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E.T. War between Draco - Pleidian

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posted on Nov, 26 2007 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by Paul_Richard
First, it makes sense that most of the worlds that contain humanoid life are only of medieval technology. So they would not be part of a Galactic Order.


Why would the majority of worlds be at the medieval level?

It makes more sense to me that there are lots of different civilizations at all different levels of development. Some behind us in development, some at the same stage, some that are a few hundred or thousand years ahead of us - and some that are SO advanced, millions or billions of years ahead, that they would seem as Gods to us.




Fourth, regarding the notion of a Galactic Order, that idea is likened to a United Nations, and we know how ineffective they are in keeping peace


By the very actions of the aliens in subjugation, manipulation, and secrecy, what makes you think that they wish to have a peaceful and fair Galactic Order in the first place?


Well, I think it is unnatural to desire constant warfare and chaos. I think most people, in our civilization and in others out in Space as well, just want to live out their lives in peace, do some sort of work that they enjoy, raise a family etc.

As for the subjugation, manipulation and secrecy, it is my contention that that's been done by a relative handful of elite men, not by some vast Galactic Empire.





Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
But how is it that the ever-mighty Zetans can keep 57 races under their thumb so perfectly?

According to eyewitnesses to the debris of the alien spacecraft that crashed in Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947, the US Army threatened bodily harm to them if they talked to people about what they saw.

It worked.

Threatening people with stiff penalties is a very efficient method of keeping secrets. The government uses that approach all the time.

Why would it be any different for The Zetan Empire and the humanoid races that officially fall under them?


Okay, but threats don't mean much by themselves without military might to back them up.

Being able to keep 57 races in line with mere threats would imply that the Zetans have vast military capability, enough to perhaps defeat ALL of them in battle. Vast fleets and armies, "Death Stars" and everything.

It's akin to the US threatening 57 different countries, versus say, Madagascar threatening 57 different countries






Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
There are really NO races out there who have managed to remain independent of the unimaginably potent Zetan Empire?

Of course there are


Just not in our galaxy.


So you are basically saying that, for all intents and purposes, the Zetans rule/dominate the entire galaxy.

Noted,




According to the archaeological findings of Zecharia Sitchin, the Anunnaki (probably Zetan-Reptilians) first colonized this world about 450,000 years ago.


Think about that.

From then to now constitutes an extremely long period of time to explore, colonize, mine, and set up an infrastructure of military bases, supply outposts, manufacturing facilities, and subjugated planets - like this one.


Yes exactly, the kind of huge Empire you're talking about would require equally huge infrastructure and a huge military to keep everyone in line.





Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
I just find this very difficult to believe - especially when the Zetan Overlords are apparently so dumb as to allow their slaves to develop things like Nuclear Weapons which could be used against them....


They couldn't prevent the Manhattan Project either.


Many abductees have reported that the Zetans are very concerned about this world's development of nuclear weapons.

So yeah, if they could stop it completely, they would certainly do so.
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They couldn't prevent the development of nuclear weapons in the US in the 1940s because they had no occupational army at their disposal.


Well this is where I feel your theory falls apart, Paul.

Because on the one hand you say that the "Zetan Empire" rules not just our planet but the whole galaxy, they have at least 57 races under their control etc. Something which would require VAST infrastructure and a VAST military.

And yet for all their extensive military might, they can't even stop their human slaves from developing their own technology?

They couldn't prevent the Manhattan Project because they "had no occupational army"?


HUH?

They couldn't have prevented the Manhattan Project with a BOMB?

They control the whole galaxy, and yet for some reason they are afraid to even make their presence known and instead control us secretly from the shadows?






Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
WHY would the Zetan Overlords allow us the freedom to research and develop our own technology? WHY would they allow us to develop Nuclear Weapons? WHY would they allow us to retrieve crashed crafts and reverse-engineer them, develop ZPE and Anti-Gravity propulsion systems etc etc?


