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posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 10:21 PM
reply to post by IwillSurvive

Just a small point or two. What makes you think no one here is reading? I personally spend a goodly portion of my disposable income on books, having some thousands in my possession or lent out to friends.

And the comment about needing to leave this site sounds very much like someone with a vested interest in causing, if possible, people to distrust the site and thereby reduce the number of visitors.

While I cannot have anything more to go on than what you write, it almost appears that you have an agenda, either as a competitor of this site, or as someone involved in a conspiracy of your own.

Maybe not. Maybe you just want to be seen as a deep thinker, and hope such meandering thought processes will impress others.

posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 10:36 PM

Originally posted by IwillSurvive
There is one practical solution that all of us have an opportunity to creatively engage in, the campaign for the republican nomination of Ron Paul. He is our greatest friend, all of us, no reptile could gain the exponential moving support that he has.

I love pyromanics, on Dec. 16th I get to be one. We all can. Let's light this world up. (website link removed)


If Candidate Paul is to ever gain any credibility, it will not come from the type of promotion you deliver, you come here and denegrate a site that already is an open forum and has many Paul supporters promoting his message?

If anything you are hurting this man's efforts and credibility with your deceptive motives, take your brand of promoting Paul elsewhere.

I am sure the Congressman would appreciate it.

I think the Paul supporters here would as well.

posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 11:04 PM
Interesting that you find this site suspicious, yet you have only been here a short while. Maybe you have lurked for a while. Why does the forum being the best on the net cause suspicion. You have been provided the links about it's history, check them out. There has been a lot of work and personal investment put into this site to make it what it is. The three main principles of ATS should be applauded for the efforts they have made growing this place, the fruit of which you are enjoying right now. It's to be expected on a conspiracy site though I guess. I'll add though; it would be naive to think that the Government doesn't check this site. Theres way to much information here to think otherwise. But we aren't breaking any laws and we are also from all over the world, so there isn't much they can do.

As far as telling people to get off of here and go read, look at the wealth of information in front of your eyes right now. There are lots of members here that do many things in the real world but chose to spend some of their time online here sharing their knowledge. Man, have you even noticed the new FOIA document forum! The amount of information that that is going to encompass is massive. You could spend days reading all of it and not get through it. Actually there are some members doing that right now.We should never stop reading books but we also shouldn't waste the greatest tool of information we have been given. I read as much as I can get my hands on, just finished reading "Freakonomics", great book, but I use the net also for reading. I can find newspaper from all over the world at a click of a button, giving me opinions and local takes on almost anything. Think about that. Couldn't have done that 15 years ago. We had to rely on just a small pool of sources for our information. Not any more.

posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 11:39 PM
It's good to be suspicious Iwillsurvive. That's basically what it's all about here at ATS. You can think and respond to any post in here as long as your're civil about it. I'm sure there are as many conspiracy theories about ATS as there are conspiracies in ATS. The thing about ATS that I like best is that you do have a choice to believe or not believe in anyone's stories, abductions, experiences, video's, pictures etc....
You get to talk about it freely in these forums and everyone will respond with their own opinions. Just be yourself and think for yourself. Try not to get upset when someone disagree's with you and laugh at ignorance.

I visit sights everyday and enjoy them all. It's just people looking for answers, comfort, laughs, enlightment, knowledge and just the basic what do you think concept. But I do agree with you fully that ATS is easy to use. Thanks to the 3 amigo's, the mods and staff here that make it this way. I think excellence in forum moderating and the passion that the three amigo's have in discovering the truth makes this place home.

Hell, you can even go into the rant forum and bit#h about anything you want. Just remember the T & C's. I say be suspicious, be opened minded and be yourself. Search and google everything. Read up on topics of old and new and determine yourself if they're true or false. Just be who you would be if you were face to face with that person, because online ego's run rapid in any forum.

posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 12:19 AM

Originally posted by IwillSurvive

Read books. Get off this site. Talk to people face to face, not through knowingly monitored means. The more you post here, the more you discuss here, the more they know of their opposition- common sense!

WEll think about it.. if you tell people face to face something... how many people are going to take you seriously? how many people could u possibly tell?

