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Japan hunting protected humpback whales!!!

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posted on Nov, 26 2007 @ 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by West Coast
I think japan has a wonderful history, one that is great in tradition..however, the japanese stomp porn...gotta stop... Thats where they take cute little puppies and kittys, and stomp on them...Its very disgusting. Such a rich culture resulting to such disgraceful acts is seriously a waste.


Ok, I`ve been here for years, and that`s a new one on me. I`ve never ever heard of that. I`m tempted to say you might be on to an urban myth with that one.


Edit: On a rather disturbing google search, I did find a few comments on a story (now a dead link though) about a man in Saitama who killed his cat and posted the pictures on the internet. He was arrested and jailed for the crime. Reminds me of the Canadian kids who skinned a cat alive for an art school project at OCAD a few years ago.

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posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 12:59 PM
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I dont think you quite understand what japanese stomp porn is. It is well known. It is where an attractive asian women takes said kitten/puppy and proceeds to repeatedly stomp on the little animal with high heels.

There are pictures as well as videos floating all over the net.



posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by omnicron
Man, this thread makes me wanna harpoon some asians, or boil alive some asians, or skin alive some asians, or slaughter alive some asians, or slam a large hook at the foreheads of these asians.

Truly, these dolphin eating, cat slaughtering, pangolin eating asians make me sick.
You can't think about not being racist when this kind of animal cruelty is discussed. I really hope Japan and some of these animal torturing countries get what they deserve when the BIG ONE happens.


Exactly my point omnicron- but you may get labeled by some as a racist! Can you believe it!!!! People are that narrow-minded which renders them unable to read between the line. This forces us to speak up for the animals as enlightened beings at the top of the food chain!

And lets not forget the Phillipino's who have introduced the Japanese and Chinese as well as Koreans who eat monkey brains while the poor primate is still alive- also a big treat for many middle eastern countries as well.

I say nuke the lot of them! And what in the hell is trolling anyway- are we here to express our feelings and opinions or not?

Every culture has its good points and bad points- we are merely discussing the bad points here- this doesn't mean that they get good points which erase bad points. Talk about immature and rationale.

Character defects are character defects. And if anyone believes that Japan is a friend to the U.S. well, you are out of your friggin' minds! They are just buying time playing the nice guy. Wait and see what happens.

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posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by West Coast
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I dont think you quite understand what japanese stomp porn is. It is well known. It is where an attractive asian women takes said kitten/puppy and proceeds to repeatedly stomp on the little animal with high heels.

There are pictures as well as videos floating all over the net.


That`s been long identified as a Chinese woman, in a Chinese made video.

www.dnaindia.com...



posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 07:29 PM
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So what did they do to her? Nothing. So if you are an Asian, and living in an Asian country, and voting for the same government who don't enforce against violence and senseless killing of animals, you are as pathetic and guilty as the b!tch who stomped the poor cat.

These Asians are guilty. They should be gassed or nuked off the planet like the pest they really are.

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posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by omnicron
So what did they do to her? Nothing. So if you are an Asian, and living in an Asian country, and voting for the same government who don't enforce against violence and senseless killing of animals, you are as pathetic and guilty as the b!tch who stomped the poor cat.

These Asians are guilty. They should be gassed or nuked off the planet like the pest they really are.

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Great, another American unaware of the fact that Asia is a continent, not a country.

I`m seeing on CNN that some yank drowned her newborn baby in a toilet. I guess that means every single American should be rounded up and gassed. Canadians too - get rid of that lot. They share the same continent, so they`re just as guilty - by your logic. And let`s castrate all the French and hang all the Germans and Nuke the UK and poison the water of every european town, because they all share the same skin colour.



