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posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 02:30 AM

Originally posted by The Good Reverend Roger
And there are approximately 12 million illegals in America, not 40 million.

The Tucson sector Border Patrol union local 2544 on the number of illegal aliens in our nation: "There are currently 15 to 20 million illegal aliens in this country by many estimates, but the real numbers could be much higher and the numbers increase every day because our borders are not secure (no matter what the politicians tell you - don't believe them for a second)"

In a letter dated February 2004, no less an authority than Arizona Senator John McCain recognized that Border Patrol apprehension figures demonstrated that "almost four million people crossed our borders illegally 2002"

NC Farmers Want Illegals

N.C. Farm Bureau now says that America needs illegal immigrants or we will have to pay more for food and import more food.

NorCal Farmers Worry Fruit Will Rot On Trees

Some farmers told Garza they expect some of their fields to remain unpicked. They said the illegal immigrant workers they have depended on to pick their fields are no longer crossing the border because of the tighter security at the border.

Okay so we are bringing it upon ourselves...

But here is the one that made me get my guns out of mothballs....

Challenging America
In a demonstration that would land Americans in jail in Mexico, some 100 protesters carrying Mexican flags are demonstrating against a meeting called to unite forces against illegal immigration. Photo at left was taken at about 12:45 pm Pacific on Sunday, May 29.

Here in Vegas the students took the day of school for this march to protest tougher immigration laws that would send some of them home as they were illegal, or their parents and relatives were...

But in their fight to show how much they loved this country and wanted to stay... they flew MEXICAN flags... The uproar cause the organizers to remedy that for the next day... but the damage was done...

If this image doesn't get your dander fired up... then all hope for America is lost

And you know who here in Vegas was the MOST upset? The LEGAL Mexican immigrants that fought hard to get to be here... Now how do you call RACISM on that?

And I really wish people would stop using the word IMMIGRANT in relation to ILLEGALS... They are not even REFUGES They are only here for our dollars.

And you want proof of the free medical? Just visit and Hospital emergency room here in Las Vegas and see for yourself...

posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 02:49 AM
it is true that America is to blame. but also mexico. it's both nations at fault. American for hiring them and Mexicans for giving up on their own republic. Mexico would be a greater place if the people stayed down there. but they see all of this stuff on TV and how great america is that they want to come here. I know people in Mexico that are very americanized and they only buy the american clothing and european cars. they are forced to come here as they are not treated fairly in mexico. solution? build higher cement walls all around the southern borders. this in turn will force the mexicans to stay in mexico and create more labor laws and fair working practices. the US has to force mexicans to stay in mexico and better themselves..only then, will mexico learn how to financially grow. Also, get those darn companies out of mexico and bring them back.

but trade fairly with mexico and other countries. I still rather have all one world people, but that's something I dont see happening.

posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 03:01 AM

40 Million!

Here in Australia we have 20 odd million people total. Thats with a land mass pretty much the size of America's. I cant even begin to imagine how packed the cities must be. 40 million immigrants is double our whole population! sheeesh

America must be one hell of a nice place to live, everyone seems to be moving there

posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 03:02 AM
There is no reason for the Mexican people to be so poor when the nation has a vast wealth in oil. Except corruption of course. And the same goes for America. There are millions of citizens living in poverty and on the streets in the richest country in the world. It only makes sense when you realize that most of us are slaves without borders.

"By the skillful and sustained use of propoganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise."
-Adolf Hitler

Another quote for those who like to go grab their guns...
"It is not enough to overthrow the old state, but that the new state must previously been built up and ready to one's hand...In 1933 it was no longer a question of overthrowing a state by an act of violence: meanwhile the new state had been built up and all that remained to do was to destroy the last remnants of the old state - and that took but a few hours." -Adolf Hitler, 1936

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posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 03:39 AM
Mexicans don't want us gringos down in Mexico, why should we be friendly to them coming up to the U.S.. If I had been born in Mexico, first chance I got, I would have headed for the Northern border, I understand why they want to come here. I like latin culture, and I don't blame them for wanting to come here, but at the same time, they don't want us buying land down in Mexico, and they are as prejudiced against us as we are against them, if not more so.

Well, many retirees would like to be able to go south and buy land, but we can't buy land in Mexico, only obtain long term leases, and that is garbage. Our government should demand compromises from the Mexican government in exchange for open immigration policy. Unions should be defended in Mexico, and worker rights established. It is either we stop illegal immigration, and demand changes in Mexico for opening our borders, or we sacrifice our own standards of living, and our own liberties. Either we push Mexico to become more like us, or we will become more like them, or we close our borders.

posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 03:44 AM
reply to post by jackinthebox

What's up with you and Adolf Hitler? Is he your hero or something?

posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 05:54 AM

Originally posted by poet1b
Mexicans don't want us gringos down in Mexico

That's a false statement. My nephew and I just went to mexico on friday night. He's a full faced gringo as you call it. he managed to meet a mexican lady and get her phone number. today he called and they are dating.

posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 06:27 AM
All you people with opinions really can't imagine the scope of this problem unless you live in a town that has been completely overrun by illegals as your mayor and city council stand by and let it happen. You have no idea the problems this creates. My next door neighbor constantly having people coming and going stealing my parking spot and dropping trash all over my yard. Gang members and thugs hanging out on corners, day laborers hanging out at the 7-11 looking for work and cat calling women as they relieve themselves on the side of the building. The entire DC area is inundated with illegals and many counties are FINALLY starting to take action and enact resolutions to weed these people out.

