How Does Aluminum Cut Steel?

reply to post by ULTIMA1

Yes but even if one was cut by aluminum the answer is yes

reply to post by moonking


Wise call my friend. I second your motion

Originally posted by moonking
Yes but even if one was cut by aluminum the answer is yes

Well i could be real mean and state.

But was it cut by aluminum, or a harder part of the aircraft?

Like the official stary states the landing gear casued the hole in the wall at the Pentagon.



[edit on 29-11-2007 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by moonking
Yes but even if one was cut by aluminum the answer is yes

Well i could be real mean and state.

But was it cut by aluminum, or a harder part of the aircraft?

Like the official stary states the landing gear casued the hole in the wall at the Pentagon.
[edit on 29-11-2007 by ULTIMA1]

No it was aluminum. Refer to the Purdue University video for visual aids as you agree the animation is accurate.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Yes, SOME collumns. Not enough to cause the collapse.

CASE CLOSED.

[edit on 29-11-2007 by ULTIMA1]

Doesn’t matter , the question of the thread is “How Does Aluminum Cut Steel?”
And the answer is by kinetic energy
Like the experimental magnetic powered square plastic bullet that were shot thru solid steel
Like 2 by 4’s that slam thru solid concrete wall in a tornado
Even if only one column was cut by an aluminum aircraft, the answer must be “YES”
but you are right about one thing CASE CLOSED

Listen, the armor-piercing part of a shaped charge is often made of copper.

Same applies to EFP (which really is a projectile)

Copper is a soft metal compared to steel.

Yet, it cuts through it.

Next question.


[edit on 29-11-2007 by buddhasystem]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by moonking
1# that you don’t believe the planes cause the collapse of towers
2# that you don’t believe it was an inside job

1. I have lots of evidence from research that the planes did not casue the collaspe. Also the fires did not casue the collapse.
2. I am looking for the the facts of what actually happened that day, not if it was a inside job or not.

So are you absolutely up in the air on this? Completely complex as to what on earth could have happen?
Or do you have some sort of assemblance of a working theory as to what occurred after the jetliners slammed into the buildings?
Is it your contention that thermite was used to cut further columns as to ensure the final collapse of the trade centers, being done in such a way as to mislead the USA into thinking it was a direct cause of the impact of the jetliners, while having no clue as how and who would have been behind such a diabolical deceitful plan?



[edit on 29-11-2007 by moonking]

Originally posted by jfj123
No it was aluminum. Refer to the Purdue University video for visual aids as you agree the animation is accurate.

Are you sure it was aluminum?

The Purdue animation shows only parts of the plane (the harder parts) hitting the beams since the plane was shredded as soon as it hit the building.

Originally posted by moonking
Or do you have some sort of assemblance of a working theory as to what occurred after the jetliners slammed into the buildings?

Well something else had to be added to casue the buildings to collapse since its been proven the planes and fires did not.

From the evidence of the molten steel in the debris and the molten steel being kept molten for several weeks i do believe that thermite was used.



[edit on 30-11-2007 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jfj123
No it was aluminum. Refer to the Purdue University video for visual aids as you agree the animation is accurate.

Are you sure it was aluminum?

The Purdue animation shows only parts of the plane (the harder parts) hitting the beams since the plane was shredded as soon as it hit the building.

If you look at the video starting at 1:21, and watch closely, you'll see what's left of the right wing, CLEARLY cutting a support column.

Originally posted by jfj123
If you look at the video starting at 1:21, and watch closely, you'll see what's left of the right wing, CLEARLY cutting a support column.

The wing root is a hardened part of the aircraft.

Check out the youtube clip of white navy plane upper left of wtc which shows the impact of wtc2, just before a bright white orb, similar to orbs below black helicopters flying over British crop circle.

Theory, plane laser marked and super heated targets path with a burn across.

GPS guided ? Not likely, they are accurate road maps , but not laser pinpoint accurate.

If a wing had just clipped the buildings and minimal loss of life as in 1993, would there be a PNAC/AIPAC/OPEC war ?

Maybe the Pentagon was to seal the fait of the war, it had to be hit with something and some fireball had to be released in a photo.

But the wing that was hit, was the anti-terror dept. .......hmm.
Rest of the dept. had the sad task of hunting for missing $4 Trillion of Pentagon looting.

Response is that Israeli bought PC's were losing the Trillions in money. Solution tp fix the problem , order newer PC's from Zion

reply to post by vanosman

Theory, plane laser marked and super heated targets path with a burn across.

Sorry, a onboard chemical laser cannot generate enough power to do this across such a huge area and if if one could, the damage from it would be visible on the building prior to the plane impact.

Passengers on 9/11 flights were Raytheon employees ?

Military Sci Fi engineers on flightplans.

Among there skills, top people in the field of guided remote aircraft and gps and laser and satelite guidance, with mobile lab command bus.