posted on Nov, 28 2007 @ 12:00 AM
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I don’t agree with the racist sentiment on this post and I feel my little fishing story has only contributed. Can we look at the way other cultures treat animals without writing off entire ethnicities? I love the Japanese and don’t dislike them at all; I was just shocked that such a modern country, in many ways more advanced then the U.S., could do something as barbaric as hunting whales. How would we act if our own government wanted to kill thousands of whales for scientific research? It would never happen because we love animals to much in the U.S... Who has the most pets per captia, pet magazines, pet health insurance, pet lojacks, and pet stores in the world? Who has dog friendly bars (one in Seattle), The Dog Whisperer, Petsmart, Petco, dozens of pet related magazine, and many other animal and pet TV shows? I would bet it’s the U.S. I think our love for animals is a good thing and we can learn a lot about life and ourselves from them. I eat meat but would happily stop eating beef or pork if it meant helping to save an entire species. Its not like they are giving up eating meat entirely, is eating whale that big a deal? There may be 200,000 Humpback Whales according to the more generous studies but we had millions in the oceans before man started hunting them on a large scale. The Japanese may be more ahead of us in telecommunications but they are not so in the care of some of the worlds greatest natural treasures. We had a time where you could go out into the ocean and it was teaming with whales, now you are lucky to see one if you pay to go on a whale watch.



posted on Nov, 28 2007 @ 12:21 AM
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What's so barbaric about it? I mean, there's evidence that plants think and feel are you going to condemn eating plants? I don't think so. I don't think there's anything fundamentally different from killing a whale than there is from killing a plant.



posted on Nov, 28 2007 @ 07:49 PM
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You are beautiful in your passions. I am hoping to become less emotional when discussing issues like this. Animals being skinned alive because they taste better was something I did not know about which only serves to confirm my angry post earlier.

I do not know if this is a cultural flaw or a human flaw on their part- but it has to stop. If we cannot appeal to cruel people and hold them accountable for their actions regardless of culture, race, or survival- then we will never know mercy or growth as a civilized society.

There is no reason to kill or farm animals for food. Humans can survive and thrive on a non-animal diet. Going from omnivore to herbivore is a slow process and I am getting better at it. My cooking/preparation skills have greatly improved by switching to a raw food diet- but the change over is taking about 18 months so my body does not go into shock like the last time.

One interesting side effect for the new diet is I am less aggressive and I enjoy more energy. When I think of a great steak or mouth watering veal- I look at my dog and think about what you said earlier! I have also begun to fix him rice and carrots which he seems to enjoy as much as meat.

I have made some real progress since participating in this thread about Whaling! I hope to enjoy a face free diet within the next six months and your post has really inspired me to take the necessary leap of faith toward discipline.

Thanks!



posted on Nov, 28 2007 @ 08:18 PM
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Yer know, I just want to know what they Japanese have planned for when the Whales are gone.

And when they have fished out all their local waters (which is very very close to happening).

As specially since seafood is the main diet of 90% of Japan's population.

Think they'd be brasen enough to demand other countries open up their waters bor the Japan to rape...


Think thayd demand the last living whales in captivity to be handed over so they can have one last banquet on them



posted on Nov, 28 2007 @ 11:31 PM
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Originally posted by Jim_Kraken
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What's so barbaric about it? I mean, there's evidence that plants think and feel are you going to condemn eating plants? I don't think so. I don't think there's anything fundamentally different from killing a whale than there is from killing a plant.


I see your point and one could also say a pig is just as smart as a dog, so what is the difference between one eating a dog? Our culture does not find it acceptable to eat dogs or cats and whales, among many other creatures. Why can’t a restaurant in the U.S. legally serve cat or dog? The French say hoarse meat is delicious, so why can’t I find any in the U.S.? I may not agree with our foreign policy but I do agree with the many laws our country has to protect animals. Do they have animal cops in Japan? I can’t tell you why I don’t have a problem eating pigs and cows while I would a dog. I love artichokes and eat up to four or five a week. They taste great with lemon and sweet cream butter; they also look beautiful when they grow. If they really can think or feel that would be a shame. I certainly would not let myself starve to death, but if artichokes became endangered I would not have a problem not eating them. I look at whales as higher entities then plants.


