Ga. Boys Ages 8 and 9 Charged With Rape, page 2
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reply posted on 19-11-2007 @ 04:07 PM by section8citizen
Originally posted by Vasa Croe
Either way this is inexcusable and these boys should be punished as harshly as a typical sex-offender would be.


Based on what evidence? How are you so sure that what you are being told actually happened?

I know if this happened to my little girl I would probably be the next news story.........


Same here. So with that being said, I have to ask... If it were your child would you wait 3 days before reporting it?

This is a horrible crime that this little girl will never be able to forget and these boys may just get off with a slap on the wrist.


Again, how do you know that this horrible thing actually happened to the girl? I think it is safe to assume that after 3 days, there is no DNA evidence. So I have to know what evidence they do have. Since you live in the area, maybe you would know. Are they simply taking the girl's word for it?

Most of us can not comprehend a 8 or 9 year old being sexually active. The girl is 12. How possible is it that she made it up? What evidence is there? What indicators are there that a sexual assault took place? Why wait 3 days to report it?

DNA evidence has excluded countless people who are in prison for rape. False rape accusations are very common in this country. People hear of a situation like this and automatically accept it as fact. That is human nature. From where I sit, the facts do not add up. Especially.... WHY WAIT 3 DAYS TO REPORT IT?? A lot can happen in 3 days. A kid can scratch themselves up, make a plan, fabricate "evidence", and rehearse the story.

I was once accused of physically assaulting a girl in a public parking lot. The girl and a friend approached me and cussed me out, I told them both off and walked into the store. One week later I get a call from the police. She claimed I punched her in the face and gave her a blackeye. She had got the tag number off my car and reported it- 3 days later. I was charged and the case dismissed when this girl's "witness" approached my attorney and told him that she was the one who punched the girl in the eye and that I never touched her.

Things like this happen. You have to ask yourself, if this was your daughter would you wait 3 days to report her rape? We live in a world with Law and Order being played on TV non stop, CSI constantly being replayed. Evidence and collection of evidence is no big mystery to anyone anymore. Why wait 3 days to report a rape? It is safe to assume this girl bathed within those 3 days, that would destroy all the DNA evidence. So what evidence does ANYONE have that a rape occurred? Or are we all just taking one 12 year old girl's word for it?


reply posted on 19-11-2007 @ 04:20 PM by section8citizen


reply posted on 19-11-2007 @ 04:29 PM by marg6043
reply to post by greeneyedleo



I find interesting that is not more information to the report but what has been stated.

First of all the girl is 11 years old while the older boy is 9, I wonder who was the promiscuous one in the whole ordeal, the girl of the boys.

This one will be a very interesting case.


reply posted on 19-11-2007 @ 04:39 PM by greeneyedleo
reply to post by marg6043



I agree with you. And I keep checking to see if any other news source has picked it up or if there are any updates.........nothing.

I agree that they havent told us all what happened.
It is possible, though I dont know for sure, that the child didnt tell the mother right away and when she did, she finally got her checked out a the doctor, then decided to report.

Hopefully more facts will come out soon...so we all arent assuming!



reply posted on 19-11-2007 @ 04:49 PM by kyyuulle
Originally posted by Rasobasi420
reply to
post by WestPoint23

Not only that, but sending these kids to a juvenile detention facility would probably do more harm than good for them. These kids need therapy, not to be outcasts.


I whole-heartedly agree with giving them therapy. Also, at the end of the article, it said something to effect of they wouldn't expect such a crime to occur in this particular town.

I'm not too familiar with the area, but it does not look like it would be an urban sprawl where crimes of this nature are typically found.


reply posted on 19-11-2007 @ 05:10 PM by section8citizen
Originally posted by marg6043
reply to
post by greeneyedleo



I find interesting that is not more information to the report but what has been stated.




I find it typical, that is the way our new media works. It draws the emotional response (as seen in this thread) before providing you with any facts whatsoever.

Just the other day I was watching the local news when they reported an "Amber Alert". In this area of the US, people take the Amber Alerts very seriously and they will be on the look out for anyone who is being sought under the Amber Alert. The only facts the story gave you was who the man was, and that he took his 2 daughters out of the hospital.

Now when did it become a crime to take your kids from a hospital? If it was a medical emergency, surely they would have said so, but they didn't so whats the problem? How can you kidnap your own kids when you have custody of them? It does not make sense but the news sure painted him out as a criminal that must be captured.


reply posted on 19-11-2007 @ 06:28 PM by greeneyedleo
reply to post by smart420



Sorry!! I did a search before posting it and nothing came up Again, I apologize!

[edit on 19-11-2007 by greeneyedleo]


reply posted on 19-11-2007 @ 06:54 PM by marg6043
reply to post by greeneyedleo



Thanks for that link I see now that we should not made any conclusions as we can see is more that they are telling us.

Like I say promiscuity could be an issue and also it could be abuse included.

