeoff speed. Yet the plane at the Pentagon was supposed to have hit 5 light poles.
I am curious as to if some people have investigated the damage small birds (feathers, cartilage, muscle, and skin) can do to commerical jetliners, particularly at high altitude cruising (top) speed.
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
I have posted information and photos of bird damage to a 767 at takeoff speed. If birds could damage the planes at slow speed the steel in the buildings would have shredded it to piecies. Photos show the ends of the wings barely made it into the buildings.
As far as wind i do not think there was much wind, according to the reports i have seen.
Originally posted by OrionStars
Would fuel have spilled out of the wings and down the outside walls of the buildings as steel sliced through those?
Originally posted by OrionStars
Would luggage have fallen out when jagged steel tore through the belly of the fuselage?
Originally posted by OrionStars
Why wasn't there impact plane debris on the outside of the buildings?
Originally posted by OrionStars
The planes, at any speed, were not a smooth cutting titanium blades. They were aluminum alloy skin highly subject to being ripped off in large chunks by steel and landing on the outside of the buildings.
Originally posted by OrionStars
It's odd that in all that debris no mention of plane parts or contents was ever mentitioned as evidence being found under all that rubble. As high as it was alleged those planes entered, plane evidence should have been toward the top of the pulverized debris piles not toward the bottom of either pile.
Originally posted by defcon5
There were a lot of debris found on the other side of the building after having traveled all the way through the structure.
Originally posted by defcon5
The light poles in this instance were the hollow aluminum tubes that we see on typical expressways, which are attached to their base by four shear-bolts that allow the pole to break away easily if hit by a car.
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Yes but you have to remember the plane it still hitting them at 500 mph, even if they are meant to break away their would still be damage from hitting them at that speed.
Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by OrionStars
I don’t have time to look all that stuff up right now, but there are existing pictures of wheels, engine parts, and other stuff laying in the streets around the trade centers. I assume that these parts had to exit the building through an exit hole, as I kind of doubt that they turned 180 degrees and exited back out the entrance hole.
Originally posted by Damocles
to the pole or the plane? if you mean the plane im thinking that close to its target, who cares if the plane got damaged. not like its going to hit a lightpole and crash in the lawn that fast.