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posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by TheoOne
reply to post by jackinthebox
 


What's up with you and Adolf Hitler? Is he your hero or something?


It is truly unfortunate that quotes by the most vile person to ever live are still pertinent today. The New World Order is at hand.




posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by rockets red glare
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Well stated and prepared! The only reason that I can think of that our government would continue this if for the votes to remove the American constitution and replace it with a new document and usher in the N.A.U. and then enventually the new world order and one world government.


The enormous changes and implications from the NAU have brought an onslaught of American citizens into action. WE THE PEOPLE are not all brain-dead or apathetic. In fact, I truly believe that citizens taught our Congressional reps a few lessons this year.

Through our complaints and threats to end Senatorial careers of some, Americans have temporarily halted any of the "immigration amnesty" for now. We have also stopped the problems with Mexican truck drivers and cargo from gaining easy access (at the 11th hour).

Use your voice, write letters, stay-the-course, and make your Senators and Congressial leaders represent you. That right still belongs to us and we pay dearly for that. When they do not heed our words and stop representing our interests, the anarchy will heighten.

Our basic Constitutional Rights are being stomped on already. They're being massaged and re-interpreted and think-tanked into an undefinable mashup. Let 'em have-at-it. As long as I can keep my #1 and #2, I'll be fine.





posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 01:53 PM
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It is so easy to label people that oppose illegal immigration as racist, but so hard for you people to come up with an intelligent argument with how illegal immigration helps this country. You know what I would gladly pay a couple extra dollars on produce if the stream of illegals crossing the border stopped. It is both laughable, and scary as hell to listen to our elected leaders talk about this so called war on terroism, and our national security, and then sit on their thumbs while people by the millions swarm unchecked across our borders. They are either dumb as hell, or someone is lining their pockets, probably a mix of both, but more due to the later imo. Lots and lots of money is being made of the cheap labor these mexicans provide, and it is sending this country into an uncontrollable downward spiral. People will work if there isnt options for them to suck off other peoples hard work. The social programs in this country have become so far out of control it is just sickening, dont give people the option to sit on their asses at home and suck off other peoples tax dollars.

I am all for legal immigration, and I think most people that oppose illegal immigration are also. I live in a small town in Northern Indiana, and we are starting to get overun by illegals. Mexican gangs are popping up left and right around here, crime is going up, and I think anyone that lives in high immigration areas sees changes happening. You see stories everyday of illegals killing people, mexican flags flying above the US flag. All the while Americans are sitting around taking it because of the mambe pamby politcal correct, oh no dont offend anyone country we live in. Sometimes you need to call a spade a spade, it is getting out of control, call me a racist, but something needs to be done. Like someone pointed out apathy is destroying this country, it is being stripped away right in front of our faces. Lady liberty is being bent over and raped while we sit by and think well I better not say anything, someone might think me a bigot. I for one am done, I am not going to keep my mouth shut anymore, if that results in me being arrested, killed or labeled as racist, so be it. You know the thing is people are pissed and they are just too scared to do something about it, too scared to open their mouths. I see it everyday, people rolling their eyes at mexicans, looks of distaste and anger at mexicans. Just the other day a black guy in Mcdonalds yelled at some mexicans for not speaking english. You know whose fault it is, all the anger and distaste for mexicans? people like the idiot that said this is their country assland or whatever he called it, piss off pal. People are only going to take so much, I just hope they get to that point soon before our country is destroyed by our southern invaders.



posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by Drzava
have anyone forgot native americans?

they are the real amerians and nobody is giving them rights

forget the mexicans, focus on NATIVE AMERICANS!!!!![Indians]


Naw, Native Americans are just Russians that imagrated here a long time ago.

Why is it so hard for people to understand that about 99% of the world was split up the way it is today by the groups with the bigger stick?

That was just they way things were and it is not a right or wrong thing...



posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by rockets red glare
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.. The only reason that I can think of that our government would continue this if for the votes to remove the American constitution and replace it with a new document and usher in the N.A.U. and then enventually the new world order and one world government.


Rockets,

Actually, a great deal of the NAU/SPP has been planned, and some events have been carried out. The reason behind this NAU "community" is not to overthrow the Constitution, but for the controlled wealth of an elitist society that more and more people are required to support.