They were not ready to completely take us over - ergo the reason behind the long-term breeding program.

It isn't so easy to take over a world that has billions of people.

They now feel rushed to prepare to do so.


But again this makes no sense.

You say they have been around for hundreds of thousands of years. Well that's MORE than enough time to establish absolute and complete, totalitarian, OVERT control.

6 billion people is too many to control? But they've been around for thousands of years, they could have easily reduced our population with guns, or bombs, or some sort of supervirus or bio-weapon, any time they wanted.

Again, Paul, I think there are some massive inconsistencies in the theory you are espousing. The current situation on Earth does NOT make sense as the result of the manipulations of a vast Galactic Empire.

Such a Galactic Empire would NOT need to keep itself secret!!!
It would simply rule over us OVERTLY. We step out of line and start developing our own technology, start developing things like Nuclear Weapons - and they start dropping bombs on our heads in response.

The current situation on Earth DOES make sense as the result of the manipulations of a relatively small group of elite Humans - the Bilderberg group, World Bank and IMF, Rothschilds and Rockefellers, Black Nobility etc etc.

These elite men permitted things like the Manhattan Project and the reverse-engineering of ET craft to happen - as long as all the technology remains under THEIR control.

[edit on 26-11-2007 by MrdDstrbr]




posted on Nov, 26 2007 @ 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Why would the majority of worlds be at the medieval level?

Because just as it has happened with this planet, the rise and fall of civilization and technology, is cyclical. Even if they manage to achieve a certain degree of technological development, most of the time they won't stay that way.

Short answer: because of horrific wars



Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
It makes more sense to me that there are lots of different civilizations at all different levels of development. Some behind us in development, some at the same stage, some that are a few hundred or thousand years ahead of us - and some that are SO advanced, millions or billions of years ahead, that they would seem as Gods to us.

Compassion and godliness go hand in hand. In light of that, although there are Space Races or humanoid societies that have developed interstellar capability, there are no races that can be considered gods.


Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Fourth, regarding the notion of a Galactic Order, that idea is likened to a United Nations, and we know how ineffective they are in keeping peace


By the very actions of the aliens in subjugation, manipulation, and secrecy, what makes you think that they wish to have a peaceful and fair Galactic Order in the first place?


Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Well, I think it is unnatural to desire constant warfare and chaos. I think most people, in our civilization and in others out in Space as well, just want to live out their lives in peace, do some sort of work that they enjoy, raise a family etc.

Some want peace and many want war. That blend is where this planet is now.


Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
As for the subjugation, manipulation and secrecy, it is my contention that that's been done by a relative handful of elite men, not by some vast Galactic Empire.

Tell that to the many abductees.


Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Threatening people with stiff penalties is a very efficient method of keeping secrets. The government uses that approach all the time.

Why would it be any different for The Zetan Empire and the humanoid races that officially fall under them?


Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Okay, but threats don't mean much by themselves without military might to back them up.

Which the US Army and military in general had in 1947 (e.g., at Roswell) and also has now.


Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Being able to keep 57 races in line with mere threats would imply that the Zetans have vast military capability, enough to perhaps defeat ALL of them in battle. Vast fleets and armies, "Death Stars" and everything.

No, it does not.

An illustration...

Abductees have reported that the Nordics serve on Zetan spacecraft as security to protect the weaker Greys - especially the four foot tall variety - from their Terran (Homo sapien) prisoners.

Imagine an army of four foot tall Greys marched on us. They would have greater mobilization but keeping us in line on a one-to-one would prove difficult. Hence, the cultivation of the Hybrid army from the long-term breeding program.

As is evidenced by their actions hundreds of thousands of years ago, the Zetans don't like to get their fingernails (excuse me, pincers and claws) dirty. Instead of digging those mines for gold themselves, they first had robots and then had slaves do it.

That is precisely what the Reticulans are doing now. They don't want to fight us directly, hand-to-hand, so they are breeding an army that is more prepared to do so.

