Vampires, the real deal...

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i understand the whole idea that people do not believe in vampires and i also understand how confused people get when you try to explain the whole thing to them . the point that i am trying to make is simple , i do think that vampires are real even though there is a little proof , but if you do not believe in vampires then how can you believe in anything else . if you know who you are then you know what i am talking about . i believe anything is possible . for an example , i am sorry if this upsets you ,but i do have a point when i say why do you think that vampires do not exist when you don't have proof that god is real . i do believe in god but what i am trying to say is that you do not know who wrote the bible , who knows who wrote the bible . well anyways , if you believe in ghost and spirits , but you don't believe in vampires then there is something wrong . if you have any questions please comment on here or my email : [email protected] , thanks

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i understand the whole idea that people do not believe in vampires and i also understand how confused people get when you try to explain the whole thing to them . the point that i am trying to make is simple , i do think that vampires are real even though there is a little proof , but if you do not believe in vampires then how can you believe in anything else . if you know who you are then you know what i am talking about . i believe anything is possible . for an example , i am sorry if this upsets you ,but i do have a point when i say why do you think that vampires do not exist when you don't have proof that god is real . i do believe in god but what i am trying to say is that you do not know who wrote the bible , who knows who wrote the bible . well anyways , if you believe in ghost and spirits , but you don't believe in vampires then there is something wrong . if you have any questions please comment on here or my email : [email protected] , thanks

reply to post by DaleGribble


i understand the whole idea that people do not believe in vampires and i also understand how confused people get when you try to explain the whole thing to them . the point that i am trying to make is simple , i do think that vampires are real even though there is a little proof , but if you do not believe in vampires then how can you believe in anything else . if you know who you are then you know what i am talking about . i believe anything is possible . for an example , i am sorry if this upsets you ,but i do have a point when i say why do you think that vampires do not exist when you don't have proof that god is real . i do believe in god but what i am trying to say is that you do not know who wrote the bible , who knows who wrote the bible . well anyways , if you believe in ghost and spirits , but you don't believe in vampires then there is something wrong . if you have any questions please comment on here or my email : [email protected] , thanks



[edit on 21-11-2007 by vampire goddess]

reply to post by DaleGribble


Actually, the whole Vampire thing started long before Old Vlad went mad.

Vamp Stories began in the Old Testiment with Cain Slaying Abel & then getting punished by exile & forever to walk the earth.

Cain wandered the lands for many many centuries & all the time mankind had started to grow. He was approached by a demon who taught him the ways of Dark magic... yada, yada, yada...

Cain got lonely after a few thousand years & decided he would Sire some new friends. Two Men & two Women to be exact. And he made them promise never to sire new vampires themselves. They gathered men and women from all over & togeather built a great city in the land of Nod.

Centuries passed & the people began to worship Cain & his deciples as gods. Cain did not like this, for he knew he was no god, but the deciples reveled in this worship & challenged Cain.

Cain defeted his deciples & expelled them from Nod, but they had not given up yet. Togeather the four sired 12 Deciples each & each of those twelve sired 12 & so on Untill they had a great army.

They returned to Nod & after a 100 year battle, they finally defeated Cain & slaughtered all those who followed him.

Thy also knew that Cain could never truly die & that was a danger to them. So they cut up Cains body & took his parts to the far corners of the world & hid them in secret places.

Supposedly, to this day Cains Sires & their Bretheren still walk the earth, manipulating the Worlds affairs for their own gains..

Some Canite are said to have returned to their original masters beliefs & that there is war within the Canite Species, while these Followers of Cain search the world for the hidden parts of Cain, in order to re-unite them & make him live once again & help his followerd defeat the kindred once & for all.

Anyway thats the romantisised version of the Canite & where the whole Vampire thing actually started.... waaay back in the Old testiment days.

There are real Canite walking amongst us, but they are not Vamps.. Merely descendants for the guy. Most commonly found in Royal Bloodlines.

[edit on 21-11-2007 by Ironclad]

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i understand the whole idea that people do not believe in vampires and i also understand how confused people get when you try to explain the whole thing to them . the point that i am trying to make is simple , i do think that vampires are real even though there is a little proof , but if you do not believe in vampires then how can you believe in anything else . if you know who you are then you know what i am talking about . i believe anything is possible . for an example , i am sorry if this upsets you ,but i do have a point when i say why do you think that vampires do not exist when you don't have proof that god is real . i do believe in god but what i am trying to say is that you do not know who wrote the bible , who knows who wrote the bible . well anyways , if you believe in ghost and spirits , but you don't believe in vampires then there is something wrong . if you have any questions please comment on here or my email : [email protected] , thanks

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Does a Familiar of the Masqurade now speak among us?

(Sorry to the overseers for the "one-liner" but there is more meaning behind it.)

Originally posted by jackinthebox


If Vampires do exist, I do not believe that Vlad Tepesch was, or is, one of them. The true history of this man is mired in controversey as well, but I tend to believe that he was perhaps one of the most brutal Humans to ever live.

