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posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 09:51 PM
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Summarizing. Japanese are oceon dwellers when it comes to food I believe. Hardest of workers, they spend much of their life -- schooling & working.

I mean, what are the Japanese going to do for food when they fish-it-all -- out?

Dallas




posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 10:23 PM
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Originally posted by West Coast

We are tumbling down a path of our own destruction. And it will be self inflicted. We're superior? Then why are we destroying ourselves? I dont see animals destroying themselves, or there ecosystem etc. No sir, if humans were to fall off the face of the earth, life would go about as business as usual, and in many cases, actually improve with our absence. I disagree with the person you originally responded to. We should have never created those weapons to begin with. there intent is to kill and to kill in mass.

animals have hunted out their own ecosystem throughout the existence of animals on earth. the ones who adapted survived. its a tired and typical recurring theme of animal activists, who state that the planet would be better off without humans... they'd prefer to see a dog poo in your yard than see your husband get in his car and drive to work. weapons represent technology, which humans are adept at developing (weaponry is a tiny facet of tech) what they seem to be unable to grasp is that humans are as natural as any ameoba, hedgehog or giraffe. and fulfilling our potential as sentient beings is our nature and rightly so. they also seem to forget what animals do to each other. it is nature. self hating humans is the craziest people.


We are superior to other animals only because we are deceiving smart beings. If our ecosystem changes in a devastating manner, our superiority goes out the window and we lose. For example, we depend on honey bees to pollinate/cross pollinate, with out them our way of life is changed. Without getting to technical about it, our food supply, which is our very essence of existence changes abruptly, which could have devestating effects.. So what we deem as 'inferior' really isnt, if you look at the bigger picture.


yes, the big bad humans are all evil. boo.

we are superior because we are sentient, a product of natural selection (an ingenious system) and become more and more masters of our realm. our way of life changes constantly. the concept of 'inferior' is a limitation of our language only, it does not imply that the creatures that we depend upon for life are not important. they obviously are. eating honey, dairy, pork chops and other animal products is not a put down or insult. it is our nature. for someone who delights in the wonders of nature, you're very amiss in excluding natures crowning acheivement; humans... not only excluding, but actually railing gainst.

i think this anti human sentiment is responsible for the reasoning of people who love advancing the concept of prevalent human abortions and are the same ones saving the whales and deer... and also all for sparing the life of murders and rapists of humans...

anyone see a pattern there? its all about sticking it to humans... thats the common thread.



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
In discussions like these it becomes painfully obvious to me that we dont even know how intelligent or non-intelligent whales are.

Would their level of intelligence make any difference in if you eat them or not? It would to me.


what if we bred sentient whales that wanted to be eaten? would that be okay then?

this whale insists the we make steaks out of him and that we waste nothing of his body. use his oils to good purpose, his skin for clothing, his bones for art, medicine, whatever...

the plankton the whale eats is probably not crazy about being consumed... does anyone care about the plankton? the tuna? the krill?

nah, theyre not cute



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by The Scud plague.
Well in my humble opinion the "cultural" excuse is bunk. People from all over the world have hunted animals for food since the dark dawn of man. There was nothing wrong with that because back then it was a necessity. They needed to hunt animals for food. In modern times we no longer NEED to kill animals for food yet we still do, because we want to.

we do need to, humans prefer meat. animals are where that comes from. humans are omnivores, yes, but grains so prevalent in society are responsible for fat unhealthy people. our systems turn carbohydrates instantly to sugar, to be stored as fat. everywhere you look cheap breads are everywhere, and sugar, too... its insidious. and vegetarian. vegan, even. and wholly unhealthy. "we're all eating low fat foods! how come we're still fat?"