Step back and recall America's motives for its past actions. Think about history and you will see that GREED abounds! Personal and corporate greed! With the NAU, America can obtain more of everything that is needed for our country to run it's profit-machine. More people are needed to prop up America. More resources are required to prop up our energy-thirsty country. More money is required to prop our elitist few (with dribbles to our basic entitlement system).

Both Mexico and Canada have natural resources that America is needing: mining metals, natural gas, petroleum are but a few natural resources.


Check out the report: Building a N.American Communityof an Independent Task Force, Sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations.



posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 04:21 PM
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[edit on 19-11-2007 by The Good Reverend Roger]



posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by Drzava
have anyone forgot native americans?

they are the real amerians and nobody is giving them rights

forget the mexicans, focus on NATIVE AMERICANS!!!!![Indians]


Nobody can "GIVE" anyone rights.

Rights are taken. Privileges are given.



posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by Loki
I think it's an absolute farce the way people are reacting to the immigration issue in America. These are not evil terrorists that infiltrate our country to cause harm, actually in the vast majority of cases the exact opposite is true. These people come to America because that is where the jobs are, and this sort of Xenophobic attitude is bad for our country. It's racial hate speech to even suggest that immigration is a cause of Domestic Violence. Every single white person in this country descended from a massive wave of illegal immigrants.


Furthermore, it's commendable that these new citizens of our country will readily take on the civic duty of voting when 'Red Blooded Americans' need to be dragooned into visiting the polling places every two years. How about instead of worrying about what other people are doing to make themselves a better life, we concentrate on making a better life for ourselves? After all, what white American parent will say that they want their child to take up a job in an apple orchard picking produce for 3.00 an hour?

Deny Ignorance, Please.


I very much agree with this statement.

Also I would gladly appreciate it if you "spelled check" before submitting. Not a good look pal.



posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 05:01 PM
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I don't for one min. believe Americans are greedier than any one else and know they are more genourous than most. Wealth is not thing that should just devied up. Wealth is created. Many weathy people are good people. certainly there are the elites who want all they can take and would like to have the free flow of labor just as they have the free flow of goods! As far as our need for energy goes, I believe that is just nothing more than the result of a sucsessfull people. We are no different in that respest than anyone else! If you offered a new (or old) car with a gas guzzling V8 to someone for free you can bet the would take it and drive it!!! Americans are made up from all the peoples in the world. Is it your belief that has soon as someone becomes an american they all the sudden become evil and greedy. Why do you supose all these foreigners want to come here? maybe they want to jump into this "greed fest". No, of course not. They want to come here to join the most advanced and free nation and just nation on earth. American use energy because they have sosiety has advanced beyond the others. But make no mistake THEY WISH THEY WERE IN OUR SHOES. They could easliy be, if they would abandon the ideas of collectivism. Why would anyone want to stay with such a flawed and fail system that has shown itself to breed corruption and failure and ever worse authoritarian paractices. AMERICA IS NOT A PROBLEM OF THE WORLD BUT, THE ONE GREAT HOPE FOR IT!



posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by rockets red glare
I don't for one min. believe Americans are greedier than any one else and know they are more genourous than most.


Got any proof for that?


Originally posted by rockets red glare
AMERICA IS NOT A PROBLEM OF THE WORLD BUT, THE ONE GREAT HOPE FOR IT!


Not anymore. Now we're just another wannabe empire that employs things like "pre-emptive aggression" and torture to get what it wants.



posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 05:32 PM
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Another issue,

Is that some immigrants are related to American service members. Some families are part immigrant and part American.

Overall, the issue of immigration was discussed by Thomas Jefferson when he addressed the problem of the German immigrants. This issue was about assimilation. However, the main idea of his dissertation on this issue was the danger of loyalty because of the history of the Prussian empire which consisted of germans.

He did discuss the issue of overcrowding but then again it goes back to space exploration because it would be a new factor in the equation which Jefferson never thought of during his era.

The mentioning of the passage from the U.S. constitution is not about immigration but rather national loyalty.