Prince William County where I live has enacted one of the strictest measures in the country to deal with this problem but it is still too early in the game and hasn't been fully instituted yet. It remains to be seen if they will actually enforce it as strictly as planned. Loudoun County next door is also starting to take steps but Fairfax County remains a sanctuary area as the chairman of the supervisors Gerry Connelly has said and I quote, "we are not rolling up the red carpet for illegals" - his words.

There are at least 30-40 million illegals in this country regardless of the fake numbers you see being released by the government. I would never believe a single statistic coming from those clowns. If they released the actual numbers then it would horrify Americans. There are 12 million illegals alone easily in the mid atlantic region of the US. This WILL lead to a civil war in the next decade if left unchecked. Americans better wake up. Don't say you weren't warned.

posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 06:47 AM
It's called the reclamation of Aztlan. We've been here for millenia and they call it an invasion. Call it what you want, Chicanos are here to stay. At the turn of the last century, Italians and Irish immigrants were blamed for all of Americas social ills. Now, in the 21st century, the Mexican is the latest boogy man. If the Anglo culture wants to keep up with us, it must stop using birth control and aborting children or start a war. Judging from American history, I would bet a second war for Aztlan is brewing soon.

posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 08:27 AM
Godriguez, I used to be "offended" by some of the things you'd say... However, I think I've figured you out... You actually, in my opinion, bring levity to this topic. You take a mythological story, one that peole here in the states seems to fear, and you use it to get reaction.

posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 08:44 AM
have anyone forgot native americans?

they are the real amerians and nobody is giving them rights

forget the mexicans, focus on NATIVE AMERICANS!!!!![Indians]

posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 08:55 AM
reply to post by Drzava

I don't think any one has forgot about "native americans" I think it's long past time to drop the hyphins however. These special tags givin to groups only serve to devide all americans. "Eropean American", African American","Asian American", "Latino American" it's all just serves to devide us. Can't we just be Americans. In america no one is responsible for the wrongs of there fathers. As in, I as a white am certainly no more responsible for slavery in the americas (started by the spanish) than a black man is reponsible for the moors that invaded and inslaved europeans for 800 years. it's time to get past group think and understand that if individual rights are the basis of all rights!

posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 09:04 AM

Originally posted by Loki
These people come to America because that is where the jobs are, and this sort of Xenophobic attitude is bad for our country.

Actually, no it isn't. Concerns of country by citizens should never be frowned upon. Whether you consider the issue right or wrong.

Apathy is what is bad for our country. It has allowed this government to run amuck across the globe while ignoring the masses of it's citizens and serving the agendas of corporate America.

These jobs you speak of that illegal immigrants fill ... when corporate America has shipped every last job off to India and there are no jobs left, what are the immigrants going to do? Do you think they'll go back home? No. We'll be left trying to feed the masses (something like 20 million) of people who've come for work. Thanks to the apathy of American citizens and the greed of Corporate America.

Apathy is what's destorying America. This attitude of "Oh, you shouldn't talk like that. It's not that bad and it make you sound like a rascist." I don't care. It's hurting the economy, healthcare, and welfare state of this nation. It's a bad thing.

You can call me an immigrant too. You're right. Hundreds of years ago my ancestors immigrated to America. But, they did it legally. So, there's a difference.

posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 10:26 AM
If you do a little research, you will see that the Chicano IS a Native American. Name another land that the Chicano was born on. Not Spain. We are the bastard children of Spanish on Indio rape. Our ancestors are native to this continent and native to Aztlan. Call it a myth all you want. Just look around the Southwest and tell me it's not Aztlan. Thats why the Anglo is so mad. We are everywhere and spreading like wildfire.
Chicanos- Keep breeding and reading.

posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 10:31 AM

Originally posted by vashts121
The reason Bush or anyone isn't making any immigration law is because of the North American Union. It will make Canada, US and Mexico a borderless sovereignty, therefore rendering the Constitution useless, and they will make laws to prohibit the rights we once considered inalienable.

Yup, you are right.

The collasp of the dollar (which is happening now!) will lead to the introduction of the Amero. Our dollar is now worthless.

They have now set the stage to merge US, Mexico and Canada and they did it right under our noses.

That is why they let 40 million ILLEGALS in our Country.

It makes me MAD AS HELL.

Say Goodbye to America.