The "want" has been sugar coated with excuses like cultural reasons, scientific endeavors, religious rights, and a ridiculous slew of others. Animals should not be viewed as a natural resource, but more as natural treasure. The cultural excuse is really a cover-up for the japanese whaling industry to make money.

they make money? no way! hmmm, i wonder how they do that... could it be that a market exists because of a demand for it? whale is healthier than cow and pig i bet. plenty of omega3... healthier than processed wheat and sugar to be sure


Many things that were once okay in certain cultures are now un-acceptable, its called progress. Should we still beat women, hang people for the color of their skin, or kill people in the name of god? Those are all things that could be considered cultural. The world, not just Japan, needs to realize that we do not need to consume everything at the rate we do.

when was beating women ever culturally acceptable? i mean, outside of muslim communities? hanging people for skin color was a very short lived, contemporary thing, compared to human history. killing for god? what about killing for political power? you know, sacrificing unborn humans for gathering a voter base? wheres the god there?

its not the consumption we need to curb, its the production we need to increase. whales need to produce more. thats the dilemma, how do we acheive that? agriculture.


The livestock industry is a waste of good wheat, corn, and other grains, that could be better used to feed the entire world rather than just feeding a bunch of cows, so we can have a couple burgers. Whales are mammals on the planet and deserve a little respect. Whale burgers are not a Japanese tradition, they need to recognize it is not a sustainable resource and there is no good reason to hunt them. Humans want meat, they do not need it. That is my personal opinion, I'm sure many will disagree or be offended, but there it is.

wheat and corn make people fat. chicken, cow pig and turkey do not. humans are first, carnivore. omnivore only out of survival necessity. the veg's i know are one of two types, still fat or anemic and weak.

eating animals is not disrespect. the sacrifice the animal makes to feed us is something that honors the consumer. the only reason whales must be hunted is because no one has figured out how to raise them as livestock.

yet.



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by omnicron
Man, this thread makes me wanna harpoon some asians, or boil alive some asians, or skin alive some asians, or slaughter alive some asians, or slam a large hook at the foreheads of these asians.

Truly, these dolphin eating, cat slaughtering, pangolin eating asians make me sick.
You can't think about not being racist when this kind of animal cruelty is discussed. I really hope Japan and some of these animal torturing countries get what they deserve when the BIG ONE happens.


they dont give you crap about eating tofu, do they?

no one cares about the poor little baby beans slaughtered by the billions for your smug human bashing lifestyle...

to survive, life must acquire the energy of other living things. period.

who is confused by this fundamental fact?



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by mad scientist

And .... last time I checked the Eskimo popualation didn't head half way round the world in commercial fishing boats to hunt. They hunt those whales because it is tradition. The japanese hunt them for commercial gain. They know it is wrong as well which is why they always site their completely bogus " scientific " reasons. They are scum.


asians are the ancestors of the eskimos, and all 'indigenous' american natives.

the tradition started somwhere, and if eskimos posessed the technology to hunt more efficiently, well... guess what they would do.



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by omnicron
So what did they do to her? Nothing. So if you are an Asian, and living in an Asian country, and voting for the same government who don't enforce against violence and senseless killing of animals, you are as pathetic and guilty as the b!tch who stomped the poor cat.

These Asians are guilty. They should be gassed or nuked off the planet like the pest they really are.

[edit on 27-11-2007 by omnicron]


yes, save the animals, slaughter the humans

do you activists actually hear yourself?

so, are you okay with the sensible killing of animals?

in some countries, if it moves, its fair game for the dinner pot

would you make those people change their ways and force tofu and broccoli on them?

maybe force them into vegan re-education camps?

why not? its the next obvious step... lockstep, that is... heil!



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by Jim_Kraken
What's so barbaric about it? I mean, there's evidence that plants think and feel are you going to condemn eating plants? I don't think so. I don't think there's anything fundamentally different from killing a whale than there is from killing a plant.


our vegan militant pals are also conveniently ignorant of the millions of poor, helpless bacterium they slaughter with every breath

i beleive its a smug-induced condition...

not only is sald murder, so is breathing! murderers!



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 11:05 PM
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either we farm whales as suggested by the brilliant sir arthur clarke (who among other things, speculated about artificial satellites years before sputnik) or dump viagara into the ocean and prompt those tasty creatures to get their freak on and make more fillets, er, i mean, uh offspring.



posted on Dec, 1 2007 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by planetfall
animals have hunted out their own ecosystem throughout the existence of animals on earth. the ones who adapted survived. its a tired and typical recurring theme of animal activists, who state that the planet would be better off without humans... they'd prefer to see a dog poo in your yard than see your husband get in his car and drive to work. weapons represent technology, which humans are adept at developing (weaponry is a tiny facet of tech) what they seem to be unable to grasp is that humans are as natural as any ameoba, hedgehog or giraffe. and fulfilling our potential as sentient beings is our nature and rightly so. they also seem to forget what animals do to each other. it is nature. self hating humans is the craziest people.