If you know something you are not supposed to know.. how would you get the word out before the government "takes care" of you and the people you have informed??

if you throw that information onto GREAT forums such as ATS ... that information WILL get out.. these forums are so active it seems you could post anything and EVERYONE will see it. if you have something that is very important and the government wants.. many people (even people from different countries) can print that informaton, know that information, save that info and therefore the government will have a harder time to eliminate everyone who holds this information.

that will get people thinking then all those people who heard about it on here can post on other forums, call their friends, and all of a sudden the word is out and the world is denying ingnorance.... or you could have just told your friends face to face and been shot by an "invisible sniper" haha

posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 03:14 AM
Yes i said some moronic things earlier, i apologize, but by gholly you all are so kind, for the most part, one of you, im not going to go back and get the name, said my Paul rhetoric was counterproductive, and he may have a point, and directly to the God-like Ron Paul, I do apologize.

What i want to say is that I don't think the truths we are all seeking to find are within this site, nor the world-wide-web at all. I think the solutions are very simple. There are a few, if not one, present mastermind commanding his corporate and govt. officials who are promised future grandiose and powerful authorities if they are to work hard towards further deceiving, controlling, and exploiting 98% of the population.

This is basically fact, common sense, self-evident, do you guys agree? C'mon, for starters we've all heard that 99% of stocks are owned by 1% of the population. The central banks are all controlled by a handful of people, supposedly European, the Rothschilds in particular, ever since deceiving the banks decades ago by false-reporting to them the outcome of a war, opening all doors to him to purchase tons of companies' stocks at pennies on the dollar. Endgame, alex jones' new film, goes into much more detail. I've also read that the Rothschilds are worth an estimate 100-400 trillion!!!!!! That's unfathomable the amount of US dollars that would be! I mean if they were all 1000 US bills, I wonder how much phyical place all the stacks would take place? Football stadiums? Stupid tangent, but that is such harsh thievery of the world population's wealth that I just trying to frame it in a spatial perspective for us all to relate. Gold bars, that would be quite a sight. I wonder if there is even that worth of gold in existence, considering that the bastards print money like its on a toilet paper roll.

The Rockefellers are estimated also in the trillioins, I believe 10-40!!!!! Lol, I just bought Rockefeller's newest biography "Titan'', very very intriguing.

I was thinking tonight, how would you be living if you had the opportunity to control the entire populations psyche, enabling you to over the long-term, mainly through funding the advancements of specific technologies, attain ANYTHING you want. they have funded first and foremost, mass deception, with Edward Bernayes being the Godfather of the miliatry industrial complex's psychology department. Lol, MIC higher education, I bet they drink oil in their dining commons. No, seriously, it is very easy to understand the world elite. How do they spend a typical evening? Bush, his family, and his friends??? How do the elite spend their time?? It's easy to conclude waht they do. We know their agendas, global dominance/control by depopulation of 95%, leaving who's left to continue to be their slaves, while of course saving the best scientists/technicians/doctors on their keychains for their ultimate lust of living forever and traveling the universe. All of us have a good and bad wolf inside. We know our wolves quite well, wouldn't your bad deliver you exactly where they are going? If you look into yourself, you can figure them out. What's their next move, how, and what are they worried about that might reverse their plans.

Above I talked about one single a mono-mastermind/leader/brainchild. In all systems there is a beginning, something that inherently possesses the greatest force. In your group of friends, family, neighborhood, city, country there is always and will always, everywhere/everytime, be a single individual who decides what will happen. Look into nature, elephants especially, one always leads the heard. Gorillas, even a better example, there is one alpha male with authority over the family. Within the hierarchical pyramid of world elites, one man or woman, wow that would be something if it were a woman!! LittleSpaceLeft, point is, we must meditate on who is making the decisions? Is a a rothschild/Rockefeller/Cheney/Asian/Who? 1 Global Dictator

Edit: Drug reference removed.

[edit on 20-11-2007 by intrepid]

posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 03:18 AM
reply to post by SkepticOverlord

Are you saying the government ISN'T involved with ATS or vice versa?