His Romanian surname Drǎculea, is derived from his father's title Dracul, meaning affiliation to and/or descent from "Dracul" (see Vlad II Dracul); the latter was a member of the Order of the Dragon created by Emperor Sigismund. Vlad's family had two factions, the Drăculeşti and the Dăneşti. The word "dracul" means "the Devil" in modern Romanian but in Vlad's day also meant "dragon" or "demon", and derives from the Latin word Draco, also meaning "dragon".

His post-mortem moniker of Ţepeş (Impaler) originated in his preferred method for executing his opponents, impalement — as popularized by medieval Transylvanian pamphlets. In Turkish, he was known as "Kazıklı Bey" IPA: [kɑzɨkˈɫɨ] which means "Impaler Prince". Vlad was referred to as Dracula in a number of documents of his times, mainly the Transylvanian Saxon pamphlets and The Annals of Jan Długosz.

taken from wikipedia, as i still have no idea how to do external quotes yet.. sorry

so as you can see they put his name as Tepes, and dracul from his fathers membership into the house of dragon.. but I could be wrong I guess.. if you would please show me where you recieved the other longer surname, as I research ALL vampyre-ism completely and tirelessly.. and I have yet to see his name as such?

as I know that this does not relate Vlad the third to vampyres, I myself still believe that there are those who have lived as vampyers and will continue to live as long as life goes on.. to show proof, sadly i have none. but there is so much in this world that we do not know, and so many creatures that we have yet to find. could not a vampyre be one of those? maybe the missing persons of the world are in fact just been 'sucked' dry? maybe they are so like you that you do not yet realize that they exist.. just something to ponder.. no real fact tho huh?.. sorry

You also stated that he was the most brutal but yet others see him as a hero as in this from wiki also..

It should be taken into account that Romanian folklore and poetry paints Vlad Ţepeş as a hero, anything but a vampire. His favorite weapon being the stake, coupled with his reputation in his native country as a man who stood up to both foreign and domestic enemies, gives Dracula the virtual opposite symbolism of Bram Stoker's vampire. For this reason, the association of his name with vampirism does not make sense to Romanians. In Romania he is still considered by some to be a "savior" to the people of his country. He is also considered one of the greatest leaders and defenders of Romania and was voted one of "100 Greatest Romanians" in the Mari Români television series aired in 2006.

could you please tell me how to post external references? it would be so much easier and more proper i believe?

Originally posted by DaleGribble
this site along with a few others seem to think he was the first vampire.

www.vladtheimpaler.com...

i dont want to side track anything so ill sit back and watch for a few.

actually the site states that he was NOT a vampyre. but if you look further back there were reports of vampyres LONG before Vlad ever existed..

Originally posted by forestlady
Hey Jackinthe Box:
I'm glad you brought up this topic. The vast majority of people don't understand or know anything about real Vampires. The answer to your question is:
YES! They do exist. There are people who actually need blood to sustain their energy levels. For some reason, regular food doesn't provide what they need. There is a code of sorts, called the Vampire Codex. There is also a vampire named Michelle Ballinger (sp?) who has written several books about Vampires. The one I have read is titled "Vampires in their Own Words". She explains the Vampire Codex, which is a rule that Vampires must ask permission of a person before drinking their blood. The persons who donate their blood are called donors. In this way, everything is up front and honest. It's a fascinating book and will tell you everything you want to know about Vampires. We just did an interview with Ms. Ballinger in the latest issue of my magazine (Green Egg). The interview was done by someone I know, who is a self-proclaimed Vampire.

It says that she is a psyic vamp? sounds interesting, will have to read it.. have you?

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isn't lilith a better biblical candidate for the first vampire ?

Then, in Babylonian myth a deity known for drinking the blood of babies, Lilitu or "Lilith", was discovered. She was reputedly the first wife of Adam according to old Hebrew texts removed from the Old Testament, and left her husband due to his sexual ineptitude, becoming the Queen of Demons and Evil spirits

or mabye the greek monster Lamia ?

Another similar monster was the Greek Lamia, who likewise governed a class of child stealing lamia-demons. Lamia bore the title "child killer" and was feared for her malevolence, like Lilith.[57] She has different conflicting origins and is described as having a human upper body from the waist up and a serpentine body from the waist down.[58](Some depictions of Lamia picture her as having wings and feet of a bird, rather than being half serpent, similar to the earlier reliefs of Greek Sirens and the Lilitu.) One source states simply that she is a daughter of the goddess Hecate. Another that Lamia was subsequently cursed by the goddess Hera to have stillborn children because of her association with Zeus, alternately, Hera slew all of Lamia's children (Except Scylla.) in anger that Lamia slept with her husband, Zeus. The grief caused Lamia to turn into a monster that took revenge on mothers by stealing their children and devouring them.[59]

Lamia had a vicious sexual appetite that matched her cannibalistic appetite for children. She was notorious for being a vampiric spirit and loved sucking men’s blood.[60] Her gift was the "mark of a Sibyl", a gift of second sight. Zeus was said to have given her the gift of sight. However, she was "cursed" to never be able to shut her eyes so that she would forever obsess over her dead children. Taking pity on Lamia, Zeus gave her the ability to take her eyes out and in from her eye sockets.[61]

[edit on 22-11-2007 by syrinx high priest]

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Could you please elaborate on your information of vampires? I am interested to know, about these vampires you are in contact with, if their need for blood is psychological or biological. Also, any clinical information would be helpful.

