Official Green Bay Packers Fan Thread, page 2

reply to post by DarkHelmet

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I think if they win or go to the Super Bowl, he'll be done. Better to go out on top than stay too long.

I personally think he could play another three years though.

reply to post by NovusOrdoMundi

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I'm a Seahawks fan but I do like Favre and the Pack. I guess that Cowboys game is looking bigger and bigger huh?

I'm going to root for old man Favre but I'll give the Cowboys an edge since they are playing in Dallas..

Prediction:

Cowboys 27 Packers 20

reply to post by SpeakerofTruth

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Of course Dallas won't be playing to lose. Who does play to lose other than teams going for the #1 pick?

But just as you said Dallas will be playing harder because they know homefield will go through Green Bay if they don't win, couldn't you make the same case for Green Bay playing harder so they get Dallas to have to come to Lambeau?

To truly get an idea of who may win this, you gotta break down the teams.


Green Bay Offense vs Dallas Defense

Green Bay is the number one passing offense with 298.8 yards per game. Dallas' pass defense is 16th in the league, giving up 211 a game.

Now, I don't know Dallas' defensive backs all that well aside from Roy Williams and Terence Newman, but Green Bay has seven dangerous options to pass to. You could make the case that Favre is the one that makes them dangerous, but the fact is, Driver, Jennings, Jones, Martin, Lee, Robinson, and Grant can all catch, and can all run.

Given that Green Bay passes more than they run, and they put a lot of these guys out there every play, Dallas will have to focus on covering these guys rather than pass rushing. No pass rush means Green Bay can sneak a few good runs in here and there, and it means Favre will have time to throw the ball.

Dallas does seem to have a good run defense, and typically you have to open up your running game in order to open up your passing game, but I think Green Bay has done the opposite this year. Their passing game has been so good that Ryan Grant has been able to step in and open up a running game.

So I'm not sure what Dallas is going to do. Are they going to stick to their strength and stop the run and try to force the passing game down? Or are they going to try and put everything in to stopping Favre and make Grant beat them?


Dallas Offense vs Green Bay Defense

Dallas is the number three passing offense with 274.2 yards a game. Green Bay's defense is the number 18 ranked defense, giving up 213 yards a game. So it's close to the same situation here as it is Green Bay's offense vs Dallas' defense.

The big question is - can Tony Romo beat Green Bay's defense? Is he good enough? Does he have enough under his belt to take that next step and truly show up in a huge game like this? In the huge game he played earlier against New England, he threw for 199 yards, 2 TD's, and an interception. Yes, it is New England and there is a difference, but this is still a huge game. Is he easily bothered by pressure? That'll be key.

T.O. is going to have to face two of the best corners in the league in Woodson and Harris, and if he comes over the middle, he'll have to deal with two very good linebackers in Hawk and Barnett. I'm not saying he'll be shut down. He'll get his catches, of course. But I wouldn't expect a 150+ yards and 4 TD type of game.

So that leaves it up to Crayton. Can he produce and give T.O. and Romo a little help? He's been really inconsistent and has dropped passes at times.

I don't expect Witten to be easily guarded. He's going to get his catches. That may be the weapon that Romo will have to use. If he doesn't go to him often, Dallas may not put up a whole lot of points. Against good tight ends, such as Gonzalez and Gates, the Packers gave up 100+ yards to both of them, and Gonzalez scored a TD. If I was Dallas, I'd go to Witten often.

Dallas seems to have a fairly good running game, but it remains to be seen whether they'll be able to get past Green Bay's run defense. In four games against Tomlinson, A. Peterson, and Larry Johnson, they gave up 272 rushing yards and 1 TD. That's 68 yards a game average. So they do have a fairly good run defense.

Overall, I think Dallas and Green Bay are very close. Their run defense rankings are close. Their pass defense rankings are close. Their pass offense rankings are close. The run offense rankings aren't close, but Green Bay seems to have found their guy now and it's starting to pick up. He's no Tomlinson or Peterson, but he's good enough to help out Favre's passing game.

