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Originally posted by mattifikation
Religion is a major factor in "tribal divisions," is it not?
It is a factor, the fact that is not the only factor makes a nonsense of your "religion is bad" whinging- people are bad and will commit bad acts, whether in the name of religion, race, culture, communism etc etc
Allow me to retract that lie for you.
If you're going to make claims that, research them so that you know they are a product of your prejudice and not something that's based in statistical knowledge.
those links refute NOTHING of the sort- people can allocate themselves as one religion or another upon entering prison, it does not make them religious, ie the sort of person who was studying his bible and attending church before going out and committing a crime. I think it is perfectly obvious that people who actively commit to religion as opposed to nominal labels (I live in Northern Ireland by the way, over here, 99% of people allocates themselves on census forms, job applications etc as either Catholic or Protestant, meanwhile, those attending church or chapel and actually studying the bible, would be about a third- simply allocating a label is not "religion)
Listen dude, you leave your wallet open in a church and on the street, do it 100 times and come back and tell me how many times it was handed in to the authorities in both cases, come down from your ivory tower and have a dose of reality
Oh, but religion is a problem by itself. Even when not used for controlling people, it still stops the advancement of our race in the name of unproven superstitions.
absoloute tish and piffle, "religion" does not stop advancement, people do- A large school of thought with Christianity has always been to treat the bible not as a literal scientific book which prevents us discovering more about our world, no, rather it was a guide, with underlying principles- BIblical scholars over a thousand years ago laughed at the notion of Genesis being a literal description of creation, as clearly such a book will never be readable. Your point is further refuted because our gift of self awareness, discovery etc, in religion, is treated as a gift from God and to be cherished- your view is very fascist like and rather stifles the very thing you profess to promote
Fear of death and unimportance, lack of knowledge of the scientific explanations of the universe, denial of the right of pride, and the desire to feel superior are all reasons why religion exists. This means that religion is not a solution to anything, but a method of avoiding reality.
Quite the contrary, it reinforces reality, this is an earthly, physical world with all the joy and horror it brings, and the freedom from the slavery of pride and ego releases the creative juices
Unfortunately for those who wish to be something more than molecules, I can say period.
More nonsense, molecules neither prove or disprove God, if God exists he created the molecules
The best and most irrefutable evidence against God is the fact that humanity predates monotheism by thousands upon thousands of years. The very concept of having just one god did not even emerge until the late Bronze Age. source
That does not refute God- for starters one cannot safely say with any certainty what "beliefs" were held thousands of years ago (there you go with ego and pride supressing reality).
The stories of the Bible are not true because they tell us we have known about God since mankind was created. The Bible is what tells us there is a God, so if the Bible is not true, there is not a God. It's as simple as that... period.
Absoloute infantile interpretation of the Bible- even a cursory glance of Genesis, which isnt literal, shows that God pre dates Man, I mean come on, you profess to be some sort of realist.
Leaving aside that little doozy, you don't have to believe in the Bible to believe in God- very lazy assessment there
[edit on 28-11-2007 by blueorder]
even a cursory glance of Genesis, which isnt literal, shows that God pre dates Man,
Originally posted by Gorman91
Simple proof of God-> All things are forever and therefore(molecular), something in the quantum state, or above the quantum state, is existing to drive this foreverness.
Originally posted by mattifikation
Yes, I'll be out 100 wallets because Christianity teaches that you can sin all you want, and as long as you're sorry for it and you believe in Jesus you can still go to "heaven."
you will be out considerably less times in the church example because those followers of Christ act on his actions (ie do not steal), unlike the criminals who infest our streets who havent the faintest about the Bible or are remotely religious
I see I've really touched a nerve on you. I take it you don't like it when you make up statistics and then somebody asks you to provide a source? Fine. We'll play that game. I'll concede that jail is full of Godless atheists, which must be why they have chapels in all prisons. For all the atheists, right?
pointing out your ego and pretentiousness does not mean my nerve has been touched, I am simply being honest. I am saying that your "stats" have proved nothing, they are merely "labels" people apply on entering jail, along with race, sex etc- if you, for one minute, think that the majority of criminals entering our jails were church going bible scholars then I do have a modicum of pity for your fantasy world view- good luck with that
But in turn, you'll have to concede that most insane asylums are full of people who think they talk to God. And by your own reasoning, I don't even have to back that statement up. I can just say it, and it must be true because... oh, how does it go? Oh yeah, "The stats are self evident." I'll leave the name calling out of the quote for you.
The asylum reference is odd, hearing "voices" perhaps, is one aspect of lunacy, whether from a 20 foot rabbit or a notion of "god".
[QUOTE]Do you see the fallacy of your statement yet? Obviously there's no evidence here that all insane people think they talk to God, and obviously there's no evidence that all prisoners are atheists, so your statement is still an unfounded piece of garbage.
Originally posted by mattifikation
reply to post by blueorder
Since when do you have to be an active Bible reader to be a Christian? I know a ton of people who don't even go to church, but they still believe in God. Whether or not you bother to attend church or read a Bible has nothing at all to do with whether or not you are religious.
At any rate, if church going Christians never did anything bad, there would be no reason for Jesus to exist - they'd be free of sin and would need nobody to save them, would there?
I'm not debating this with you further, go ahead and make your baseless claim again, I won't continue arguing about it. Just realize that repeating a lie over and over again won't make it true.
First of all, Nazi Germany was as much about religion as a "master race." I seem to recall hearing something about 6 million Jewish people.
Second, I never said religion was the only divisive tool used to control people in the world. It is, however, the only one that that has been used since the dawn of written history. It is the only one that those in power can use on anyone, in any nation, at any time.
You preach a logical fallacy by arguing that because religion is not the only problem with mankind, it is not a problem at all. Rape is not the only crime. Should we stop trying to prevent rape from occurring?
I don't plan to address people arguing about what God is, this isn't a thread about semantics. God can be Allah, Jehovah, Jesus, "God" himself, Zeus, or Paris Hilton for all I care. Anything that lies to people to gain control over them is bad and can be done without. Period.