Thomas Jefferson was one of the most eloquent speakers and thinkers on many issues especially on the issue of immigration he said:

"I hold the right of expatriation to be inherent in every man by the laws of nature, and incapable of being rightfully taken from him even by the united will of every other person in the nation. If the laws have provided no particular mode by which the right of expatriation may be exercised, the individual may do it by any effectual and unequivocal act or declaration." --Thomas Jefferson to Albert Gallatin, 1806. FE 8:458
"Expatriation [is] a natural right, and acted on as such by all nations in all ages." --Thomas Jefferson: Autobiography, 1821. ME 1:12

"Our ancestors... possessed a right, which nature has given to all men, of departing from the country in which chance, not choice, has placed them, of going in quest of new habitations, and of there establishing new societies, under such laws and regulations as, to them, shall seem most likely to promote public happiness." --Thomas Jefferson: Rights of British America, 1774. ME 1:185, Papers 1:121

The issue concerning Mexican immigration is that they leave Mexico because it is corrupt and filled with mob violence. Under these conditions many Mexicans and other immigrants of Latin America could claim assylum under the classical case stated by Thomas Jefferson:

"Shall we refuse the unhappy fugitives from distress that hospitality which the savages of the wilderness extended to our fathers arriving in this land? Shall oppressed humanity find no asylum on this globe? The Constitution, indeed, has wisely provided that for admission to certain offices of important trust a residence shall be required sufficient to develop character and design. But might not the general character and capabilities of a citizen be safely communicated to every one manifesting a bona fide purpose of embarking his life and fortunes permanently with us?" --Thomas Jefferson: 1st Annual Message, 1801. ME 3:338

"It [has] been the wise policy of these states to extend the protection of their laws to all those who should settle among them of whatever nation or religion they might be and to admit them to a participation of the benefits of civil and religious freedom, and... the benevolence of this practice as well as its salutary effects [has] rendered it worthy of being continued in future times." --Thomas Jefferson: Proclamation, 1781. Papers 4:505

"America is now, I think, the only country of tranquility and should be the asylum of all those who wish to avoid the scenes which have crushed our friends in [other lands]." --Thomas Jefferson to Mrs. Church, 1793. FE 6:289

"[We wish] but to consecrate a sanctuary for those whom the misrule of Europe may compel to seek happiness in other climes. This refuge, once known, will produce reaction on the happiness even of those who remain there by warning their task-masters that when the evils of Egyptian oppression become heavier than those of the abandonment of country, another Canaan is open where their subjects will be received as brothers and secured against like oppressions by a participation in the right of self-government." --Thomas Jefferson to George Flowe



posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 05:33 PM
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40 million is just way too much, it's simply enormous and unthinkable. About 4 years ago i think is when they estimated that the illegal population is 20 million.

Later theres gonna be a sign saying:

Welcome to Mexico

then on the bottom it will say



Population 0



The US took land away from them so what do you expect? They'll simply let you have it forever?

Maybe we should let them in for the dirty jobs that no one else wants to do, such as lawn mowing, plumbing, janitor, dish washer, all those things. Labor in AMerica is expensive, that's why they come here to make a living.

But then again, they are taking other's jobs, and the second generation mexicans have the same likelihood of getting a nice job like other Americans.

I think that technology will solve this problem later. The government can spend a LOT money and make a wall that a 5 ft long squriel can't get pass. Or maybe we can help Mexico's industry.




Illegal immigration is a problem everywhere, espicially in China, more people cross into the Chinese border from other contiguous countries than the US i think. I mean look at the data from CIA
Land boundaries:
total: 22,117 km
border countries: Afghanistan 76 km, Bhutan 470 km, Burma 2,185 km, India 3,380 km, Kazakhstan 1,533 km, North Korea 1,416 km, Kyrgyzstan 858 km, Laos 423 km, Mongolia 4,677 km, Nepal 1,236 km, Pakistan 523 km, Russia (northeast) 3,605 km, Tajikistan 414 km, Vietnam 1,281 km

US has Mexico and Cuba. But those are the only significant ones.


[edit on 11/14/07 by die_another_day]



posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 05:37 PM
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This is what I witness personally in my hometown. The construction pay rates fall drastically as a result of illegal aliens.
Here's how it works. The illegal works for less. Simple as that. I'm tired of people giving this excuse "Well, they do the jobs that the Americans don't want" WRONG. The reason the job is less desired is because the job pays less because illegals will do it for less. Now listen to this. Its not just the crummy jobs anymore they are doing this in all areas of construction and its bringing the entire construction industry's pay rates down. And I mean in a big way. I'm talking 10+ dollars an hour difference! I live in Florida and most of the middle class in my area is in construction as am I. And this is really taking a big toll on the legal families. I never seen so many people lose their house like I did this year. If it wasn't for the flood of illegal aliens a job that currently pays 8 dollars an hour would pay 16-20. I witness this daily. There are tons and tons of illegals here you see them all over. Its really hurting us.



posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 05:45 PM
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Part II...