You really dont get it.. You missed all my points completely. the whole thing that started this debate (or were my responses to) was the inhumane slaughter techniques employed in asian countrys. I like animals. I also am guilty of eating them. I however, have a respect for them and do not think they should suffer a slow, painful, agonizing death just so they will taste better for human consumption.

We humans have a choice, to either work as a benevolent race in making sure current animals do not go the way of the dodo. Or to be just as viscious as we have in the past and watch majestic animals be wiped away from existence completely.

It appears that I, unlike you, see mans potential to act responsibly and to "preserve" all sorts of animal life today so that we may enjoy it for years to come.


yes, the big bad humans are all evil. boo.


Just look at our history. We have done far more harm than good to this planet...all in the name of 'profit' which is exactly what japan is doing by hunting whales that are termed "endangered".


we are superior because we are sentient, a product of natural selection (an ingenious system)


If you believe in such a 'system'.


and become more and more masters of our realm. our way of life changes constantly. the concept of 'inferior' is a limitation of our language only, it does not imply that the creatures that we depend upon for life are not important. they obviously are. eating honey, dairy, pork chops and other animal products is not a put down or insult. it is our nature. for someone who delights in the wonders of nature, you're very amiss in excluding natures crowning acheivement; humans... not only excluding, but actually railing gainst.


Man will never be perfect...It appears that you seem to think some day "we'll get there"..Its not going to happen. There needs to be in place, certain points where we look at what we're doing to ourselves and to our planet. We're destroying it. What happens when its completely gone? What will 'superior' man have accomplished throughout mankind, besides destroying themselves and everything around them?


i think this anti human sentiment is responsible for the reasoning of people who love advancing the concept of prevalent human abortions and are the same ones saving the whales and deer... and also all for sparing the life of murders and rapists of humans...


with all those rapist and murderers out there, it all starts somewhere. And I think it has more to do with todays backwards society in general than anything else.

Now, my initial point was, that killing animals more humanely is needed. And certain stoppage points need be applied so we keep some form of balance. They say by 2050 our oceans will be damn near bare thanks to over fishing and rampant pollution caused solely by us, oh so 'perfect' humans..


anyone see a pattern there? its all about sticking it to humans... thats the common thread.


Because man has the most severe impact on our environment/world today.....Not whales, not deer, not lions, tigers etc...it seems without our greed, waring, polluting, etc. This world would be far better off. do you not agree?

There is a form of balance between the animal kingdom without us. With us, it is severely one sided. At our ever increasing gluttonous pace...someday, the only menu left for man just might be man...


your lame attempts at making a mountain out of a mole hill via my posts, is quite funny, yet predictable..



[edit on 1-12-2007 by West Coast]



posted on Dec, 2 2007 @ 09:21 AM
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The thing about many types of animals that are endangered is that they are not living fossils like some other types of animals. Those animals deserve to continue evolving just as man does. As for humpback whales, they sing songs which have been evolving for eons, passed down from one generation to the next. That is, they have an oral tradition for passing on information to one another. There environment presently does not permit them to evolve a written language. So, because we do not understand what their songs communicate, does that mean that they are not saying anything worthwhile? Anything that would be of great benefit to the future of mankind and the rest of the planet? Because we have the ability to slaughter until nothing is left means that we should? The difference here is that we know what we are doing and we are well aware of the intelligence of many animals. In my view, the burden of humankind is great and heavy. We are responsible not only for ourselves but for others that share this planet. Our sense of duty has not kept pace with the pace of our technological advances. Unfortunately.

On the one hand we worship technology and reward handsomely those who advance it. On the other hand we stick to petrified traditions, cultures, and governmental policies. We are slow to change within ourselves. We choose technology to assist our greed rather than assist our greatest needs. If we are bold enough to consider that we ourselves are not living fossils and are instead continually evolving, then we need to take responsibility for it and ensure the continued evolution of others. That man would destroy that which he needs, or possibly in the future needs, is what is insane. We do not know the purpose of all that is here on Earth, and we do not know our purpose for being here. Our condemnation of ignorance does not warrant the claim of insanity. What is not insane is a human who condemns man for the wrongs he commits. Immediately and on the scale of the long-term such a disposition grows nearer to sanity.



posted on Dec, 2 2007 @ 11:49 AM
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Some more information on humpback whales.