The 57 race awareness is neither here nor there. How many of those races are combat ready for an extensive battle and occupation HERE? Now THAT is a much better question



Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
So you are basically saying that, for all intents and purposes, the Zetans rule/dominate the entire galaxy.

Noted

Pretty much. They dominate the most planets and have the most battleships and probes to control their empire. A simple logical extrapolation.

Are there occasional skirmishes from within and from without?

Logic dictates that it does indeed happen.


Originally posted by Paul_Richard
According to the archaeological findings of Zecharia Sitchin, the Anunnaki (probably Zetan-Reptilians) first colonized this world about 450,000 years ago.


Think about that.

From then to now constitutes an extremely long period of time to explore, colonize, mine, and set up an infrastructure of military bases, supply outposts, manufacturing facilities, and subjugated planets - like this one.


Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Yes exactly, the kind of huge Empire you're talking about would require equally huge infrastructure and a huge military to keep everyone in line.

Correct.


Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
I just find this very difficult to believe - especially when the Zetan Overlords are apparently so dumb as to allow their slaves to develop things like Nuclear Weapons which could be used against them....

You mean like when the US government gave armaments to countries and terrorist organizations that eventually became their enemies?


Same idea.

Hindsight is 20/20.


Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
They couldn't prevent the Manhattan Project either.


Many abductees have reported that the Zetans are very concerned about this world's development of nuclear weapons.

So yeah, if they could stop it completely, they would certainly do so.

They couldn't prevent the development of nuclear weapons in the US in the 1940s because they had no occupational army at their disposal.


Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Well this is where I feel your theory falls apart, Paul.

Not quite.


Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Because on the one hand you say that the "Zetan Empire" rules not just our planet but the whole galaxy, they have at least 57 races under their control etc. Something which would require VAST infrastructure and a VAST military.

And yet for all their extensive military might, they can't even stop their human slaves from developing their own technology?

They couldn't prevent the Manhattan Project because they "had no occupational army"?


HUH?

They couldn't have prevented the Manhattan Project with a BOMB?

They control the whole galaxy, and yet for some reason they are afraid to even make their presence known and instead control us secretly from the shadows?

Remember what I stated about getting involved directly.

Reticulan leaders are rich, spoiled, fat, bureaucratic, parasitic space aliens. They crave the power of manipulating entire worlds from afar, like a huge chess game. They don't want to destroy this farm but to continue to harvest it selfishly.

Yet at the same time, they have no shielding or teleportation technology and will not send in their own official troops, keeping in mind that those soldiers have to be acclimated to our environment in order to be effective over the long haul. Their solution is to cultivate a Hybrid army through their Greys in order to maintain their control and overthrow the local governments officially and completely.

This way, the Reptilians and Preying Mantises remain in power from afar and avoid even the risk of injury. They watch the battles on television via their highly maneuverable and armed probes - like the probe that was shot down by the US Navy during Operation Desert Storm.


Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
You say they have been around for hundreds of thousands of years. Well that's MORE than enough time to establish absolute and complete, totalitarian, OVERT control.

They don't want totalitarian control unless that is the ONLY way to dominate a world. And they have been doing a pretty good job of harvesting us WITHOUT totalitarian control for thousands of years.

So they have a choice...

They destroy this civilization (again) with antimatter weapons, just as they did to the Atlantean (Atala) civilization.

Or...

They raise an army of Hybrids who are acclimated to this environment and who are trained to dominate us.


Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
6 billion people is too many to control? But they've been around for thousands of years, they could have easily reduced our population with guns, or bombs, or some sort of supervirus or bio-weapon, any time they wanted.

They did exactly that, as stated above, thousands of years ago.

They unleashed a wave of destruction on this planet that was so horrific that it not only caused The Great Flood (which is documented in various ancient cultures), but also worldwide earthquakes and the tilting of the planetary axis.


Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Again, Paul, I think there are some massive inconsistencies in the theory you are espousing.

There really are no inconsistencies and I address all your questions.


Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Such a Galactic Empire would NOT need to keep itself secret!!!
It would simply rule over us OVERTLY. We step out of line and start developing our own technology, start developing things like Nuclear Weapons - and they start dropping bombs on our heads in response.

Stealth, manipulation, and propaganda are all excellent tools in ANY war, all of which they use expertly.To destroy the farm is not their desire. Better to use it eternally.

When the Hybrid army is unleashed, their official overthrow will be made known to us:hey

Chess anyone?



[edit on 26-11-2007 by Paul_Richard]



posted on Nov, 26 2007 @ 09:28 PM
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Well this is just making less and less sense.

The entire point of our existence is to be gold-mining slaves for the Reticulans?

They started out with robots first and then decided to go with human gold-mining slaves instead? Huh?
Wouldn't robots be MORE efficient - and easier to control? You wouldn't need to breed a Hybrid army to keep robots under control.........

If we're only supposed to be gold-mining slaves, WHY would they ever allow us the freedom to develop technology? When they could very easily prevent that?

It's simple: if any slaves are foolish enough to stop mining gold and wander off to develop technology - you zap them with lasers or drop a bomb on them. You'd barely even need a Hybrid occupational army, this could all be done from their spacecrafts.

Breeding a Hybrid army to officially establish brute-force control over us? Well why is it taking so long? You said the Zetans have been here for 450,000 years, so why didn't they breed the Hybrid occupational army like 449,850 years ago? Why wait until the 20th century to get started?

You say the proof of ALL of this is the Abductees. Well has it not occurred to you that maybe the Abductees are being deceived and brainwashed? That various mind-control methods and technologies are used on them to make them believe all these bizarre things that have NO basis in actual fact?

Honestly, a mighty Galactic Empire that can't even prevent it's slaves from developing their own technology?

Again, I am sorry to sort of rip into you like this Paul, but I think your theory is in need of a major overhaul.......



posted on Nov, 26 2007 @ 10:19 PM
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Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
The entire point of our existence is to be gold-mining slaves for the Reticulans?

Initially, yes, then they had other ideas. Like mating with humans for example, alluded to in the Bible.


Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
They started out with robots first and then decided to go with human gold-mining slaves instead? Huh?

That was straight from the archaeological findings of Zecharia Sitchin.

Robots were found to be less economical than slaves. Which actually makes sense. Slaves can be made to grow their own food and reproduce.


Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
If we're only supposed to be gold-mining slaves, WHY would they ever allow us the freedom to develop technology? When they could very easily prevent that?

One scenario is that one faction wanted a tribe to have it and the others did not. So the former quietly cultivated their own little sub-experiment. Perhaps they were punished for it in the long run by the others.


Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
It's simple: if any slaves are foolish enough to stop mining gold and wander off to develop technology - you zap them with lasers or drop a bomb on them.

Which is exactly what happened when Atlantis/Atala was destroyed.

Slaves don't wander off to develop technology. It takes decades of education and training for any primitive people to even start to cultivate advanced weapons.


Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Breeding a Hybrid army to officially establish brute-force control over us? Well why is it taking so long? You said the Zetans have been here for 450,000 years, so why didn't they breed the Hybrid occupational army like 449,850 years ago? Why wait until the 20th century to get started?

A hundred years ago we were barely capable of air flight. See how far we have come in a relatively short period of time. Our technology is developing to the point of being a threat to their domination. We can shoot down their probes and we can blow a hole in their strong metal alloys. Now our citizens, with not much of a financial investment, can purchase night vision equipment and see through their cloaking devices and videotape their spacecraft and probes at night and during the day.


Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
You say the proof of ALL of this is the Abductees. Well has it not occurred to you that maybe the Abductees are being deceived and brainwashed? That various mind-control methods and technologies are used on them to make them believe all these bizarre things that have NO basis in actual fact?

