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Originally posted by West Coast
We are tumbling down a path of our own destruction. And it will be self inflicted. We're superior? Then why are we destroying ourselves? I dont see animals destroying themselves, or there ecosystem etc. No sir, if humans were to fall off the face of the earth, life would go about as business as usual, and in many cases, actually improve with our absence. I disagree with the person you originally responded to. We should have never created those weapons to begin with. there intent is to kill and to kill in mass.
We are superior to other animals only because we are deceiving smart beings. If our ecosystem changes in a devastating manner, our superiority goes out the window and we lose. For example, we depend on honey bees to pollinate/cross pollinate, with out them our way of life is changed. Without getting to technical about it, our food supply, which is our very essence of existence changes abruptly, which could have devestating effects.. So what we deem as 'inferior' really isnt, if you look at the bigger picture.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
In discussions like these it becomes painfully obvious to me that we dont even know how intelligent or non-intelligent whales are.
Would their level of intelligence make any difference in if you eat them or not? It would to me.
Originally posted by The Scud plague.
Well in my humble opinion the "cultural" excuse is bunk. People from all over the world have hunted animals for food since the dark dawn of man. There was nothing wrong with that because back then it was a necessity. They needed to hunt animals for food. In modern times we no longer NEED to kill animals for food yet we still do, because we want to.
The "want" has been sugar coated with excuses like cultural reasons, scientific endeavors, religious rights, and a ridiculous slew of others. Animals should not be viewed as a natural resource, but more as natural treasure. The cultural excuse is really a cover-up for the japanese whaling industry to make money.
Many things that were once okay in certain cultures are now un-acceptable, its called progress. Should we still beat women, hang people for the color of their skin, or kill people in the name of god? Those are all things that could be considered cultural. The world, not just Japan, needs to realize that we do not need to consume everything at the rate we do.
The livestock industry is a waste of good wheat, corn, and other grains, that could be better used to feed the entire world rather than just feeding a bunch of cows, so we can have a couple burgers. Whales are mammals on the planet and deserve a little respect. Whale burgers are not a Japanese tradition, they need to recognize it is not a sustainable resource and there is no good reason to hunt them. Humans want meat, they do not need it. That is my personal opinion, I'm sure many will disagree or be offended, but there it is.
Originally posted by omnicron
Man, this thread makes me wanna harpoon some asians, or boil alive some asians, or skin alive some asians, or slaughter alive some asians, or slam a large hook at the foreheads of these asians.
Truly, these dolphin eating, cat slaughtering, pangolin eating asians make me sick. You can't think about not being racist when this kind of animal cruelty is discussed. I really hope Japan and some of these animal torturing countries get what they deserve when the BIG ONE happens.
Originally posted by mad scientist
And .... last time I checked the Eskimo popualation didn't head half way round the world in commercial fishing boats to hunt. They hunt those whales because it is tradition. The japanese hunt them for commercial gain. They know it is wrong as well which is why they always site their completely bogus " scientific " reasons. They are scum.
Originally posted by omnicron
So what did they do to her? Nothing. So if you are an Asian, and living in an Asian country, and voting for the same government who don't enforce against violence and senseless killing of animals, you are as pathetic and guilty as the b!tch who stomped the poor cat.
These Asians are guilty. They should be gassed or nuked off the planet like the pest they really are.
[edit on 27-11-2007 by omnicron]
Originally posted by Jim_Kraken
What's so barbaric about it? I mean, there's evidence that plants think and feel are you going to condemn eating plants? I don't think so. I don't think there's anything fundamentally different from killing a whale than there is from killing a plant.
Originally posted by planetfall
animals have hunted out their own ecosystem throughout the existence of animals on earth. the ones who adapted survived. its a tired and typical recurring theme of animal activists, who state that the planet would be better off without humans... they'd prefer to see a dog poo in your yard than see your husband get in his car and drive to work. weapons represent technology, which humans are adept at developing (weaponry is a tiny facet of tech) what they seem to be unable to grasp is that humans are as natural as any ameoba, hedgehog or giraffe. and fulfilling our potential as sentient beings is our nature and rightly so. they also seem to forget what animals do to each other. it is nature. self hating humans is the craziest people.
yes, the big bad humans are all evil. boo.
we are superior because we are sentient, a product of natural selection (an ingenious system)
and become more and more masters of our realm. our way of life changes constantly. the concept of 'inferior' is a limitation of our language only, it does not imply that the creatures that we depend upon for life are not important. they obviously are. eating honey, dairy, pork chops and other animal products is not a put down or insult. it is our nature. for someone who delights in the wonders of nature, you're very amiss in excluding natures crowning acheivement; humans... not only excluding, but actually railing gainst.
i think this anti human sentiment is responsible for the reasoning of people who love advancing the concept of prevalent human abortions and are the same ones saving the whales and deer... and also all for sparing the life of murders and rapists of humans...
anyone see a pattern there? its all about sticking it to humans... thats the common thread.
