Russia sect holes up in cave to await end of world
news.yahoo.com
 "They have covered the entrance and refuse to come out and are threatening to blow themselves up," an official in the local prosecutor's
office told Reuters by telephone. "They threaten to detonate a gas tank and blow themselves up." (visit the link for the full news article)
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Maybe it's because I don't share the same mindset, but what is the purpose of holing themselves up to await the end of the world AND threatening to
kill themselves if not left alone?
Are they holing up to protect themselves? Or are they holing up hoping they get taken first? Or what?
This ordeal confuses me.
Jasn
news.yahoo.com
(visit the link for the full news article)
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This looks like it could be, in part, a protest over taxation.
 The sect members in the Penza cave are followers of 43-year-old Pyotr Kuznetsov, who moved to Nikolskoye last year claiming to head up the true
Russian Orthodox Church, said Alevtina Volchkova, chief prosecutor of the region's Bekovsky district, where the village is located, the Regnum news
agency reported.
"They say the current Russian Orthodox Church is commercialized," Volchkova was quoted as saying. "The church has its own tax code and carries out
commercial activities, so [the sect claims to] represent the real Russian Orthodox Church."
More news links:
Guardian Unlimited | Russian doomsday sect threatens mass suicide
ITAR-TASS | Criminal proceedings opened against Penza sect leader
RIA Novosti | Russia | Sect members dig tunnel, await apocalypse in Central Russia
Too bad, apparently, they don't own the cave, then they might have just been left alone.
At least so far, the authorities haven't gone all "Waco" on 'em. 
Let's hope, for the sake of the children, they just let the sect sit there until they run out of supplies, get hungry, and they come out on their
own.
[edit on 15-11-2007 by goosdawg]
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 Originally posted by SimiusDei
Russia sect holes up in cave to await end of world
"They have covered the entrance and refuse to come out ... "They threaten to detonate a gas tank and blow themselves up."[/exnews
well, the threat tell us outworlders that they have resources in the cave
(a gas tank) for the purpose of living comfortably ?
as the gas could provide fuel for electric generators and other stuff.
so...all in all, this does not seem a spontaneous thing that is leading to a standoff with authorities.
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I opened a thread about this yesterday, no one really bit which I thought was unusual given all the different religious beliefs here on ATS.
Shame these nuts have to drag children in to the equation.
Link to thread
Regards S_G
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One of the children inside is a 1 year 4 month old girl... awful stuff..
I cannot unfortunately find the outcome of this whole sect movement barricading themselves in this cave... It's been over 24 hours, authorities say
that temperatures drop to -15C at night!
Edit to add:
It seems that the police are planning on using sleeping gas to combat the so called sect.
The cave is a man-made one, made by the sectants this summer.
Many of the sectants are illegal immigrants from Belarus, Ukraine, or Russians having legal problems.
[edit on 17/11/07 by MastaG]
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I think its just a cover to get these people out. Kinda like the not in my town philosophy. Just making a statement here, but after getting through
the frost layer aka about 2 and 1/2 feet, the earth will stay at a constant temperature, ruffly 50f or 4-5c. This being said, if this cave has many
followers, it has to be big enough to house them, therefore, it has to be deep and the temperature affects outside would have no bearing on what is
going on inside, especially given the fact that its closed off. Additionally, they have fuel, most likely for cooking, as well there own bodies. These
two combined should be sufficient along with warm clothes to keep warm in there clothes.
Honestly, I think the government should leave them alone, and occasionally just check up on them. If they are illegal aliens, setup a barricade
outside, man it with a few people an wala, you have a makeshift prison that they, themselves built.
Bottom line, leave them be, if the end of the world happens as they say, then we have nothing to worry about, and if they run out of food or water,
they will eventually come out anyway. Theres no reason to raid the cave. There safe, secure, and healthy. they are in a safe place, out of site, and
aren't bothering the neighbors. Heck they may even be nice, and provide trash service for them to get rid of any nasty diapers, if they aren't
cloth.
Cheers,
Camain
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Awaiting the end of the world for everyone or just the end of the world for them?
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camain, you are absolutely right. Your method would probably make them get out faster...if nobody bothers them.
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I just try to put myself in there situation, you are an accultist that has barricaded himself in a cave. Government troops are waiting outside to
rape, and kill every man, woman, and child in there with you. You don't believe in violence, but are you honestly going to let little mary thats 1
1/2 years old get raped and killed, or are you going to blow the cave when they try to raid you and kill as many of them as you can on your way
out?
Just leave them be. setup a barricade, when they wanna come out, let them. Start video taping the entire thing, have some reporters there, that way if
you start hearing shots you can go in, and be legit. If you don't then when they get tired, sick, and hungry, they'll give up.
Cheers
Camain
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I say leave them all be.... I mean are they doing any harm?
Seriously, those caves can't be any colder than outside, maybe they're onto something eh?
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