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Peter proved that Jesus was just a man

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posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 07:48 AM
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In Matthew 14:29 Peter walked on water. He even did this before he was baptized and converted. By doing this he dispels the myth that Jesus was a God and he was just a man.
Another instance of a regular man walking on water is the story in this article.
ezinearticles.com...

and please don't start with all that fake Criss angel stuff where he clearly walks on plexiglass and pays a bunch of fake, sorry actors to whoop and holler.




posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 08:29 AM
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Keep seeking and searching and you may stumble on the rock yourself.

Most websites and most people aren't reliable as their father is the greatest author of confusion.



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 08:34 AM
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So your contention is that God didn't have the power to allow Peter to walk on water (after Peter asked Jesus if he could come out there)? What does baptism have to do with God's hand moving?



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 08:34 AM
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reply to post by WiseSheep
 


so the only thing you can say to refute a claim that is actually quite legitimate (and something i hadn't thought of) is that the website is satan's work?

honestly, just stuff that kind of "argument"

peter walks on water
...so, i guess it's not really a divinity thing

the argument works



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
so the only thing you can say to refute a claim that is actually quite legitimate (and something i hadn't thought of) is that the website is satan's work?


Did I mention The website? Did I mention satan? On the level on which you believe, I may as well have mentioned the tooth fairy's evil sister.

What's it to you?


Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
...so, i guess it's not really a divinity thing


Faith is a substance. A gift that cannot be earned. Only asked for and waited on.


Step out on your nearest lake during the nice hot summer, knowing for an absolute fact you will not sink.



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 08:56 AM
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i call spin, rubbish and trash talk.

one verse of the bible in isolation can be twisted anywhich way, matthew 14:28 reads ''Peter said to Him, "Lord, if it is You, command me to come to You on the water."'' link, taken in context, jesus commanded it, further prooving his divinity.

at least make the effort to read the line directly preceeding your quotation before posting this crap.



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 09:32 AM
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I don't get the argument being presented here. Jesus himself admitted he could only do what he did because God allowed him. Why shouldn't God allow someone else to be able to do the same? The disciples were able to heal people. Jesus even said they had the power (I forget, was it to cure madness, or to raise the dead?) if they fasted and prayed.

Personally I don't believe in the divinity of Jesus (divinity in the sense that he reached a level that any other person could not reach) either, but I don't often see anyone say "Jesus was God/Son of God because he walked on water".

While I don't believe in the sacrifice Jesus made for the sins of humanity either, it would be a pretty pointless sacrifice if Jesus was God- God becomes man, man sacrifices himself for humanity and dies, comes back to life after 3 days- Whoop-di-do. Where is the sacrifice if you came back to life?
Some say that it was a sacrifice because Jesus was full man as well as full God, and faced all the temptations of man and overcame them. Then, I say, any man (who was lived without sin) should have been able to do the same. If you say a man CANNOT live without sin, then Jesus was ONLY able to do what he did because he was God, and hence his sacrifice is worthless.



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 09:46 AM
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interesting point, however i think the suffering was the sacrafice, not the death, dying is supposed to mean very little to christians, because of enternal life, however suffering for your faith is held in high regard, and the purer the life, the more the sufferance, or so it seems to go.



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 11:26 AM
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But Peter fell, so If Jesus was divine Peter would not have fallen...Gods don't fail or when they command something it happens right?



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 12:15 PM
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If you believe you can do something, you will. Peter had godly faith at that moment, wavered in his humanity, then fell. The OP's argument is null when faith and it's power is understood in the context of the Bible.



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 12:21 PM
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Peace greetings ALL,

Nowhere in any translation of Scripture is anyone asked to confess "Jesus is God". It is only asked the we confess that Yahshua is the Messiah the son of the living Yahweh. (I Yahchanan 4:15; 6:69; Mattithyah 16:16). It is only those who teach false doctrine that ask their followers to cofess "Jesus is God".



To Believe "Jesus Is God" Is To Be Deceived!

[edit on 11/16/07 by Frank4YAHWEH]



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 12:23 PM
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We all have free will. Peter did good and then he doubted god and thus sank. And as far as walking on water is concerned. Walking on water, levetation, manifesting objects from thin air. All this stuff is not exclusive to christianity, Jesus and other christain saints. The hindu Veda's say that these "flowers along the path" are attained when you have reached certain stages of spiritual enlightenment, but should NOT be the goal, the goal is union with god, and an aspiring Yogi should not strive for anything less then that.