Graceful and magnificent, humpback whales inspire awe in young and old alike. These marine mammals travel great distances to take advantage of the best breeding grounds and feeding spots. North Pacific humpbacks, for example, mate and give birth in Hawaii and then travel to Alaska each summer to feed.
These gentle giants are famous for their singing abilities -- belting out seductive ballads to attract mates or to challenge other would-be suitors. But they also have other talents. Their unique hunting skill, called bubblenet feeding, involves a group of humpbacks working together to capture schools of herring. Each whale has a particular role in the process: One whale swims in a circle while blowing bubbles under a school of herring. When the bubbles rise, the school of herring can not escape and form into a tight ball in the center. Other whales vocalize -- grunting or screaming -- to scare the herring to the surface. The whales then rise with their mouths wide open to capture large amounts of fish.
Originally posted by West CoastI think japan has a wonderful history, one that is great in tradition..however, the japanese stomp porn...gotta stop... Thats where they take cute little puppies and kittys, and stomp on them...Its very disgusting. Such a rich culture resulting to such disgraceful acts is seriously a waste.
Originally posted by Dallas
Summarizing. Japanese are oceon dwellers when it comes to food I believe. Hardest of workers, they spend much of their life -- schooling & working.
I mean, what are the Japanese going to do for food when they fish-it-all -- out?
Originally posted by jojoKnowsBest
I love the Japanese and don’t dislike them at all; I was just shocked that such a modern country, in many ways more advanced then the U.S.
Originally posted by jojoKnowsBestI eat meat but would happily stop eating beef or pork if it meant helping to save an entire species. Its not like they are giving up eating meat entirely, is eating whale that big a deal? There may be 200,000 Humpback Whales according to the more generous studies but we had millions in the oceans before man started hunting them on a large scale.
Studies have shown that the inefficiency of the trapping system has inadvertently prevented the lobster population from being overfished. Lobsters can easily escape the trap, and will defend the trap against other lobsters because it is a source of food. The study, conducted at the University of New Hampshire, estimates that only 10% of lobsters that encounter a trap will enter and that only 6% will actually be caught .
In the United States and Canada, these hatcheries usually raise anadromous fish that are unable to migrate due to the obstruction, particularly salmon and steelhead. In 1889 a cod fish hatchery was erected on an island belonging to Newfoundland and Labrador. It was the largest hatchery in the world at that time and the first in North America. The ornamental fish industry uses fish hatcheries to produce fish for the aquarium fish trade, this has helped to limit the over harvesting of native fish populations both in fresh and salt water ecosystems.
Originally posted by Underbelly
Once again you've shown up to be incorrect,
Wasn't it not too long ago that some biff NFL player was caught using/training dogs to fight to the death. The weak ones were kicked and hung and starved to "toughen them up"?
He was caught, now imagine the activities that actually go undetected to the relevant authorities.
And do you not think that somewhere in little American suburbia that little punks who's parents don't care what time they come home or where they are, or what they get up to, do not do things like kick and stomp on stray cats and dogs, or pour lighter fluid on them and set them on fire, or tape a firecracker onto the poor little creature's head and set it off?
All things I have heard done before in the past, and will continue to happen from time to time.
And why does this happen?
Because some people get off on doing this, and it is a sad part of behavior that does not deserve to be subjegated to one race or ethnic disposition.
I doubt very much whether you know anything at all about the Japanese, because if you did, then you wouldn't spout on about such things which are false or at best generalized. Think about that my friend.
Originally posted by Underbelly
In my opinion,
the Japanese are more advanced than us (Western nations)
in many fields.
Many technological fields (electronics and telecommunication), general behaviour of society (Japan has the lowest crime rate in the world and they are more orderly than we can ever imagine to be),
In addition to beating of suspects, sleep deprivation to achieve confessions, and common torture of arrestees, the article describes a Japanese criminal justice system with virtually no bail, strip searches for traffic violations, and a conviction rate of 98% -- about that of Stalinist USSR. In contrast, of 12,615 complaints of torture and abuse filed against police over the last 40 years, only 15 cases were tried, and only half of that 15 resulted in punishment for police officers.
general health and diet patterns, medical, public transport, general cleanliness of public places, education, and general work ethic and an attitude of getting things done super efficiently.
The point is though is that if you eat poultry, beef, fish or those cute little lamb, then what is the difference between eating that and whale meat. And as you point out, the Japanese won't be mass culling them to the point of extinction. Man is at the top of the food chain and everything else is below us, including those massive and gentle whales. Now unless you are going to tell me that you (or anyone else really) are going to turn into a vegan, than this argument is really only a hypocritical one.