Graceful and magnificent, humpback whales inspire awe in young and old alike. These marine mammals travel great distances to take advantage of the best breeding grounds and feeding spots. North Pacific humpbacks, for example, mate and give birth in Hawaii and then travel to Alaska each summer to feed.

These gentle giants are famous for their singing abilities -- belting out seductive ballads to attract mates or to challenge other would-be suitors. But they also have other talents. Their unique hunting skill, called bubblenet feeding, involves a group of humpbacks working together to capture schools of herring. Each whale has a particular role in the process: One whale swims in a circle while blowing bubbles under a school of herring. When the bubbles rise, the school of herring can not escape and form into a tight ball in the center. Other whales vocalize -- grunting or screaming -- to scare the herring to the surface. The whales then rise with their mouths wide open to capture large amounts of fish.





Hello I'm a humpback whale. I'm very gentile and curious, as well as very intelligent.



Millions of people love to watch me and I love to perform for them.



We care for our babies very much, like human’s family is very important to us.



Some people hunt us.




It's not a fun way to go.




While millions love to watch us, we may have to be more careful now, because some of you like to eat us. If there are less of us around and we don’t want to interact with you anymore don’t take is personally.



posted on Dec, 2 2007 @ 11:59 AM
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My friend was riding the ferry one day to my home, Vashon Island. The ferry captain announced over the intercom that there was a pod or orcas outside. This is a very rare occurrence is this part of Puget Sound these days. The pod had a couple of babies that were very curious. The orcas knew the people on the 300 foot ferry boat were watching them and for about 15 minutes they danced and swam up close to the ferry jumping and doing tricks. Everyone was riveted and when the ferry docked nobody wanted to leave because the orcas were still performing for them. The crew had to force the people to go back to there cars. I though that was such a great story. I ride the ferry everyday to work and one day maybe I will be lucky enough to see such a wonderful event. Just like the rain forest, whales are worth more alive then dead.



posted on Dec, 2 2007 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by West CoastI think japan has a wonderful history, one that is great in tradition..however, the japanese stomp porn...gotta stop... Thats where they take cute little puppies and kittys, and stomp on them...Its very disgusting. Such a rich culture resulting to such disgraceful acts is seriously a waste.



Once again you've shown up to be incorrect, as has been pointed out by another member. It's funny how you can come up with such examples (which end up being inaccurate in any event) yet overlook the fact that cruelty of such nature happens the world over.
The point I make about animal cruelty is that it happens on all continents of the world. Wasn't it not too long ago that some biff NFL player was caught using/training dogs to fight to the death. The weak ones were kicked and hung and starved to "toughen them up"?
He was caught, now imagine the activities that actually go undetected to the relevant authorities.

And do you not think that somewhere in little American suburbia that little punks who's parents don't care what time they come home or where they are, or what they get up to, do not do things like kick and stomp on stray cats and dogs, or pour lighter fluid on them and set them on fire, or tape a firecracker onto the poor little creature's head and set it off?
All things I have heard done before in the past, and will continue to happen from time to time.
And why does this happen?
Because some people get off on doing this, and it is a sad part of behavior that does not deserve to be subjegated to one race or ethnic disposition.

I doubt very much whether you know anything at all about the Japanese, because if you did, then you wouldn't spout on about such things which are false or at best generalized. Think about that my friend.


[edit on 2-12-2007 by Underbelly]



posted on Dec, 2 2007 @ 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by Dallas
Summarizing. Japanese are oceon dwellers when it comes to food I believe. Hardest of workers, they spend much of their life -- schooling & working.

I mean, what are the Japanese going to do for food when they fish-it-all -- out?

Dallas

This will never happen as there harvesting and reproduction of species is top notch...excluding the issue of whales here of course.



posted on Dec, 2 2007 @ 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by jojoKnowsBest
I love the Japanese and don’t dislike them at all; I was just shocked that such a modern country, in many ways more advanced then the U.S.