Comptroller in Pentagon that lost the Trillions, appointed from Texas a fellow Bush Cronie from good old days. His background is also remote aircraft and Raytheon !

Bush Family eating dinner with Hinckley Family as Reagon was shot, then suspicously given cold blood, which can cause many of the problems which had take him down slow.

Bush 41 eating dinner with Carlye Group of Bin Ladens on 9/11 at Ritz in NY !

Now folks in the underground know what was pulled off, public does not believe in the underground !

Mary was kicked off the DC Capital and GREEK Persephone was replaced "GODDESS OF THE UNDERGROUND"

Founded on Judao Christian Values or Freemasonic Luciferian Values ?

Albert Pike's coffin is 13 blocks @33 degrees from White House.

Pike summons the spirit that Hitler summoned ,"I met with Lucifer, and I was horrified"(Hitler) from Illuminati Vol 1 1995, search the torrent.

Also in that film calculates the tall monument on a strange masonic parrallel and distance from the street owl . 666 ft Monument signifies male phallus and WH oval offices signifies womans virtue. Water that Gump ran to Jenny is sacrifice area of prayer sacride for the ones who send masses of troops into war after war and practice rituals that would make most all faiths horrified !

All ripped off from past, these freaks worship EGYPT, they plank greek epicurian BS in our Jocks and Cheerleaders in colleges. The have and have nots are acceptable too many haves and those that are jet ski surfing on Halliburtions Escapade of plundering and Lockeed & Martins lust for invasion and the earmarks for next big contracts.

Beware of the Military Industrial Complex, well we were not apparently, now where do we go from here ?

Ron Paul ? They will kill him soon as you can say lone nut assassian !
Then what ?

End Game search torrent.
"Millions will die fighting the NWO" (HG Wells)

Panama, the same lasers were beamed on civilians. Proof were the melted boots and flamed bodies. Spontaneous Combustion ? The reports from media were experiments with new toys including stealth and laser.

The beam has intensity control.

The microwave riot controll dish has a knob also. So you would say that that microwave can't melt your face in an Army Spec config ?

The major fireball may have been related to the strange pods below which pilots do not ID as normal .

The ball may have been a cold laser, no heat, just a marker for target as the Monster Truck in "Clear and Present Danger (1994)"
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Ok...wait....what??? I'm sorry but your bullet points are not making sense to me. Could you please explain each point in detail with evidence proving your statements? Thanks

The water jet used to cut steel in the how stuff works link was propelled at high speed and had abrasives in the solution as well as a chemical reaction agent. Salt water can cut steel over time due to chemical reactions. Nevertheless, steel hulled ships ply the seas and do not dissolve and are not cut unless they hit the side of the Richmond Bridge in the San Francisco bay. And that bridge too has had water flowing in and out of the bay for decades and the supports have not been cut. Rain falling from miles above in the sky do not put divots or cuts in cars either...unless frozen.

The engineers and designers of the WTC, with all their knowledge, experience for which they were handsomely paid and praised, designed the WTC to specifically withstand impacts from a 707, the biggest airliner of the day. Were any of them fired or reprimanded for design failure?
I don't know of one. In fact, one of the lead designers was a guy named Leslie Robertson who subsequent to the WTC destruction, was hired by the Chinese to build the tallest building in the world in Shanghai. Quite a vote of confidence that his buildings were designed to do what they were supposed to.

The NIST engineers have changed their story from one of connections breaking and the building pancaking, to connections holding, steel beams sagging 4 feet and then causing the sides of the building to be pulled in.
I wonder what type of confidence level we can assign to enginners that can't tell if a connection held, or not.

Originally posted by questionman
The engineers and designers of the WTC, with all their knowledge, experience for which they were handsomely paid and praised, designed the WTC to specifically withstand impacts from a 707, the biggest airliner of the day.

Do not forget the builidngs were also designed to take a very high wind load.

The plane impacts were nothing compared to the wind loads the buildings could take.

If core columns were cut, the damage would be asymetric and we would not see a symetric failure.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by questionman
The engineers and designers of the WTC, with all their knowledge, experience for which they were handsomely paid and praised, designed the WTC to specifically withstand impacts from a 707, the biggest airliner of the day.

Do not forget the builidngs were also designed to take a very high wind load.

The plane impacts were nothing compared to the wind loads the buildings could take.

Please provide evidence that the plane impact transfered less energy then a wind load on the building.

Also, a 707 didn't hit the buildings, a 767 did.
And the impact alone didn't cause the buildings to fall but the impact + fires did.

Finally,

A water jet cutter is a tool capable of slicing into metal or other materials using a jet of water at high velocity and pressure, or a mixture of water and an abrasive substance.

So a water jet without abrasives, can cut metal. Abrasives greatly increase efficiency however.

[edit on 1-12-2007 by jfj123]