Your appraisal is partially correct. For example, abductees are brainwashed with screen memories so that they believe that the Greys have godlike powers, i.e., the ability to walk through walls, teleport, read minds, etc. That is why those ideas are so prevalent in the UFO-abductee community.


Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Honestly, a mighty Galactic Empire that can't even prevent it's slaves from developing their own technology?

Honestly, can you always predict the outcome of any experiment with a humanoid race you know little about?


Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Again, I am sorry to sort of rip into you like this Paul, but I think your theory is in need of a major overhaul.......

The Zetans are not omnipotent. They have flaws, misconceptions, and prejudices. What you don't seem to understand is that there can be an empire that has drawbacks. In fact, it is the karma of every empire to fall.

For if they had only little flaws, they would not be an empire in the first place, but a spiritually progressive society.


Expect to see many weaknesses in the Zetan military machine. These will become more obvious and well-known over time.




posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 06:10 AM
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I would like to thank PR for the biggest laugh since the Chris Angel Discussion Fan Club.

Your about turn on the Gentleman the moment you found out about his anti-psychic agenda was superb. With CA you demonstrated the absolute knowledge, foresightedness and perspicacity of General Custer when he thought he was going to surround all those Indians (oops sorry, Indigenous Americans..my apologies Sera!!).

Your defence of the indefensible was admirable...but unfortunately it flavours my response to your other work. You have too much time to waste here going on the length of your posts...but I believe that is a technique you used in other discussions...that an using the ignore button.

So I suggest anyone who reads your posts here and don't have their sides splitting with laughter, should read the Chris Angel Discussion before putting any heed to what you say


I do not believe in any of this Draco - Pleidian nonsense. Can I prove it? NO...I can't prove a negative. But you sir have no absolutes to back what you say. A few selective pages from the internet is not proof. I am now awaitting your use of Qi-Kinesis to explain away the multitude of Alien encounters...and if not Qi-Kinesis..then whatever the latest bunkem term you have read about on the internet.

One of my major problems with the whole "Draco - Pleidian" and whomever nonsense is the fact that is referred to as that. Surely, in any real contact with another species one of the first things you ask is where do you come from? Why the hell would they refer to their homeworld in Earth related terms?

The whole thing is bunkem...and exists in the minds of the deluded, faithful believers and fools.

I see no proof of god, Santa Claus, Toothfairy or Draco / Pleidian aliens. Do any of these exist? I don't know. It is possible they all do...but it is also possible that I will wake up one morning able to speak French, with Mélissa Theuriau giving me a good time, having won the biggest ever lottery prize. Possible not probable.

Maybe my burden of proof is a bit higher than some internet "research" or a chance conversation in a pub after many Scotches or maybe even an evening of chemically enhanced enlightenment...That's all....

Basically, humans are lying, delusional, flawed beings..and I include me here.....so I trust nothing anyone says...without deep study of context and veracity of evidence. That is why with all this "proof" (and the tinfoil UFO community are changing the meaning of that word:lol
I go to bed with no fear of being anally probed, or mounted by a Nordic...or being kidnapped for a bit of indoctrination.



posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 06:51 AM
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Keep your rants, however useless, to the subject at hand


If you have what you think is a point about Criss Angel, post it in the appropriate thread.



[edit on 27-11-2007 by Paul_Richard]



posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 08:00 AM
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So when does the TV series start?

Oh, by the way, have I missed the bit where all sentient lifeforms in the galaxy were seeded by an ancient race, hence why they all look virtually the same? That's the big problem with so many of these stories - the aliens aren't, well, alien, even though they supposedly evolved ion different planets with different gravity, around different sequence stars, with different chemical compositions ....