What the hell man?

Then why am I here?

Sheesh! I wish you people would tell me these things. You guys are supposed to be friends and you left me here living a lie.


posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 03:28 AM
Last point, I definitely believe Ron Paul would unthread the underpinnings of the NWO. They would not know how to react though if her were elected, I believe this could be the war against good and evil. Ron's elected, the fed is eliminated, the troops are all brought home from every country in the planet(would he do that? how bout we ask him on youTube video for his CNN debate!!! seriously!!!), .....Ron we know and honor your stance on immediately withdrawing troops from Iraq, does this bringing home of our troops carry over onto the greater middle east, any other countries, or the entire globe???? Anyways I would see some brilliance, hope, and beauty in a prophecy that Ron Paul is elected the U.S. president in 2008, ending and in the process, exposing, all major national government/corporate corruption then the fingers are pointed overseas to the EU central banks/aristocrats, and to China's cooperation in the planned American ---> Global tyranny. Would that leave Ron Paul as our commander of the greatest military in the history of the universe to destroy all evil nations!?! God it would be so Cinderella!

Does anyone have any other ideas on what to ask Ron Paul? What do you think of that question??? What would be a good background for the footage? Also the music needs to be permitted to be played, if any, from the original artists, and that needs to be confirmed before the video is sent in (or as its sent in with proper documentation of the consent). What types of questions would be best for Ron to gain the most Love that evening of the CNN debate???? Let's do this!!

posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 03:33 AM
well, now i'm suspicious. all the sudden we are talking about Ron Paul? then, this provides enough content to make the assuption that Ron Paul himself is posting here to get more supporters.

Mr. Paul why are you posting in here? shouldn't you be working on your campaign or something?

posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 03:43 AM

Originally posted by SimiusDei
reply to post by SkepticOverlord

Are you saying the government ISN'T involved with ATS or vice versa?

Well it is common sense that they are aware of this site, and constantly have it monitored by person or computer, both most likely, in case of some quantum idea, post, exposure. In the meantime they just continue to gather data on people, but there is nothing they can do because of our God-given Rights!!!
They can, have, and will torture or kill anyone who knows to much and is a threat to their plans, we've seen this lame, shallow, cowardice, sickening act happen over and over again, most recently to scientists, biomolecular in specific, and this is because they are capable of producing a remedy for the planned depopulation using bioweapons, already in experimentation in Africa, Asia, and through chemtrails, i guess everywhere! Have no fear, they are scared of hell of not succeeding, the odds are in our favor!!! The are outnumbered, outpowered, and outsmarted infinite to 0, they are doomed, and i think realize that. Maybe there won't even need to be any more warfare, they'll just give up their sadistic unfulfilling pasts, to join the human family in an unparalleled historical communal progression towards utopia.

Your aware of all their technologies. Computers and people like i said earlier traffic, and store information on all black listed websites, some obviously much more than others, this and prisonplanet are probably high up there, but there are tons I don't even know about. Alex jones over at prisonplanet has caught them on his message boards, etc. It is also possible they own these sites. But like i've heard before, if either of these is the cases, and they certainly are, then they are informed and hear of all the harmonious things we say! It is only a matter of time before everyone leaves darkness behind them. A perfect example is V for Vendetta, all it takes is for a few important people on the inside to side with the people, in order to aid the people in taking down the "rulers"

posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 03:45 AM
i was kidnapped by the founders of ATS and they made me sell my eyelids on the Internet for 250.000 euro's

they used this money to make the site pretty.

posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 03:48 AM

Originally posted by jedimiller
well, now i'm suspicious. all the sudden we are talking about Ron Paul? then, this provides enough content to make the assuption that Ron Paul himself is posting here to get more supporters.

Mr. Paul why are you posting in here? shouldn't you be working on your campaign or something?

Hahahaha, yes damn i knew you guys were clever, but not immortals! you picked me out on my first post! Hi everyone it's Ron, i'm here to tell you that we are winning, undoubtedly, but we need to work even harder to ensure a secure victory! We need to take every precaution necessary so that this election is not stolen like the last two have been! GO and get em' friends! It will not be me leading, but US!

posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 03:55 AM

Originally posted by tombangelta
i was kidnapped by the founders of ATS and they made me sell my eyelids on the Internet for 250.000 euro's

they used this money to make the site pretty.