Sometimes the problems starts at home.


reply posted on 19-11-2007 @ 06:54 PM by benevolent tyrant
When I first read this story, I was appalled. Truly aghast at the extreme behavior of these two
"youngsters"! It was nearly impossible for me to accept such a story. But accept it I did.

I don't have a daughter but I have two boys myself and I certainly know that if something untoward had happened to them, I would have been beside myself. I don't consider myself a violent man but, damn, I know that I probably would have been driven into doing something untoward myself.

Then I started thinking about what section8citizen had said:
Originally posted by section8citizen
Based on what evidence? How are you so sure that what you are being told actually happened?


That's when I stopped "feeling" and started "thinking".

section8citizen has a valid argument. He raises an extremely important question.

Originally posted by section8citizen
Again, how do you know that this horrible thing actually happened to the girl? I think it is safe to assume that after 3 days, there is no DNA evidence. So I have to know what evidence they do have. Since you live in the area, maybe you would know. Are they simply taking the girl's word for it?


It's a question that caused me to sit back and ponder things. You know, to think about human nature. To consider how all of us have made rash decisions based on scant information or, for that matter, misinformation. Such reactions are exactly why we developed a judicial system that weighs the evidence that is based upon further extensive investigation.

Originally posted by section8citizen
Most of us can not comprehend a 8 or 9 year old being sexually active. The girl is 12. How possible is it that she made it up? What evidence is there? What indicators are there that a sexual assault took place? Why wait 3 days to report it*?

DNA evidence has excluded countless people who are in prison for rape. False rape accusations are very common in this country. People hear of a situation like this and automatically accept it as fact. That is human nature. From where I sit, the facts do not add up. Especially.... WHY WAIT 3 DAYS TO REPORT IT??* A lot can happen in 3 days. A kid can scratch themselves up, make a plan, fabricate "evidence", and rehearse the story.

*bold italics added for emphasis

This is when I started thinking. First, I have to admit, I am still aghast at the very concept that this event might have occurred as reported. If it is true, it raises countless questions and is the fodder for endless debate regarding our society, parenting, our educational systems, the apparent loss of morality and ethical systems (i.e. religion) within our society and culture and the effect of technological and traditional media upon childhood development.

Secondly, I was shocked by my own immediate and unthinking gut reaction which offered an insight into my own, personal, propensity towards violence when adequately provoked. I was putting my emotional reaction ahead of my own judgment -- effectively putting my intellectual discernment on hold.

Finally, I had to question why I was so quick to accept an initial news report on this incident. When the "media" reported that there were WMD in Iraq, I took that with a grain of salt and a pound of suspicion. When the "media" reported that terrorists had attacked the WTC on 9/11, I was still open to the possibility that events that I had witnessed -- live -- on television might not be all that it appeared to be. Yet, I was ready to condemn two prepubescent children on the basis of an unsubstantiated news report from the very same media that I would otherwise question at every turn.

Perhaps the answers lie in the fact that because children are involved, it is a base human emotional reaction to "protect" ,"defend" and exact discipline" when confronted by the very idea that these children....my children....any children might have succumbed to the failings of society.

They say, as an old adage goes, "it takes an entire village to raise a child". When that child goes astray, then the entire village has failed. When something as vile as this reported "child gang rape" occurs, it is an indictment of the failure of our entire society.

I will reserve judgment on this matter until more evidence has been admitted for examination. Until that time, I can only ponder how our society is failing our children -- failing us all.

As a final note or comment, one incident comes to mind when I consider this report. In 1987, a "media circus" surrounded an incident that, upon initial reports, was equally abhorrent to the sensitivities of a nation -- the case of
Tawana Brawley. For those not familiar with this case, a 15 year old girl reported that she had been brutally raped and repeatedly humiliated in a most degrading fashion by a group of men. Tawana Brawley was black. The accused perpetrators were a group of white men. To add insult to injury, she reported a racially motivated hate crime that literally angered a nation and served to further divide the country on racial lines.

A Grand Jury investigation proved that Tawana Brawley had fabricated the entire incident. She lied!
Brawley and her mother were issued subpoenas to appear in front of the grand jury but refused to testify. This may have prompted Brawley and her family to move hastily to Virginia, taking with them a "defense fund" of $300,000 which had been contributed by well-wishers. There remains an outstanding warrant in New York against the two for ignoring the subpoena.[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Brawley]SOURCE


In the aftermath of this lie, careers were lost, reputations sullied and an aura of anger and mistrust hung over a divided nation.



[edit on 11/19/2007 by benevolent tyrant]


reply posted on 19-11-2007 @ 07:56 PM by SimiusDei
reply to post by greeneyedleo



I have to wonder what kind of environment these boys were raised in.

While it MAY be possible for them to just be psychologically damaged, I doubt ALL 3 of them are.

The police should DEFINITELY be investigating the homes of these children. It wouldn't surprise me to find out they had either be horribly neglected or molested/raped themselves.

However, being the "evil" *snippity snip* that I am, I still don't feel these boys should be let out with some minor slap on the wrist.


Jasn
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