Did you know a sperm whale can dive up to 3000 feet for two hours, hunting giant squid up to 50 feet in length, with razor sharp beaks and tooth lined suction cups? They have skin up to 14 inches thick, the thickest skin on any living creature, yet they have massive scars from under sea battles with these jet propelled, eight armed leviathans. Did you know blue whales, some of the largest living creatures on earth, swim so fast that they can really only be filmed by air because few boats can keep up with them. Have you seen the way a mother whale protects its calf against a pack of orcas, fighting them off four hours? The orcas try to drown the baby, so the mother does its best to keep her baby on her back. It’s about a 50/50 shot if the calf makes it and if the orcas do succeed they only eat the tongue. Some scientists think they hunt whale calves for sport and the tongue is like a trophy. I'm happy to announce the J-Pod has given birth to a baby orca, near my island home, Vashon. Orcas have been observed to show mercy, after a massive seal hunt, some orca pods have been observed gently brining the last one back to shore and setting it free. Did you also know dolphins engage in sex for pleasure? Behavior not unlike a human. If any veggie could perform such amazing feats I would stop eating eat and look down upon anyone else who does. A tomato may be as smart as Albert Einstein, but unless it can find a way to communicate with me I will have a hard time relating to it like I do a whale.



posted on Nov, 29 2007 @ 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by Ironclad
Yer know, I just want to know what they Japanese have planned for when the Whales are gone.



ok.

let`s do some math.

if we`re talking about the humpbacks here, it would take 600 years, given the lowest estimate of humpbacks (30,000), a continued quota of 50 (this year`s target) and the cooperation of the humpbacks to not have sex for the next six centuries to become extinct.

If we are talking about southern minkes, at an average annual catch of 197 per year over the last decade, it will take 3,807 years to wipe out the stock - again, providing the whales live that long without reproducing - based on the International Whaling Comission`s estimate of 750,000.

Any way you want to look at the numbers - the fact is that Japan`s whaling is sustainable, highly planned, highly managed, and more tightly supervised than ANY other marine-resource based industry in the history of the planet. Period.

The Japanese are LIGHT YEARS beyond Canada (for example) with regard to proper management of marine resources, and as far as the Yanks go - you`ve mismanaged your own stocks to the point that you`re now importing just about all the fish you eat.



posted on Nov, 29 2007 @ 10:23 PM
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It's interesting that you talk about whales eating squid...I don't think it's that fun for the squid to be eaten. My point is this...unless you are a plant, living requires killing something else. And even a lot of plants indirectly kill other plants by taking their sunlight. Therefore, I don't see anything inherently cruel with killing another organism for food. Yes, it is true that whales are magnificent animals...but does this necessarily mean that we can't hunt them if we do it responsibly? The Japanese only want to kill fifty humpbacks out of a population estimated to be in the tens of thousands, possibly even 100,000 or more. Personally, I cannot see how a controlled hunt such as this could endanger the future of the species and I do not think any of us have the right to condemn the Japanese for doing this.



posted on Nov, 29 2007 @ 10:51 PM
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Maybe 50 whales won’t do any damage to the population but its still 50 whales to many for me. I'm sure it’s not fun for the squid either, I have seen a sperm whale tooth and it’s massive. I can’t tell you why I think it’s wrong it just is to me. I hold whales in very high regard; they are sacred to me, like living jewels. I also think they are some of the most highly evolved creatures on Earth, I think they have earned the right to live undisturbed. They are A-list movie stars in the animal kingdom, and like the real deal they should get VIP treatment.



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 12:45 AM
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While I do not agree with your opinion, I respect it, although I would like to add that hunting these creatures may well give the Japanese whalers a great sense of pride. Whaling is an old Japanese tradition and furthermore I do not think the Japanese whalers view these awesome creatures with disrespect...if they did and slaughtered them wantonly, they'd be out of a job quite soon.



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 10:24 AM
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I found some info on Wiki, it’s pretty interesting.