Still, always handy knowing a tiny drop of selenium kills all known pleiadeans



posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 04:12 PM
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I've read most of Zecharia Sitchin's books and I don't remember him talking about robots or reptilians. I thought he said that originally the Annunaki mined the gold themselves, however it was hard work and they didn't like it and eventually the Annunaki mining the gold revolted.

So the leaders took primitive man that was already living on Earth and made a hybrid of sorts of homo sapiens and themselves. The original hybrids couldn't replicate themselves (i.e. they couldn't breed) and so "birth goddesses" or Annunaki surrogate mothers had to give birth to them. This was eventually deemed inconvenient and the hybrids were changed genetically so they could reproduce. These reproducing primitive human/annunaki hybrids according to Sitchin are us. We are descended from the slaves created to mine gold to fix the atmosphere on Nibiru.

At least that's what Sitchin thinks...or I must have totally missed the robot references.



posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by Essan

Oh, by the way, have I missed the bit where all sentient lifeforms in the galaxy were seeded by an ancient race, hence why they all look virtually the same? That's the big problem with so many of these stories - the aliens aren't, well, alien, even though they supposedly evolved ion different planets with different gravity, around different sequence stars, with different chemical compositions ....


I kind of hinted at that when I mentioned "Noah's Ark"


It's possible that a very highly advanced race might decide to start "seeding" the galaxy with life in that sort of way. Find a suitable planet (or Terraform an unsuitable one), send a "Noah's Ark" there to get things started, and thousands of years later - presto! One "Earth"-like world filled with life!



posted on Dec, 1 2007 @ 04:23 PM
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New Link here on our very Own ATS!!

Showing some rather startling large craft near the sun.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Dec, 4 2007 @ 11:36 AM
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Oh, My, God!!!!!

I can't believe this is still going on.


What a joke.

Where is the invasion already????

When they come down here and start shooting people with lasers, phasers, em rays or whatever, then I'll believe it.

until then its all B.S.



posted on Dec, 4 2007 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by ProfTom
Where is the invasion already????

When they come down here and start shooting people with lasers, phasers, em rays or whatever, then I'll believe it.

until then its all B.S.


Are you volunteering to be the first person to be all shot up with lasers, phasers and EM rays then?



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 10:32 AM
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Yep, I volunteer. I want to be first. I want to be the one.

Hah! Hah! Hah!

I could kick the crap out of any alien being any day of the week with one hand tied behind my back!!!

What the heck are they waiting for? If they are all around us why not just start the killling???

Let's go, I'm calling out all you aliens, whatever species or planet your from.

Well, I'm waiting...



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 11:23 AM
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Why so eager to fight?

Wouldn't it be better if they are here for Peace?



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 11:32 AM
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Yoda, when speaks, at end sentence verbs he places. Hmmmm?



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 11:42 AM
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hmmm?

The real Yoda in the movies did, yes.

I'm just a big fan of his. I don't actually talk that way!



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by ProfTom
Yep, I volunteer. I want to be first. I want to be the one.

Hah! Hah! Hah!

I could kick the crap out of any alien being any day of the week with one hand tied behind my back!!!

What the heck are they waiting for? If they are all around us why not just start the killling???

Let's go, I'm calling out all you aliens, whatever species or planet your from.

Well, I'm waiting...


I have a feeling the Poop will hit the fan very soon..

If things really are at a flashpoint & the Dracs, Reticulans & Tall Whites refuse to leave.

Don't expect it to be a quick & decisive war. Those luttle buggers are dug in & it's entierly possiblt that the Earth will take some major hits in short order to get rid of these guys.

Personally, I don't think either side will be any good for Earth. Earth is prolly in a stratigic location of some sort. Otherwise it wouldn't be worth all the trouble..lol

I don't think we'll get a chance to fight though, we're just gunna get caught in the crossfire. Lets just hope that none of those motherships actually get shot down, cause they would make quite a big crater..hehe

Thats assuming all this info comming in is truthful and accurate.

