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posted on Nov, 15 2007 @ 12:14 PM
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EU 'should expand beyond Europe'


news.bbc.co.uk

Foreign Secretary David Miliband has suggested the European Union should work towards including Russia, Middle Eastern and North African countries.
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posted on Nov, 15 2007 @ 12:14 PM
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And why would they stop at including these countries? what would then stop them trying to linking up with asia and then the american continent as well? as well as this at the moment in europe the richer countries are subsidiseing the poorer countries so if africa and the middle east joins just how much extra tax will we be expected to find to pay these extra countries that would be joining?

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posted on Nov, 15 2007 @ 01:11 PM
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I suspect the EU will follow a gradual expand and assimilate strategy, permitting new countries on its border to join as a kind of foreign territory rather than home nation then in time through a trading of culture and the interlinking of economies the country will eventually become part of the EU proper.

I think however the EU would reach natural buffers before it expanded too much, maybe making gains in Northern Africa, expanding more into the East and dipping its toe into the Near East but I can't see the big three (USA, China, Russia) wanting to be apart of something they see as a rival.

I reckon we're beginning to see the start of a future trend with regionalism coming forth as a new stratagem. We'll end up seeing the world naturally dividing into several regional factions with a few superpowers such as the USA (though it could be the North American Union by then) China and Russia (though it might have re-assimilated some old soviet countries) dotted about.



posted on Nov, 15 2007 @ 02:14 PM
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Makes sense *they* are going to try to pull this off, although after a little research, here's what I came up w/ for those who want some stats. As per the Mid East, I don't see it happening, Turkey has become anti-American since the war(s) began and it seems to be getting worse w/ clashes w/ Syria and Iraq, plus long-standing disputes w/ Greece; they have a huge population at 73 billion people. Top 20 worldwide.... Russia, maybe the same story, I go to and fro w/ them re: geopolitics; population 143 billion. The EU has only 493 million people, so that could be their rationale for this, I don't know.

This article from the OP brings up 'nwo' ideas, dangerous when this head is using words and phrases like "club" and "promote democracy" while complaining about "only" being able to use 100k military personal at once. Also, in bringing up the EU failed constitution and quotes like this, I don't know what's the general air(e) to the "EU" so far, are member states changing their political structures, are they getting really ripped off in "carbon trade" issues? Probably, since my research into N Africa shows, these four countries aren't in the best of shape, could a further look into this confirm ill-intent? I don't doubt it for a moment, since the participating countries are hardly "participating" when you see the adjective in front of the word 'constitution' -- which, it really seems 'one world' government, imo.

EU
en.wikipedia.org...

World Population
en.wikipedia.org...

...a breakdown of North Africa, hardly "successful" countries, the first on this list seems to be the only likely candidate, yet, w/ the geopolitical turmoil in Turkey, you never what "could" happen day to day:

Morocco: partners w/ Italy, Germany Spain and France. Capital is Rabit. Monarchy government, 33 million people. 99% Islamic. Exports, $9.4 billion, imports = $18.5 billion. Literacy rate is 52%.


Morocco, about 1/10 larger than Cali, lies across the Strait of Gbrltr on the Med Sea and looks out on the Atlantic from the northwest shoulder of Africa.... the Mediterranean coast is mountainous. The Atlas Mountains, running northeastward from the south to the Algerian frontier, average 11,000 ft (3,353 m) in elevation.

In the 2004 terrorist bombings in Madrid, Spain, numerous Moroccans were implicated. A wave of suicide bombings struck Casablanca in March and April 2007 Authorities were not certain if the attacks were related.


www.infoplease.com...

Algeria: Dinar, capital. People's Democratic Republic. Also, 33 million people. 99% Islamic. 49$ billion exports, 22$ billion imports. Literacy rate 70%.


Nearly 4 times the size of Texas, Algeria is bordered on the west by Morocco and Western Sahara and on the east by Tunisia and Libya. The Mediterranean Sea is to the north, and to the south are Mauritania, Mali, and Niger. The Saharan region, which is 85% of the country, is almost completely uninhabited.

International disputes: Algeria supports the exiled Sahrawi Front and rejects Moroccan admin of W Sahara; Algeria's border with Morocco remains an irritant to bilateral relations; each nation has accused the other of harboring militants and arms smuggling; in an attempt to improve relations after unilaterally imposing a visa requirement on Algerians in the early 1990s, Morocco lifted the requirement in mid-2004 - a gesture not reciprocated by Algeria...


www.infoplease.com...