Also, both Dallas and Green Bay have a near exact opponent's combined record/strength of schedule. Both lost in ways that you shake your head at; Green Bay lost a trap game that could have EASILY gone the other way, and Dallas lost to a team that just doesn't look like they can be beat. A loss is a loss, I realize that. But still - both losses seem a little iffy as long as we're talking about how close both could be to being undefeated.

The only difference I can see that may play a part is Dallas has had a couple games where they kinda pulled it out in the end and could have easily lost.

They're both good teams, though. It'll be a good game. It'll be a tough game for both.

Take my biased assessment of the game how you will.

Green Bay: 34
Dallas: 28




[edit on 11/19/07 by NovusOrdoMundi]

reply to post by SpeakerofTruth

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There's no way Green Bay is 9-1 without Favre. But the fact is, they do have Favre, and things are working. So yeah, they are young, and they aren't the same without Favre, but as long as things are working, then I don't consider that an issue.

If they truly go after Romo, Kampman and KGB will get to him. And even if KGB doesn't, Kampman definitely will at least once. He's too good. He's beaten many offensive lineman this year already.

Green Bay will show a lot of four and five wide receiver sets. They usually do. Whether they run or pass, though, is a different story.

[edit on 11/19/07 by NovusOrdoMundi]

reply to post by Musky

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I have the pleasure of listening to the whining on the television and radio when the Lions get their ass kicked (I live just north of Detroit..). It should be quite entertaining.

I know what Rod Marinelli is going to say in his press conference the next day. He says the same thing every week they lose. "These are men, now. This is on me. We're going to dust ourselves off, and we're going to get back to work. This is on me. I'm already looking to next week. We're going to get this fixed."

Same thing week after week. If you've heard one Marinelli press conference, you've heard them all.

Here we go......

Green Bay - The Green Bay Packers acknowledged Monday that the National Football League is investigating whether their players broke league rules by paying teammates for certain in-game goals.

The league prohibits players and teams "from offering or accepting bonuses to a player for his or his team's performance against a particular team, a particular opposing player or players, or a particular group of an opposing team."

ESPN reported Sunday that Packers defensive backs offered $500 to each of the team's defensive linemen if they held Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson to fewer n 100 yards in their Nov. 11 matchup.

Peterson finished the game with 45 yards in 11 carries, in part because he left the game with a right knee injury on a tackle by cornerback Al Harris, not a defensive lineman.

Source

I can see it now. Everybody is going to start saying Green Bay is cheating and they intentionally hurt Adrian Peterson and Larry Johnson

I can understand why it's a rule, but I truly hope people don't start accusing Green Bay of cheating. I don't see how this "bounty" would change the game. The defensive lineman, or whoever else, still has to get to that player, and still has to stop them or take them down.

Both the Larry Johnson and Adrian Peterson tackles were clean, normal football hits, as well.

General manager Ted Thompson later said the team was cooperating with the inquiry and thought the players might not have known about the rule.

"We, certainly in management, knew of the prohibition on something like that," Thompson said. "We're not convinced the players knew about it and that would be a communication snafu and that would be my responsibility."

What TT said there, I gained a lot of respect for him. I've been on him about some of his free agency moves, but standing up and taking responsibility, whether it's his fault or not, is a classy move by him and eliminates all the finger pointing that could be a distraction.

I think that if there were players that put these "bounties" on players, they should be fined, and not suspended. Hell, if we can only take away a draft pick, that will most likely be the last pick of the first round anyway, from New England for spying, then why should these guys get anything more than a fine?

I don't think it's right to put bounties on players, but I also don't think it changes the outcome of the game. Those are professional football players on the other side of the ball too. They still have to perform. The Packers still have to stop them. A measly $500 (to them) isn't going to make a difference.

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