Here are some fascinating links on the coming North American Union and the Amero (which is very real).

If you are an American you will want to watch everyone of these news clips. It's real and it's HAPPENING NOW!

posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 12:29 PM
MauiStacey, thank you for bringing up the NAU and the SPP. As you said, this was carried out right in front of American citizens. Much of the legal NAU/SPP verbiage can be found embedded in Senate Bills, even the hotly contested S. 1348 "Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill" that failed earlier this year.

It is not the obligation of U.S. citizens, nor the obligation of America, to provide American benefits and opportunities to criminals who have entered into and live in America as ILLEGAL ALIENS. Even ILLEGAL ALIENS must learn to accept consequences for their actions. After all, we American citizens do -- we have a lawful society that punishes criminals.

To Loki, who has no facts and seems to have disappeared because there is nothing to support that rhetoric:

FACTS to consider:

More than 9,000 Americans die each year because of ILLEGAL ALIENS. These deaths occur as a result of murder or drunk driving, according to the Violent Crimes Institute.

The GAO, in 2005, studied 55,322 incarcerated ILLEGAL ALIENS. The GAO calculated that the 55,322 illegal aliens studied represented a total of 459,614 arrests, some eight arrests per illegal alien. An astounding 36% had been arrested at least five times before.

At present, between 49%-61% of the ILLEGAL ALIENS do not even have a high-school diploma, according to analysis from the Pew Hispanic Center and The Heritage Foundation.

For every $10,000 earned by an ILLEGAL ALIEN, the American benefits of more than $19,000 are provided.

The poverty rate among adult ILLEGAL ALIENS is 27% (twice the rate of native-born Americans), according to The Heritage Foundation.

Harvard professor George Borjas has estimated that the very large influx of immigrant workers between 1980 and 2000 lowered the wages of the average non-immigrant worker by 3.2 %.

These facts support the economic and social impact that American citizens must face. If America allows "amnesty" for 20-plus million illegal aliens, it will cost American taxpayers $2.6 trillion in retirement costs alone, according to Robert Rector of The Heritage Foundation.

Vernon Briggs, a Cornell University labor economics professor stated: "The toleration of illegal immigration undermines all of our labor; it rips at the social fabric. It's a race to the bottom. The one who plays by the rules is penalized... a guest worker program guarantees wages will never go up, and there is no way American citizens can compete with guest workers."

posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 12:33 PM
The average Latino/Chicano is every bit as native Indian as the average white person in the U.S.. Does anyone see Chicanos standing up for the Zapatistas? I know a lot of Mexicans, and I never hear them talking about the rights of native Americans in Latina America. Latinos will give the speech about how evil whites are, but they never protest the Spanish conquistadors that control Latin America to this day.

If you are a Native American from South America, then you should be down in Latin America fighting against the ancestors of the Spanish Conquistadors that rule Latin America to this day, instead of crying about how evil whites are. What the Spanish did is far worse than what white did in N. America. Most Whites just wanted to migrate to a new land. Apparently migration is fine, unless you are white.

Do chicanos go to the reservations of North American Indians to make alliances? Heck no.

This whole White oppressor nonsense is just what I am talking about, latin prejudice against white, thanks for proving my point. Not all Latinos/Chicanos are hostile to Whites, but plenty of them are, using this White oppressor lie.

posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 12:38 PM
reply to post by Zoltan

Well stated and prepared! The only reason that I can think of that our government would continue this if for the votes to remove the American constitution and replace it with a new document and usher in the N.A.U. and then enventually the new world order and one world government.

posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 12:39 PM
In 2000, 8% of individuals born in Mexico resided in the U.S. (See Source #1)

One of the main reasons that the US Government wants to allow an "amnesty" is because of our Federal entitlement programs.

According to the Bipartisan Commission on Entitlement and Tax Reform, the Social Security system, which currently runs at a substantial surplus, will come under strain in the next century and go into bankruptcy in 2029 because of massive payments to the baby boom generation.

Medicare faces a more pressing crisis, with its insolvency projected in just seven years. Instead of reducing benefits or raising taxes, expanding the number of workers contributing to entitlement funds, may resolve the long-term imbalances. This objective cannot be achieved through native demography alone.

Again, more immigration is the solution. Because past studies have shown that immigrants arriving in the U.S. tend to be youthful and healthy, they demand less from Social Security and Medicare than do native-born citizens. At least at this point they do not require these entitlements.

Source #1: Chiquiar, Daniel and Gordon Hanson. 2002. "International Migration, Self-Selection, and the Distribution of Wages: Evidence from Mexico and the United States," NBER Working Paper No. 9242.

posted on Nov, 19 2007 @ 12:40 PM

Originally posted by rockets red glare
reply to post by Zoltan

Well stated and prepared! The only reason that I can think of that our government would continue this if for the votes to remove the American constitution and replace it with a new document and usher in the N.A.U. and then enventually the new world order and one world government.

You are exactly right.

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