Tunisia: Republic government. Exports 10$ billion, imports $12b. 10 million people, 98% Islamic. Literacy rate 74%. Capital, Tunis.


Tunisia, at the northernmost bulge of Africa, thrusts out toward Sicily to mark the division between the eastern and western Mediterranean Sea. Twice the size of South Carolina...


www.infoplease.com...

Libya: Socialists, 97% Sunni. Literacy rate is 73% and the imports are 10$ billion while exports, 30$ billion.


Libya stretches along the northeast coast of Africa between Tunisia and Algeria on the west and Egypt on the east; to the south are the Sudan, Chad, and Niger. It is one-sixth larger than Alaska. A greater part of the country lies within the Sahara. Along the Mediterranean coast and farther inland is arable plateau land.

International disputes: Libya has claimed more than 32,000 sq km in southeastern Algeria and about 25,000 sq km in Niger in currently dormant disputes; various Chadian rebels from the Aozou region reside in southern Libya.


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posted on Nov, 15 2007 @ 05:23 PM
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Well It would make sense for the EU to invest in the Middle East and Africa in order to secure natural resources but I don't see why they would want to have ME regimes and unstable African countries join the EU.
Besides how can it be the EU if ME and African countries are members ?



posted on Nov, 15 2007 @ 05:45 PM
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EU has one big goal.

Russia.

There are a growing number in Russia, mainly Liberals, who want to be apart of the EU and see themselves as European. Due to the political tensions in the motherland, a break up will be welcomed with a smile in Europe.

The EU said it doesn't want to be a superpower or an Empire, but I beg to differ. It knows Europe has the power to rival China and India, those guys are not stupid.

The Union is the most important trading block in the world, Europe will build an empire like she always does. A powerful economic strategy that no one can match.

I mean, that's how Europe built the colonial empires.



posted on Nov, 15 2007 @ 05:48 PM
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it would be nothing more then colonialism again. Going in, building the infratructure, exporting the people to be a cheaper workforce for the population. I can definately see it happening, though, I see them expanding east by south east into the baltic, and getting all of Europe under there belt. Additionally, The expansion with Russia would be a perk. It gives free trade which russia needs for it exports, as well as stabilization of there sphere of influence. NATO can't attack them if there part of the EU. As I'm positive that E.U. has some sort of Mutual defense pack. There is more natural resource in Siberia, then all of the middle east, and having a threat like china so near those resources can make issues. Russia is ruled by Europeans not Asians, and thus they'll align more with Europe then China. Just my opinion. Additionally, you don't have all the conflict in Russia that is associated to resources like in the middle east. Therefore it would be cheaper politically for the E.U. then trying to add morocco, or libya.

Cheers,

Camain



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 04:51 PM
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They?

The EU is far from being 1. There are still loads of conflicting interests.



posted on Nov, 17 2007 @ 04:37 PM
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True, there currently like the articles of confederation, but as the E.U. ages it will start to exert more power as it becomes more centralized. Eventually, E.U. will be one nation, one state. Right know its one nation, many states.

Cheers,

Camain



posted on Nov, 17 2007 @ 04:52 PM
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Where ever Europe is heading, it isn't for the sake of its people. I personally think it is to rival the US, Russia and China, both in size and resources. We were doing just fine until the EU turned up - our country has been going south ever since. Immigration is out of control, and we can't do a thing about it. The EU Treaty was another, rather large, nail in the coffin.

Why does the EU feel it needs to exist? Countries can trade amongst themselves if they so desired - they don't need to belong some exclusive club before hand.
I fear we haven't seen what the EU really wants to do yet.

EDIT: To the poster below: good catch on the figures - was meaning to post on that, too!


[edit on 17-11-2007 by mirageofdeceit]



posted on Nov, 17 2007 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by anhinga
Turkey has become anti-American since the war(s) began and it seems to be getting worse w/ clashes w/ Syria and Iraq, plus long-standing disputes w/ Greece; they have a huge population at 73 billion people. Top 20 worldwide.... Russia, maybe the same story, I go to and fro w/ them re: geopolitics; population 143 billion. The EU has only 493 million people, so that could be their rationale for this, I don't know.


Oh wow, that sure is a lot of people. Last time I checked, the world had around 6.5 Billion people in the entire population. Where did you get these numbers? Your wiki source says 6,453,628,000 for the year 2005.

World Population



posted on Nov, 17 2007 @ 05:27 PM
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If you believe the Bible then the EU is the Revived Roman Empire described in the book of Daniel and Revelations. The EU will eventually evolve into a one world government with the anti-chrsit as its head of state.



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