In my opinion, the Japanese are more advanced than us (Western nations) in many fields. Many technological fields (electronics and telecommunication), general behaviour of society (Japan has the lowest crime rate in the world and they are more orderly than we can ever imagine to be), general health and diet patterns, medical, public transport, general cleanliness of public places, education, and general work ethic and an attitude of getting things done super efficiently.


Originally posted by jojoKnowsBestI eat meat but would happily stop eating beef or pork if it meant helping to save an entire species. Its not like they are giving up eating meat entirely, is eating whale that big a deal? There may be 200,000 Humpback Whales according to the more generous studies but we had millions in the oceans before man started hunting them on a large scale.

The point is though is that if you eat poultry, beef, fish or those cute little lamb, then what is the difference between eating that and whale meat. And as you point out, the Japanese won't be mass culling them to the point of extinction. Man is at the top of the food chain and everything else is below us, including those massive and gentle whales. Now unless you are going to tell me that you (or anyone else really) are going to turn into a vegan, than this argument is really only a hypocritical one.



posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 12:09 PM
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Cows, chickens, and pigs, we have farmed them for centuries and they are sustainable. You can’t farm whales or have hatcheries for whales, they are not sustainable. A lot of fish we eat is farmed; even some of the wild caught fish we eat is farmed, like salmon. We are able to tell the difference in the Pacific Norwest from the native Chinook Salmon, which is endangered, so they are set free when caught.

As I have mentioned before I think Wales are very intelligent. Because of there intelligence and there vast social structure I think they should be left alone so they all can live out there lives. I believe whales to be of the smartest animals in the world and like Apes, African Grey Parrots, Border Collies, and Bottlenose Dolphins, we generally don’t eat them because we respect there high intelligence, among other reasons.

We have demonstrated to the indigenous people in South America that they can make more money harvesting fruit and other natural bounties then slash and burning the Rain Forest for cattle farms. I believe the whales are worth more to us alive then to the Japanese and the few other cultures as food.

I'm originally from New England and I remember seeing whale watch business's all up and down the coast. I bet you more people go on whale watches each year just out of New England that the amount of people who consume whale meat worldwide. Unfortunately the whales are becoming scarce and because of there intelligence they will learn to stay away from those noisy boats that shoot exploding harpoons at them.

So if it came down to it, what is more important whale tourism, or fishing? It may eventually come down to that. I love seafood, especially sushi, but if it came down to it I would give it up for conservation. Trout tastes very much like salmon, crawfish is good as well; don’t forget the strong North Atlantic lobster fishery, they have not declined.



Studies have shown that the inefficiency of the trapping system has inadvertently prevented the lobster population from being overfished. Lobsters can easily escape the trap, and will defend the trap against other lobsters because it is a source of food. The study, conducted at the University of New Hampshire, estimates that only 10% of lobsters that encounter a trap will enter and that only 6% will actually be caught [6].


American lobster


In the United States and Canada, these hatcheries usually raise anadromous fish that are unable to migrate due to the obstruction, particularly salmon and steelhead. In 1889 a cod fish hatchery was erected on an island belonging to Newfoundland and Labrador. It was the largest hatchery in the world at that time and the first in North America. The ornamental fish industry uses fish hatcheries to produce fish for the aquarium fish trade, this has helped to limit the over harvesting of native fish populations both in fresh and salt water ecosystems.


Hatchery

We may not have to give up seafood but we may have to limit ourselves, and if that is what it takes to keep our oceans teaming with life its fine by me.



posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by Underbelly
Once again you've shown up to be incorrect,


How so?


Wasn't it not too long ago that some biff NFL player was caught using/training dogs to fight to the death. The weak ones were kicked and hung and starved to "toughen them up"?
He was caught, now imagine the activities that actually go undetected to the relevant authorities.


He was caught and has been stripped of his title. His life is over as an NFL star. His team went after his 20 million dollar signing bonus. He could face up to 6 years in a federal state prison because of his crime. That is still a far worse punishment than the women who crushed the small kitten received.


And do you not think that somewhere in little American suburbia that little punks who's parents don't care what time they come home or where they are, or what they get up to, do not do things like kick and stomp on stray cats and dogs, or pour lighter fluid on them and set them on fire, or tape a firecracker onto the poor little creature's head and set it off?
All things I have heard done before in the past, and will continue to happen from time to time.