Starting in November 2007, Japan is planning to kill 50 Humpback Whales a year in the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary under its JARPA-II research program. The announcement sparked global protests[26].

In New Zealand, protests have come from Maori and Pacific community leaders. Whales hold a significant place in the tradition and culture of many Pacific countries, according to Melino Maka, chairman of the Tongan Advisory Council. "We have a spiritual connection with our whales in our waters." he said.

Protests occurred in 20 centres around Australia as well as Tonga. Many whales known to locals and tourism operators in Australian waters were born after whaling finished, so around humans they're benign. Japan's resumption of whaling may cause the remaining animals to become nervous, agitated or belligerent around humans and vessels. It is feared this will damage tourism. Whale watching is worth an estimated $260 million in Australia. The Australian government has been vocal in its opposition to whaling, but has been criticized for not taking legal action against it.[27] In the lead up to the Federal election, the Australian shadow environment minister, Peter Garrett, has announced a policy whereby Australian navy ships would intercept and board whaling vessels .

Anti-whaling commercials with the slogan "Tell Japan We'll Keep the Ban", narrated by Sir Trevor McDonald, were launched in the Caribbean by Lord Ashcroft, the deputy chairman of the Conservative Party. The Antiguan and Dominican governments have blocked the ad from being shown on their state owned channels, as has the MTV's Tempo network across the Caribbean. The ad is being broadcast in Antigua & Barbuda, Dominica, Grenada, Saint Kitts & Nevis, Saint Lucia and Saint Vincent & the Grenadines.[28]

There are only around 2,000 humpbacks in the entire South Pacific. The local populations are critically endangered in Fiji and Samoa. Whaling may also cause naturally isolated populations to mix, reducing distinct genetic groups.



Humpback Whale



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 11:16 AM
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Sooo...are we to end an over four-hundred year old tradition (Japanese whaling) because of tourism? I hope not. I think environmentalists need to have more respect for long-established traditions and how people are responsibly making a living.



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by Jim_Kraken
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Sooo...are we to end an over four-hundred year old tradition (Japanese whaling) because of tourism? I hope not. I think environmentalists need to have more respect for long-established traditions and how people are responsibly making a living.


Tradition is an excuse for the continuation of human barbarism that currently is destroying our world as we speak. The whales are unfortunate enough to not have a say on this matter. Its good to see a few ppl stand up in defence of animals in general and be their voice. there is no quick way to kill a whale. It will suffer a long slow death. the "long established tradition" excuse doesn't fly with me...



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by dk3000Okay okay- you are adorable- but what in the hell are we supposed to sustain ourselves on? I have done the vegan thingy- and it was terrific. Then my adorable dog eats meat so the quagmire begins as he is a far more enlightened spirit than I. Surely we must find a more human way to consume.


yeah, people forget, that animals eat animals, and they'd eat us, too. and if we werent supposed to eat 'em, how come they're so yum?



As for whales- all nutritional value can be found in numerous other forms both synthetic and non synthetic- so we need not spear our health over the concerns of these fabulous and wondrous mammals.


yes, but i bet whatever that is, it doesnt taste like whale... i adore cows, i am looking to buy a miniature cow for a pet (so cute) who i wouldnt eat, but boy i sure love the occasional steak, burger and ribs. i do feel bad and i am honored by the sacrifice my dinner has made for me.




All make-up and other bio elements after survival are concerned- these A$ian A$$holes have no excuse for what they are doing to i refer you back to my original post. I seriously doubt you watched the entire video via the link that I provided.


i've seen videos like it, made to shock and shame carnivores into slaughtering millions of innocent vegetables, who are also living things.

salad is also murder, people... killing living things for your selfish apetite... tsk!



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 09:44 PM
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I would not say anything if it was out of starvation but the Japanese are hardly starving. Cultural context is not enough. Check out the Japanese on Youtube slaughtering huge numbers of dolphins for consumption. They eat sea cucumbers which are basically sea turds.



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