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Originally posted by jpm1602
No, that DOES depress me. Ok, I know this is 'totally' subjective, but what about NDE's? Thousands of people reporting hovering over themselves watching the action as they near death? I HAVE to believe there exists an eternity! I must. If others don't, that's also fine by me. Just don't force down my throat a non belief that I cannot, nor can anyone else can disprove. I guess that's why they call it 'faith'.
Originally posted by gravytrain
Let me throw this question out there for all you athiests. What were you before you were born? Where was your consciousness then? Did it just spring up out of nothing you believe? HAHAHAHA give me one shred of proof that consciousness just springs up out of nothing. You can deny god its all up to you, youll just be born again and again in this physical world. If thats what you want then go right ahead its your life.
Originally posted by mattifikation
I often read comments from Christians along the lines of, "Why are atheists always trying to disprove God to us?" Especially ironic are the ones that say this in threads where Christians are trying to disprove creationism, or where Christians are claiming they have proof that God is real. I would like to explain my answer to that question, but first, let me explain the events and circumstances that lead me to this answer.
I once believed in God. I believed because I was told to, and Christians all around me threatened that I would go to Hell if I did not. Fortunately I came to see that all religions threaten some sort of punishment for disobedience. I thought to myself, "Surely these punishments can't all be true. If I do not follow this religion, I die and go to Hell, but if I do not follow that religion, I can never find inner peace?"
And from there, I became interested in history and social studies. I started paying attention to the wars in the Middle East. Documented accounts of religious wars caught my interest. I learned about witch burnings, crusades, terrorist attacks, and genocides. But I did not blame religion for this, not at first. I blamed the people leading the masses.
But then I came to realize that those leaders needed tools. People do not do what they are told just for the sake of obedience. Tools are required to control them, and religion was the greatest tool of all for that purpose. Take a carpenter's tools and he can only make a pile of wood. So perhaps if we could take the tools away from warlords and imperialists, we can make a peaceful society?
We cannot advance civilization when every time we discover a new advancement, we have to bicker with the Christians about whether or not some 2000 year old book says its acceptable. Stem cell research could save millions of lives (and no, it does not require aborted fetuses.) Cloning and genetic manipulation of livestock could put food on the tables of billions. That is what concerns us, but Christians just get mad that we want to "play God."
We need only drop our religious crutches and stop being afraid to stand on our own feet. Then, we can learn to run free.
Originally posted by Alxandro
You try to disprove God because something traumatic has happened to you and you blame Him/Them for it.
Maybe you, and others like you, got physically or sexually molested as a kid or something, and you can't handle it, but don't blame God. In fact, God can help, you just have to stop thinking of God as one that wears a long white robe, sports a long white beard and wears nice sandals.
The Bible teaches us to live by the Golden Rule, and whether you believe in God or not, what is wrong with that?
Originally posted by greeneyedleo
I also believe science and believe God created the minds involved in science. There are many scientists who are creationists too.
One does not void of the other.
Originally posted by Nohup
Originally posted by jpm1602
Get your point nohup. I guess I was going along the lines of each of us having a continuing conciousness, in what ever form, or whatever place.
No, that's not going to happen. Ever been anesthetized for surgery? You lose consciousness, you wake up hours later with no memory of anything happening to you in the meantime, and no sense of time passing. That unconscious part is what happens when you die, except that it goes on forever, and you don't ever wake up. It's one of those things that neither good nor bad, it's just what it is. Like gravity. No need to feel depressed about it.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
well..science actually does void creationism as it explicitly shows that creationism is a load of malarkey.
you see, the true scientists that believe in creationism think of things like this "i see that all the evidence and that it points to evolution, but i'm going with creationism because that's what i believe in"
this is an explicit denial of reality, and thus insanity.