Originally posted by jackinthebox
Anyone who sais they do not believe in vampires has never bothered to look into the subject, and would probably be to closed-minded to even be on this site. We all know that there are people who like to drink blood, people allergic to sunlight, people who prey on the energy of others, etc. This is not what I intend to discuss here though.

Well possibilities are endless in this bizarre world and vampires certainly would not be surprising to me. I know there are many people who want to be vampires and live a vampiric life in as much as they can- crazy goths and what not.

Now for a life form species which is not human- but rather a vampire- who can say- and while I am not ready to adorn my windows with garlic- I am not a complete cynic either!

There are many strange creatures wandering the world today.

too much hollywood in the characters we call vampires

naturally evolving lifeforms would not constrict their survivability
by becoming such specialists - i.e. drinking only blood for sustinence


evidently 'vampires' do not procreate, they only 'infect' others into
their world of darkness.



i feel that there have been throughout history, abnormal humans
who obsessed on 'blood', became notorious / infamous because
they augmented their own tortured lives with a depraved need
to scare & astonish the country folk by drinking blood...to create a
aura of otherworldlyness about themselves.
Hubris to the extreme!


i also think the immortality angle came about because
'Evil' behavior in a person is not redeemable nor can be turned around.
and the myth grew from the distortions of meanings & metaphors



goth out more often

reply to jackintheboxpost by jackinthebox


i understand half of what you are saying , but i still believe that they can and could exist .

reply to forestlady post by forestlady


i do think that they exist !

Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by Ironclad

 

Does a Familiar of the Masqurade now speak among us?

(Sorry to the overseers for the "one-liner" but there is more meaning behind it.)

Masqurade was taken from Common Lore & Various Points in History.
Though the Stories in that series are fictional as are the characters.
Much in the same way the modern story of Vlad.

Though these are modern romanticized accounts with a little extra thrown in for good measure, Bot stories have their origins in acctual history & lore.

The Legend of Cain is quite real & can be found in full in the old testiment.

Mind you, that said.., I'd just like to add...

There's no such thing as Vampires...!!!

[edit on 25-11-2007 by Ironclad]

[edit on 25-11-2007 by Ironclad]

Originally posted by St Udio
too much hollywood in the characters we call vampires

naturally evolving lifeforms would not constrict their survivability
by becoming such specialists - i.e. drinking only blood for sustinence


evidently 'vampires' do not procreate, they only 'infect' others into
their world of darkness.

Leeches and vampire bats are two creatures, right off the top of my head, that are naturally evolved blood drinkers. I would like someone to bring in some solid evidence that there are Humans who drink blood out of some physiological need, as opposed to psychological.

Perhaps Vampires do procreate in the fashion Human Mammals are most farmiliar with. The "infection" may or may not be passed along to their offspring. But if they are immortal, they may choose not to have mortal offspring so they don't have to see their children die over and over again. Furthermore, the mortal offspring may not even be aware of their true parentage. The romanticised Vampire is certainly notorious for one-night stands.

The term "infection" I view with some disdain in this case. After all, Humans are an infection upon the Earth. Being Human, however, could make one biased to the perpetuation of species that is not sexual in the strictly Mammilian sense. Being able to select a suitable "host" is often a key factor in the perpetuation of many lifeforms. I expect that for a creature like the Vampire, it is a decision made with the utmost consideration. After all, most Vampires are not looking to make competition for themselves. The world certainly does not need an overpopulation of immortals. Vampire reproduction/perpetuation could be talked about even more in depth...

[edit on 25-11-2007 by jackinthebox]

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I am in agreement with you. That is actually why I find the Masqurade so intriguing. It is really an in-depth study in itself. Though I disagree with some of the "findings" it is certainly en extensive basis for a comprehensive undertanding of the subject.

A born again warlock ( male witch ) started to drink blood and soon found that he could live on it along and crackers . and it became all he could eat. as regular food hambergers mashed potatoes vegges he couldent keep down. He had a wife and 2 or3 groupies witches that he drank from. he is or at the time i heard about it 15 years ago he became a born again christian if thats possible. he almost killed one of the witches and with the help of his wife they saved her

I don't see why he couldn't become Christian. Physiological makeup doesn't entirely dictate one's beliefs. If Vampires do exist, they are not inherently evil necessarily. A Vampire who survived the "burning times" of the Middle Ages may despise the Catholic Church, but otherwise be of charitable nature. On the other hand, a Vampire may actually hold esteemed rank in an organized religion, while perpetrating henios crimes.