By the way There are litterally thousands of stories of various Yogi's that can do very much the same things as jesus, raise the dead, heal people, among many other things. This world is a dream of gods. There is a story about a yogi i forget his name, but he is naked having renounced even his loincloth in the search for god. He wanders into a Muslim, yes MUSLIM tent with women in it and several men. Now you can imagine the uproar. One of the muslim men takes a sword and cuts off the yogi's arm. The yogi just turns around and showing no sign of pain walks away leaving his arm behind. The muslim is so ashamed for what he has done he grabs the arm and runs after the yogi and gives him his arm back. He puts the arm back in its socket and it is fully healed! then he blesses the muslim and walks away. The muslim later on becomes a disciple of that yogi.

Dont limit yourself to one narrow perspective. There are many paths to god, and the fruits along that path seem to be great, but what is even greater is uniting with god himself.

And by the way i dont think that just asking god for faith and waiting is the best way to go. God helps those who help themselves. You must STRIVE with all your heart and strength for god. GIVE yourself to him and meditate, pray, and give every action you do to god. God only reveals himself to those who truly deserve it.

Strive for truth settle for nothing less.
Peace.



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 03:30 PM
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Yasha-was the G-D being that did the actual creative works of making our physical universe and lifeforms on the earth.He emptied Self out of Divinity for the purpose to come die as the sacrifice for our sins so we dont have to die forever ---which is the penalty for breaking G-Ds laws if you dont want to claim His sacrifice of blood/ body and life in your place----------He died sinless and was resurrected back to life on the 3rd day but not as a human but as a G-D being again.yes He lived 33 1/2 years as a human being.



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 03:48 PM
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So Jesus isn't part of the triune God; Jesus, the father and the holy spirit? So let me temp your mind with this....


If I die, I am a believer and Christ is real do I not get enternal life and I have gained for eternity.

If I die, I am a believer and Christ is not real all I get is a dirt nap and I have lost nothing nor will I know it.

If I die, I am not a believer and Christ is real, all I get is a dirt nap, I will know it and I have lost everything for eternity..

Which would you rather be? I would rather have the chance at eternal life...

"God and the Universe are infinite and therefore perfect! Given infinite time man shall never create anything perfect!"

[edit on 16-11-2007 by GrndLkNatv]



posted on Nov, 17 2007 @ 11:26 AM
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suffering held in high regard by christians ? you're right that i'm not worried by death-----------but the suffering to death buisness i am not in love with--------am not a masochist thank you very much--------and the urge to kill that some wackos can fill you with is a hard one to put out of mind---i do not joy in pointless/needless sufferings----i hope G-D has mercy and just lets us suffer all that is necessary and no more if that is a requirement to break us of our sins and character flaws so we can take hold of eternal life.



posted on Nov, 17 2007 @ 01:08 PM
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God is suppose to be all loving and all forgiving. He did not create us so that he could later choose to make us suffer. If there is a God, and there is eternal life, whether or not you believe in Jesus or God or anyone else will not make any difference.

I think, that if there is indeed a "Judgement Day", then those who hold themselves above others because of certian religous beliefs may just find themselves on the wrong list. It will be more about how you lived your life than where you were on Sunday mornings.



posted on Nov, 17 2007 @ 04:27 PM
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Did Jesus suffer the same pain as we would if we went through such torture? Yes,that is what set us free,God gave part of Him in flesh to suffer for us..no mystery that He was flesh,he bled like we do .Spiritually though Jesus was way way way above.Were we there? We cannot know what went down in the time of Christ imo,step by step? Jesus made it clear to all that time ,if they believe all is possible.

We do not read The Word as we should ,and to spend a lot of our life on earth studying & meditating (helps in passing the time) to the best of our ability to strengthen our faith..no i don't think there are many,i myself for one, but i try.

Taking on certain passages in The Bible when the answers are in almost every other Book or Gospel
And no matter how flesh have tried to change God's word to suit their needs? One thing true is .. That His word Will Open To Those Whom Seek.


Matthew 17:20 And He said to them, "Because of the littleness of your faith; for truly I say to you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.


Moving a mountain parabel steps closer to creation,walking on water is all cool but moving a mountain while walking on water with faith,better. If we believe we will see His Glory.

Cheers



posted on Nov, 18 2007 @ 01:10 AM
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reply to post by Frank4YAHWEH
 


Frank, you are so,so correct.



posted on Nov, 18 2007 @ 02:07 AM
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reply to post by amillion2juan
 


Umm, even the author of the contemporary account admits that the man didn't literally "walk on water".


The Man Who Walked On Water

Later, of course, I figured out that the man had actually simply leaped, stepping as he moved forward, and the forward whip of the trailing leg as it came forward towards land probably helped propel him as well.



posted on Nov, 18 2007 @ 08:13 AM
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i was not implying that G-D likes to make us suffer rather i meant that as long as we are physically alive we will end up in situations not of our own choosing in which others will make us suffer----it is an inevitable part of life in "rubbing shoulders" with other humans and the reason why we have to learn to forgive others sins against us if we want G-D to continue to forgive our sins.



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