CNN Wages War On The VA Who Is Screwing Our Wounded Veterans, page 2

reply to post by camain

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elysiumfire, please review my first post. If my post was inflammatory, I apoligize. My beef isn't with treating the hurt and wounded. My beef is that by giving him/her a disability payment no strings attached for the rest of there life, you are enabling them to be a sloth on our society. I don't believe in welfare, S.S., or disability payments. Its a system designed to allow people to be lazy. I think they should all be scrapped and redone, but thats beside the point.

No strings attached, you have a good point, maybe he could trade one of his hands, some fingers, part of his skull, some of his brain and maybe his face for it. Oh... wait..

reply to post by camain

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I undertand your point but,

No matter how well you put your examples people get blinded by patriotism, but this is misguided, because a true patriot will be fighting against this senseless war that is creating a new wave of dependent to the system part of the population, on a system that is already saturated for lack of funds and a failing economy because we are fighting a trillion dollar war.

Yes the same way that our elderly are homeless and fighting for care and we are supporting an outrageous immigration problem and health care and on top of that our nation can not provide for the health care of its citizens and the poor now we will have to deal with the growing number of veterans coming from Iraq many to be supported by the system for life.

Guess what people right now our vets are becoming a growing problem as many are becoming homeless.

This is not a pretty picture, is not the American people the one failing them but our government the one that is doing this to them and then dumping the responsibility to be shared by the tax payer, how much can our nation afford this days.

I say stop the funding of the profiteers and create a special fund for our long term disable Iraqi war vets that no matter what will have to be taken care for life, we wanted or not.

reply to post by camain

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Lumping everyone together isnt gonna solve it either. There's a big difference between his situation and and someone with nail fungus or his situation and some crackhead living off the state pumping out child after child, as well as some pregnant illegal immigrant stumbling across the border just in time for her kid to be born and taken care of for life. Some people earn the right to be taken care of and this is a case.

Its not about how much we can afford as a nation, its about fixing the broken system, get the illegals off it, send em home, get the crackheads rehab and get em to work, and give the lazy motivation to get jobs so people like this Marine and other servicepeople can be taken care of like they deserve. You cant equate what they do to the guy slappin whoppers together or some stuffed shirt sittin behind a desk. These people chose to join the military, a job where your job description asks you to kill or be killed. Where you have a possibility to become just like the poor Marine in the first clip and they joined anyway. Some join for college, some for direction in life and some to protect the land and people they hold dear.

Some people seem to be blinded by the current war, its not their choice which wars they go to. They signed on to serve and defend this country and everything in it. If its patriotism for wanting to take care of the people who chose to defend me and my family then yeah I'm a Patriot, dont confuse it with any kind of political affiliation, because its not the case. You can try to obfuscate the issue with minutiae like inflation, one dollar two dollar, definition of comfort, etc. etc.. Boiled down, it comes to this, they DONT belong on the street or to be forgotten. They are the true heroes, maybe we should switch their benefits with the windbags in congress, that would fix it right there, problem solved.

reply to post by camain

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The recourse that you have at work is that you can sue to a great end to get the salary that you would have earned for the rest of your life...

It is much easier to sue a company or person than to sue the government.

I think it is ashame that people even question this, I am not saying we shouldn't have checks and balances but come on this guy has 70% of his skull missing underneath the skin they grafted from his hip or ass. and you want him to operate a fax machine with what the stubs where his hands used to be get real..

Another point of view to consider is the burden this young man would be by none of his own doing to an employer insurance costs high absence rate and so on and so forth...

I know there have been some problems and thanks to the media CNN FOX MSNBC these things get taken care of normally..

I truly hope that you don't treat me this way when I come back all shot to hell from defending your right to sit on your arm chair crusading ass and complain about someone getting financial aid for nearly dieing.. I am going back in the Army in February 2008 so I can defend what many won't YOUR Constitution..

I know this is inflammatory but sorry to say you really got my dander up on this post..



Respectfully
GEO
Father US Marine Vietnam
Brother US Marine Currently
Myself US army



[edit on 11/21/2007 by geocom]

Originally posted by geocom
reply to post by camain

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I truly hope that you don't treat me this way when I come back all shot to hell from defending your right to sit on your arm chair crusading ass and complain about someone getting financial aid for nearly dieing.. I am going back in the Army in February 2008 so I can defend what many won't YOUR Constitution..

Every thing in your post is fine up to this point, I disagree, as a woman with family members that has die for this nation when wars really meant something, I will say that you are not fighting for any of my freedoms of my constitutional rights.

Wars are fought for nothing more now than geopolitical reasons, greed and profits.

I hope and pray that you will come back in one piece for your family sake and yours.

And I will pray also that you will be able to get medical help if you get wounded.

But remember it was not for my freedom that you are fighting for, my grandfather did that and die for me already before I was born during WWII.

[edit on 21-11-2007 by marg6043]

reply to post by Dave Rabbit

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Just so everyone knows - I've been trying to publicize the story since 1987 - I learned while helping two vets (one Vietnam) that VA officials steal a great deal of the money people like these guys as supposed ot be getting. They rate the vets' disability high, juggle the records to pay him low and make it look legal, and syphon off the difference. It's a multi billion dollar scam the congress has been protecting for decades. Both of the vets I assisted, Sgt W.R. Benton and Hadley Washinton, were men experimented on by the MKULTRA program. Benton, who thought he had undergone electro-convulsive thereapy, was a cryptographer at the Pentagon. That might explain what happened to him. When I contacted (that's literally dozens of times) U.S. Senators and Congressmen with incontrovertible proof of what was happening, I was ignored. I also contacted all the major media, even went so far as Soldier of Fortune magazen. Nothing happened (except I got shot at, was attacked by motor vehicles and muggers, and escaped several poisoning attempts). Gentlemen, this country isn't what you think it is. I wrote a book about the matter, but a U.S. District Court ruled when I sued for records that disclosure to me would "irreparably damage the tax collection system of the U.S." (in order to cover, the IRS was ordered to attack me, and internal revenue made an excuse for concealing the records I sought). It's all on my site www.judoknighterrant.com