I have no doubt that ther Dracs & Grays are here. But as to the Nordics & other races, hell they might just be a figment of someones imagination & the grays are just gunna do a kulling/harvesting & turn the rest of us into pets.


There's soo mush disinformation going round, one really dosen't know what to believe.



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 07:26 PM
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hi my friend, mmm the thing is that those ships operate in the infrared, so no normal telescopes cant see them,but ad infrared to the telescope and poof, there they are i think even that if we would ad more infrared cams out there we would see them all day and night hovering over our heads as we speak,

1 nice proof is the STS footage. not visible with the normal eye but with the nasa cams yup they operate in the infrared

2 there is some nice video on youtube just dont remember where the vid is its in mexico, guy has 2 cams at the same time 1 same place normal 1 same place infrared, and poef on 1 you see the disk other you dont and no no editing.

so yep think the ufos are around us day and night just that we dont see them mm cloaked more or less.



Originally posted by isitmagic
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Jose E. has a movie out dedicated to these things he sees.
They are really far our there and hard to even tell whats going on from the pictures I;ve seen...
If this was anywhere near total disclosure, it would be in the news way more often and even mentioned on here way more often.

We dont even know if these "Dracos" and the Pleidian's exist... where is the proof?

People can make these statements all they want, but so far I dont see any proof of any of these alien races to begin with.

Give us something more than 'he says she says' and then it will be taken more seriously.
This sound slike a sci-fi novel.

All these races gathering about Earth?
Dont you think other people would see them by now? Tons of people have some GOOD telescopes and check out space and I dont really hear reports of lizards on ships gather about Earth.

edit: I thought I would add... dont think I am someone that goes into threads and tries to debunk everything because I also believe in ETs... its just that I dont believe this is disclosure and I dont know if I believe about all these races and you saying something about 3 hundred-thousan humans on mars... dont you think that would have been noticed?

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posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 08:02 PM
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Do we have proof that "God" exists? if so let me know...
bible says allot about some event, but rewritten many times so we people understand it better. see the bible as the forums today of a UFO story that happened many years ago.

Most believe in a supreme being called many names, but ... no one ever proofed that they are real and really existed. men is still looking for the all important question, where do we come from, did god created us? or did we just came to be, so actually people that say that people that believe in aliens are "Nuts" also say that people that believe in "GOD" and "Other supreme beings" are nuts that is about 90% of the world.

i rest my story here.


Originally posted by isitmagic
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Jose E. has a movie out dedicated to these things he sees.
They are really far our there and hard to even tell whats going on from the pictures I;ve seen...
If this was anywhere near total disclosure, it would be in the news way more often and even mentioned on here way more often.

We dont even know if these "Dracos" and the Pleidian's exist... where is the proof?

People can make these statements all they want, but so far I dont see any proof of any of these alien races to begin with.

Give us something more than 'he says she says' and then it will be taken more seriously.
This sound slike a sci-fi novel.

All these races gathering about Earth?
Dont you think other people would see them by now? Tons of people have some GOOD telescopes and check out space and I dont really hear reports of lizards on ships gather about Earth.

edit: I thought I would add... dont think I am someone that goes into threads and tries to debunk everything because I also believe in ETs... its just that I dont believe this is disclosure and I dont know if I believe about all these races and you saying something about 3 hundred-thousan humans on mars... dont you think that would have been noticed?

[edit on 17-11-2007 by isitmagic]


[edit on 8-12-2007 by newworldnews2007]



posted on Dec, 9 2007 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by keeff
"Those who believe, need no proof. Those who do not believe, any amount of proof will be insufficient."

just heard that quote on a TV show, just thought i would throw that in.


Thanks for that one, Keeff. This one isnt about wether aliens are real or not, its about a possible war going on there between the good guys and the bad guys.
Alex Collier seems to know a lot about this. Personally, i think it must be real, allthough ive never come across any solid proof of it. What can i say, i'm a believer




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