Does it happen? Im sure, is it more acceptable here by the general populace then it is other places...nope..


And why does this happen?
Because some people get off on doing this, and it is a sad part of behavior that does not deserve to be subjegated to one race or ethnic disposition.


which was somthing I have already pointed out...

Asian ppl in general seem to care far less about animals..then say americans? That is my opinion through many observations, and you will not change my mind by misspelling big words from which you do not know the full meaning of.


Asians are not alone. It is far worse in Africa.. But since it was the asians that was the topic....


I doubt very much whether you know anything at all about the Japanese, because if you did, then you wouldn't spout on about such things which are false or at best generalized. Think about that my friend.



Whats false? That the japanese use big hooks to hunt and kill dolphins. you can also find videos of this on youtube. (of them actually killing the animals) I should also point out, that the animal activist that were responsible for the above footage were american animal activists....


I know more about the japanese than you probably do. That is why i cannot possibly comprehend why the japanese would resort to such horrific acts


[edit on 3-12-2007 by West Coast]



posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by Underbelly
In my opinion,


are we to ridicule you now for stating your opinion?


the Japanese are more advanced than us (Western nations)
in many fields.


If by 'us' you mean England, yes.


Many technological fields (electronics and telecommunication), general behaviour of society (Japan has the lowest crime rate in the world and they are more orderly than we can ever imagine to be),


The US is actually more advanced technologically speaking. The US itself accounts for 40% of the worlds spending on R&D, and as it is the US who has the most patents out, this is a small show of just how dominate the US is in that field. The EU actually spends more than Japan on R&D, as well as china (though chinas R&D mostly goes into toy designs and such, rather than hitech) But as it is harder to replace said infrastructure for a populace that is over 300 million, with such a massive landmass, it is much harder to integrate technological "break throughs" (for lack of better word) to the general populace fast enough. Crime rate is much higher in the US due to a population that is some odd 300 million that can wield guns due to their second amendment.

Japan, however does not have the lowest crime rate...The corrupt police in japan have alot to do with japans low crime rate, however they do not have the lowest. I believe that is iceland, or norway.


In addition to beating of suspects, sleep deprivation to achieve confessions, and common torture of arrestees, the article describes a Japanese criminal justice system with virtually no bail, strip searches for traffic violations, and a conviction rate of 98% -- about that of Stalinist USSR. In contrast, of 12,615 complaints of torture and abuse filed against police over the last 40 years, only 15 cases were tried, and only half of that 15 resulted in punishment for police officers.
www.totse.com...


The low "crime-rate" is artificially low due to the fact that the japanese citizens dont want the crap beat out of them by their own police...now if you consider that to be acceptable or ideal then so be it...I however do not wish to be beaten and stripped search just for a traffic violations etc.


general health and diet patterns, medical, public transport, general cleanliness of public places, education, and general work ethic and an attitude of getting things done super efficiently.


Sure, japan believes in herbal medicine over corporate medical scandals that plague the US. I happen to think japan is right in regards to that. Cleanliness...sure... but anymore so then who? Education arguably... However 17 of the worlds top 20 university's are located in the US, not japan.

Also, the average japanese citizen works less then the average american...



The point is though is that if you eat poultry, beef, fish or those cute little lamb, then what is the difference between eating that and whale meat. And as you point out, the Japanese won't be mass culling them to the point of extinction. Man is at the top of the food chain and everything else is below us, including those massive and gentle whales. Now unless you are going to tell me that you (or anyone else really) are going to turn into a vegan, than this argument is really only a hypocritical one.


If you can farm it, (even though that has its moral backdrop) you can sustain it. You cannot do that with whales as Mr. Jojo put it.

I am more concerned with the Japanese starting a trend...Thats where we will have a major problem. Its how it has started in the past, a trend gets set, and we exhaust said food supply to the point where its near gone, and takes decades to recover. Also the way these majestic animals suffer at the hands of the japanese is quite disturbing...



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posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 01:18 PM
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I guess they have never seen Star Trek 4.

To hunt a species to it's extinction, is illogical. Period.



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