Mediocre joke, lol, such hypotheticals are real. Alex was offered his "slice of the world" if he were to switch sides to the fascists. They'll do whatever it takes. Sometimes I think they're working harder than most anyone else in the world to manifest their plans, that is why they have made this much progress. That's is now seemingly reversing, Hallelujah!!

I'm guessing and okay, betting, that the creators of these sites were at one point offered a large sum of cash, assets, power, whatever, to completely open the streams and work with the fascists to slow down and maybe even prevent the rippling of the information wars.

posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 04:45 AM

Originally posted by IwillSurvive
Hi everyone it's Ron, i'm here to tell you....

Please tell me you're not serious... :shk:

That is a mighty bold claim without any evidence to support it. As a community, we try to grant a bit of leeway (especially where new members are concerned), but we don't take kindly to deception; an area where you appear to be dancing the line.

Also, a bit of a tip regarding:

Originally posted by IwillSurvive
I was thinking tonight, in a stoned meditation, how would you be living...

Discussion of currently illegal activities is also frowned upon around here.

[edit on 11/20/07 by redmage]

posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 06:13 AM
Here is some info available for free on the internet, as pertains to the site. = [ ]

The Above Network
Registered through: Inc.
Domain servers in listed order:
For complete domain details go to: = [ ]

(Asked about

network: Class-Name: network
network: Auth-Area:
network: Network-Name: SOFTLAYER-
network: IP-Network:
network: IP-Network-Block:
network: Organization;I: Softlayer Corporate C
network: Street-Address: 6400 International Pkwy Suite 1200
network: City: Plano
network: State: TX
network: Postal-Code: 75093
network: Country-Code: US
network: Tech-Contact;I:
network: Abuse-Contact;I:
network: Admin-Contact;I: IPADM258-ARIN
network: Created: 20061018
network: Updated: 20071116
network: Updated-By:

The ip goes to a webhost in texas, they have a static ip and server through them..

The above network was the registrent for the domain abovetopsecret.

If you look at its website, it corresponds to above, below, and

they are based in connecticut, oklahoma, and u.k.

The Above Network, LLC was originally created in 1997 by Simon Gray of Swindon, UK

To schedule an interview with Bill Irvine, Mark Allin, or Simon Gray, please call Justin Loeber, Mouth Public Relations, 212-260-7576;

posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 09:05 AM
Welcome to ATS.

I am also only a couple of months old here, I also had these feelings. Sometimes my head starts spinning when I read different topics... but yea ATS is a great place.

After coming here I have started thinking about life in a new way...
Other members thanks are posting the great information about ATS

posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 11:30 AM

those people with top secret clearance are not even supposed to discolse that they have top secret clearances - lol

posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 11:45 AM
reply to post by DINSTAAR

GO BUCKS!!! Rose Bowl Bound! I'm in Missouri now, but brewed in Buckeye Land!

I'm also a newbie...I like to mess with the political junkies. And I find the alien and armegeddon stuff very entertaining. This site is way too good for a government job!

Welcome newbie - from another newbie!


posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 11:54 AM

Originally posted by jedimiller
well, now i'm suspicious. all the sudden we are talking about Ron Paul?

Want more? On another thread of IwillSurvive, Is Simon Gray a NeoCon? he states:

"I find this site of little use BESIDES gathering people to support Ron Paul. Everything else discussed and researched in here is common sense. We all know what is happening and why. Ron is the only hope"

posted on Nov, 20 2007 @ 03:20 PM
reply to post by lostcoyote

Most don't directly mention it; however, when it's a longstanding/respected member... much can be inferred by what they can get away with saying.

Such members have, on occasion, brought forward things like "interesting" press releases (adding notions of surprise that certain details were actually made public).

If one pays attention, members such as these can point one towards some fascinating avenues of research.

[edit on 11/20/07 by redmage]

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