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Originally posted by DSO
1) It all started with the climate scientests that required funding. In order to secure funding they created this "crisis".
Originally posted by vox2442
Funny - when I opened this thread, I was thinking the exact opposite:
[edit on 17-11-2007 by vox2442]
Originally posted by Terrylynn
Since 1979, according to satellites and high-altitude balloons, the planet has begun to cool.
Second, of the 200 billion tons of carbon dioxide released annually into the atmosphere, 95 percent is the work of nature, only 5 percent the work of man. Mankind’s contribution to any global warming is largely inconsequential.
Finally, even if global warming is occurring, there is no reason to fear it. According to scientists, the Earth has warmed up by 5 to 9 degrees since the Ice Age. Were it not for that warming, much of the United States would still be glacier country.
Originally posted by Indy
Global temperatures have leveled off since 1998.
Also if you compare CO2 plots with temperature plots you'll see that CO2 changes lag BEHIND temperature changes. Indicating that CO2 changes are a result of and not a cause of temperature change. I did a small report on this back in Feb of 2007.
Originally posted by rockets red glare
reply to post by DSO
There is no $ in disproving man made global warming!
Originally posted by melatonin
Not really. What we had was a very strong El Nino year in 1998. Even if you actually cherrypick the data from 1998 onwards, there is still an upwards statistical trend.
Moroever, the GISS data set has 2005 as warmer than 1998, whereas, Hadley 1998>2005. Thus, it takes a double cherrypick to assess the data in this way, and when you do, there is still a degree of warming trend.
Here is where you have to stop and think about the numbers and understand where they are going. 1998 was the warmest year on record. I don't think many would dispute that. 2005 was the 2nd warmest year on record. Because of the 2005 ranking keep in mind that the numbers for 2002, 2003 and 2004 will be one notch lower than I am going to list. These numbers were the ranks at the time they happened. 2002 was the 2nd warmest year on record (now 3rd warmest). 2003 was the 3rd warmest on record. 2004 was the 4th warmest on record. 2006 was the 6th year on record.
Originally posted by Indy
There isn't a warming trend. It ended.
1998 marked the end of the warming trend. We like to do damage control by calling it an exceptional el nino but it is what it is.
So are we going to start discounting numbers from any year that there has been an el nino? I think not. 1998 was the warmest. With the exception of 2005 there has been a downward trend in global temperatures since then.
That is what I discovered when looking up global temperature ranks. I don't see how anyone could get warming trend out of that.
Lets pretend that 1998 wasn't the warmest and that with the exception of 2005 that the following years weren't subsequently cooler. Today's temps still aren't as warm as what was experienced during the medieval warm period. You don't need models, projections, forecasts, worst case scenarios, etc. This is just historical fact.