reply to post by greeneyedleo
I understand exactly what you are saying, and I certainly agree with you 150% on each and every issue. What I am trying to do, (and not too well) is
play devil's advocate a bit and look at this topic through the eyes of a lawyer. In a perfect world groups like NAMBLA would never exist and their
opinions and views would be completely pushed into the light and these "people" put on display so everyone knows WHO they are and can keep their
children safe. However we do not live in a perfect world. I am also trying to look at this through the concept of "Free Speech". Like someone said
earlier, free speech is great until someone says something you don't like. In my opinion, free speech is truly tested in situations like this
discussion and groups such as NAMBLA. Like I said earlier, I in NO WAY endorse or support this "group" and I disagree whole heartedly with
everything this "group" stands for.
Maybe using the NRA was a bad example, but I will stick with the MPP comparison because it too is an illegal activity. Obviously one crime is worse
than another, but in the eyes of the law a crime is crime and I am discussing free speech in terms of things that are considered "illegal"
The only thing in your post that I do disagree with is kids knowing more now about sex. I stand by that statement. I do not feel it is a case of them
being more "open" about it, I do think they know more. When I was 10 years old I didn't know nothing about oral sex. Have you talked to a 10 year
old today? They sure do! My best friend has a 10 year old son and he told me all about oral sex. I was shocked and it also put my in a difficult
situation. You want to teach them and educate them but then your thinking to yourself, "I can't talk to you about this topic cause you are too
young" but then you realize he already knows and he learned it from kids at school, MTV, HBO, Movies. Today there are kids who think anal sex is
fine and you are still considered a "virgin" if you have anal sex or oral sex just because the hymen is still intact. I even had this exact debate
with an 18 year old just a few weeks ago who claimed to be a virgin and engages in those two acts I just described. I have to admit I was baffled by
her logic, but that is what she believed and I sure didn't change her mind one bit.
Maybe what I do for a living puts me in a different place than most to gauge topics like this. I work in the adult entertainment industry and I have
been since I turned 18 (I am now 35) and I see young girls day in and day out who just turned 18 and decide they want to strip, prostitute, or do porn
for a living. I once even had a girl tell me she "strips for Jesus". Don't ask me to explain it because I sure can't, but that is the mentality I
To touch on the MSNBC show a bit, again I agree with you. Any adult should log off, say no, block etc etc. I agree with you. However I can see how
others would not do that. I can understand to an extent how some men would eventually give in. In my opinion men think with their genitals more than a
women does and as someone else has said, crimes like this are all about opportunity. I can see how a guy who is thinking with the wrong head might go
after a 14 year old girl who is throwing herself at him if he thinks he can get away with it. I can understand how he would not view it as a crime if
it is consensual and the female is pursuing him. It certainly does not make it right by any stretch of the imagination, but I can understand it.
People are sometimes their own worst enemies. There are times where they will find ways to justify to themselves actions that they would not normally
participate in. So I can see how a guy would say "no" to a decoy, then be pursued for a month, then the guy thinks with the wrong head, thinks that
if this "girl" was really a cop she would not pursue him like she has and maybe no one would know, its not "rape" if she keeps bringing up sex and
she obviously is interested, she doesn't sound 14, she doesn't look 14....maybe just maybe it would be ok. Again, I consider it faulty logic and
wrong, but I can understand how someone might have that type of thought process.
I was even having a conversation with a friend of mine the other day about young girls today. We saw two girls walking down the street, short shorts
on, halter tops, looking like your common streetwalker. It occurred to both of us that girls did not look back then the way they do now. Believe me if
they did, I would have shown up to school more often!!! It seems like girls are developing earlier than they did when I was kid. Of course Brittney
Spears and MTV have not helped as these young girls now make an attempt to be "sexy" or dress "sexy" when they hardly even know what sexy really
is. From my view of the world, times have indeed changed, kids do know more at a younger age, and sexuality is right out in the open and kids of all
ages see it.
[edit on 17/11/2007 by section8citizen]