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About Dubourg's Midrashic Hypothesis - An answer to Acharya S., ZeitGeistTheMovie et al.

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posted on Nov, 17 2007 @ 11:28 AM
To say all, Zeitgeist the movie is a digest of the researches by a [pretty blond-haired] religion student self called Acharya S. (among some other Illuminati and 911 stuff) who all in all just re-discovered the almost forgotten works of a certain Gerald Massenet, XIXth century french mythologist who got into egyptians stories as Napoleon had recently conquered the place.

Massenet, in a way that today gives the critics about Eliade researches as too-easy-linking-between-different-cultural-entities, discovered, then decided to methodically point out all the analogies between ancient deities, specially about names and roles of Gospell's main caracters. Lazarus was so linked to Ausare, Christ with Horus (or the same Ausare-Osiris for the sacrifice aspect), Mary and Isis, Maria-Magdalena and Nephtys, Herod with Seth, etc.

The Jesus story is barely recorded by the talmudic jewish community, whose "cultural center" was destroyed by Roma in 70 ce : a "Yeshu", depicted as one of of the biggest heretics in history, but not much details are given about neither his preach nor his life. Contemporaries observers like Flavius Josephe, jewish historian that passed to roman party, somewhat named the figure of J-C, but most of these kinds of references are now believed to have been added late after to the original writings, in a propagandical way.

Anyway, if what Massenet points out can't be dismissed as entirely constructed, his explanation of the gospel writing process as a sort of forgery founded on egyptian mythologies translations could be used against his proper thesis in a way that backs up the jew-christian structural aims and implications. Moreover, his hermeneutics gives way to another approach of the christics enigma, that the "Midrashic hypothesis" of Bernard Dubourg explains through differently, while still explaining Christ as a mainly fictional figure created to save the Jewish Faith from roman destruction.

The Dubourg's theory matches some (-rather widely unknown-) operative, genetic (as 'poïetic') structures inherent to jewish tradition. As its name indicates it, the Midrashic Hypothesis claims that Gospels have been written through the traditional jewish text elaboration methode that the Midrashes historically illustrate, where thoughts are materialized by figures whose actions lead to expose some deeper truth that the entire story tends to so enlighten.

While Romans were destroying the Second Temple, some jews took exemple of some existing (or not, according to some most radical view) social activist to integrate in its story, meant from begining to somewhat become mythic, the SYNTHESIS of all JEWS teachings. Doing so, a people who was aware of being on the verge of its annihilation, tried to synthetise its entire tradition in the form of a single, easy-to-remember "apologetic" story.

This could quite explain the intrusion of popular myth well known at this time by crowds crawling in a common paradigma made of the different beliefs out of dozens of differents traditions, moreover all developed from a sumero-brahmano-egypto-phenician common ground. Mithra vs the Bull, but also Osiris and Horus vs Seth, Enlil vs Enki, are all foundable within the Gospell's lines, as well as in Tanakh (Hebraïc Bible) : Caïn and Abel ("En-Ki" and "En-Lil") are clearly evoked in the Bible as two fighting brothers.

Massenet, Acharya and the ZeitGeist-the-film writer all get wrong by getting in the easy temptation of the "fakery" argument.

The Gospel as a Midrash explanation makes light on the crypto-references through the theory of collective unconscious integrating all levels of general culture into one synthesis of differents threads of popular (or/while initiatic) wisdom. Also blind allusions to Mary, Horus, Mithra, all solar gods, sacrified entities or ressurected heroes can be refered to as a way to transmit [QBL] a gnosis that transcends the formalism of such symbologies.


[edit on 17-11-2007 by Rigel]

posted on Nov, 17 2007 @ 12:03 PM
In the general context of a Temple destroyed by the Roman army around 70, leading to the dispatching of the nation of Israel throughout roman empire, and the turning of Israel into Palestine,

A community decide to spread a new message of a spiritual kingdom as announced, according to them, by twenty centuries of jewish tradition throughout twenty-four prophets whose message tends to progressively twist toward some spiritual redemption gnosis.

A "saviour" appears finally from this very tradition, that had prepared through the cult of some "Master of Wisdom" the event of his historical intronisation - this, all along a tradition of teachings aiming to establish some holy community whose morality wouldd have been a practical application of strict mosaïc law and ethics.

When the preach was made by the Spiritual Messiah in the person of the historical Yeshua who died under the roman rule, hagiographical
accounts of his live and death were written through the MIDRASHIC METHODOLOGY - in which parabolas and hyperboles are constructed in order to embodied some moral values, - and names can then be taken from popular mythological heroes, like Lazarus from Osiris-Ausarus, as a way to integrate differents threads within the single story - in a way common to ancient philology consistant with the preeminancy of oral traditions over scriptural ones and the formation of myth in general.

When the "strategy" has unfold to its entire extend, the texts are "regulated" (cannonised), then taken as a foundation of an entire new worship, i.e. a new religion.

Catholicism and protestant churches could not be what the first christians thought as their very ideal assembly, but the entire evangelic process undoubtly proceeds from some midrashic, personalizing, gnostic view of the hebrew Bible -or Tanakh- dynamic prescriptions. Dynamic, as evoluting through Israël spiritual history, finally leading to a spiritual paradigm that christianism achieves and realizes.

Without analyzing here how much prophets do prepare to the shift, and keeping away the question of a gnose as the most promising part of the christic revelation, the christic paradigm can be described as a way to primarly resist to Roman ethic and laws. Even if the christian paradigm will actually transform roman institutions after Constantine conversion in the fourth century.

The practices of the first christians could well be the opposite that what are trying to debunk Acharya S., ZeitGeist as well as did Massenet in his times, if not Blavatsky on her ways.

Anarcho-Communism founded in the reign of the lower and the end of private porperty, the partaking of all goods, the harmony of deeds through ethic of altruism.

The somewhat aquarian neofeminist accents of miss Acharya's text and speeches - with all respect due to her researches and claims - as well as the Freedom-Fighter fragrance that gently emanates from the trendy ZeitGeist, both sounds like some wrong attempt to assimilate judeo-christianism to some New World Order of which Illuminaties would be the modern operating version - while roman christianism and protestant faith would be the deceiving result of some century-long conspiracy.

Oppositely, radical christianism, viewing individual spirit, so every life, as directly granted by God, make the foundation of a possible radically free society, where absolutely NO SOCIAL HIERARCHY subsists.

NWO will try, if established, to play on that free society option as a way to cover its own perspectives, but keeping on the money system and private property dynamics.

A Radical Christic Society would promote property as a theft and gratuity as a right, while all social hierarchy would be merged into a collaborative, rhizomatic ethic where everybody equals anybody.

Time to get up, fight and resist.

[edit on 17-11-2007 by Rigel]

posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 05:01 PM
I love intellegent posts. Thank you. Have you read any of John Allegro's theory on the meanings behind the myths?

posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 05:16 PM
reply to post by hollyavila

Thank you HollyAvila. I don't know John Allegro's theories, - thanks for the tip.

posted on Feb, 28 2008 @ 09:09 PM

This is some pretty heavy woo from one of the authors of Astro-Theology and Shamanism. Jan Irvin

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