Thomas Jefferson further stated:

"[We wish] but to consecrate a sanctuary for those whom the misrule of Europe may compel to seek happiness in other climes. This refuge, once known, will produce reaction on the happiness even of those who remain there by warning their task-masters that when the evils of Egyptian oppression become heavier than those of the abandonment of country, another Canaan is open where their subjects will be received as brothers and secured against like oppressions by a participation in the right of self-government." --Thomas Jefferson to George Flower, 1817. ME 15:141


On the ...Rights of Immigrants....


"Born in other countries, yet believing you could be happy in this, our laws acknowledge, as they should do, your right to join us in society, conforming, as I doubt not you will do, to our established rules. That these rules shall be as equal as prudential considerations will admit, will certainly be the aim of our legislatures, general and particular."

--Thomas Jefferson to Hugh White, 1801. ME 10:258

"[Is] rapid population [growth] by as great importations of foreigners as possible... founded in good policy?... They will bring with them the principles of the governments they leave, imbibed in their early youth; or, if able to throw them off, it will be in exchange for an unbounded licentiousness, passing, as is usual, from one extreme to another. It would be a miracle were they to stop precisely at the point of temperate liberty. These principles, with their language, they will transmit to their children. In proportion to their number, they will share with us the legislation. They will infuse into it their spirit, warp and bias its direction, and render it a heterogeneous, incoherent, distracted mass... If they come of themselves, they are entitled to all the rights of citizenship: but I doubt the expediency of inviting them by extraordinary encouragements."

--Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.VIII, 1782. ME 2:118

NOW...what did he say in the previous statement above ????

"they will share with us the legislation. They will infuse into it their spirit, warp and bias its direction, and render it a heterogeneous, incoherent, distracted mass... If they come of themselves, they are entitled to all the rights of citizenship:..."

Which means...that if the immigrant is willing to learn the English language and respect the liberties of others then they are welcome to come to the US!

Thomas Jefferson never says...immigrants must be christian or follow a particular christian creed or loay to any political org or another entity.

Anyone who reads his statements will observe that Thomas Jefferson meant loyalty to America and speak the English language (not to abandon the first language of the immigrant but that the immigrant must learn the English language. He did not emphasize cultural assimilation but rather ONLY to learn the English language which is the Lingua Franca of the United States of America).



posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 05:54 PM
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Wrong!

many (illegal) immigrants are making more than $10.00 hr. The problem is that the money is being exported to their underground economy or to their native nation and ofcourse partly spent in the very local economy.

Yet, both immigrant and Americans make below the pay rate because of the lack of experience...OR because the company is not doing well and would have to cut back.

The local economy suffers because of immigrants ???Wrong!

The local economy suffers because the company itself has employed day labors and temps who are mostly american citizens! How much do Day Labors and Temps make?? below the national average !!!

The problem derives from a NAFTA mentality by the companies themselves who are observing their raw material costs for future projects !!! Or like most corporations to pay their top execs MILLIONS of dollars!



posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by Cris7500

many (illegal) immigrants are making more than $10.00 hr.


Link?



posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by LokiAfter all, what white American parent will say that they want their child to take up a job in an apple orchard picking produce for 3.00 an hour?


I'd be proud of my boy.

Sri Oracle



posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 06:41 PM
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Where do you live? Canada?

Ever heard of "supply and demand"? their is a demand for cheap lobor being suplied by illegal aliens. If there was a lot less illegal aliens here then they would have no choice but to pay the Americans what they want and diserve. The work has to be done no matter what. People would just have to pay more for their lawn to be mowed Ect.



posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by rockets red glare
reply to post by Loki
 


it's not a lame statisic. Those statisics are "people" 30% of our prison puplation are foreigners. This is a huge problem and platitudes won't solve it!


It's true, it is possible for a terrorist to go under a guide of immigration. It's happened around were I live quite a few times. Most of the mexicans were I live steal, and the guy who works for my sister's landlord broke and entered into my sister's apartment. He stole money, and a camera. Loki, statistics do help, your being to picky and biased for someone who denies ingourance. If the people claim these things, there must be some truth in it, right?



posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by die_another_day
40 million is just way too much, it's simply enormous and unthinkable.


It's also a steaming pile of crap. There are approximately 12 million illegals in America.



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