Mr Penny should be banned for trolling Mr Lear constantly

[edit on 14-11-2007 by NLDelta9]

Please allow me to entirely remove this post as it has proven unnecessary. Thank you.

[edit on 11/14/2007 by schuyler]

First of all, after watching all the videos, Britt Elder aroused me. I just wanted to get that out of the way.

I believe Meier 100%. I believe the photos that were used to discredit him were falsely attributed to Meier. Why doesn't he fight back you ask? Well, years and years of persistent threats have taken away his will to fight it anymore. He's been worn down. His circle of believers has been infiltrated since he started letting people in. Those were the people who set him up.

Peace

I'm sorry, but when a gentleman with very high cridentials named JOHN LEAR supports my thoughts than maybe i might be on the right track. Also Tesla's technology could very well be involed or a combination of many of his invention like many other scientists have done to create a new technology. The Pleidans come and go through hyperspace within 7+ hours from there star system and only want to observe. All Meier is doing is passing on information to help the human race evolve spiritually. Without this human development we will stay stagnant killing eachother until we are completely enillated. The answer is using free energy. Earth, wind, sun and water. The best form of free energy in MY opinion is a madnetic motor. I've seen some cool prototypes on youtube.

I recently took some time to check out Billy on the web and hear his story. Now I am a total UFO/ET believer, but one thing that I found odd was some of his photos and videos seemed a little suspect. But his assistant (Horn or something I believe) give some pretty good explainations so I said, ok maybe it isn't fake I'll keep an opened mind. Besides some of the predictions according to them were dead on, so it kept my interests.

But as I was going through the site and read some of the material what struck me was how negative the ET's (taken from transcript) were towards humanities choices. Now granted they are right because we don't know what we are doing, but to me it seemed like "You silly humans, cannot understand the destruction you have brought to the planet and do not learn." Now all of the things I've read concerning ET's and contact made, the ET's take a more subtle approach with deep philisophical meaning and encouragement for positive choices. They acknowledge the harm done but do not focus on it and instead emphasize that change can happen if we band together and change our direction.

Now I know not all ET's are the same, but to me it seemed like I was reading a passage from Jehova in the old testament. I smite thee!

What really put me off was when I kept reading the site that the ET's according to Bill said that all other communications were false and that those that said they had contact, or dialog or channeled info were big fat frauds, and that he Bill was the only one that had EVER made contact, and he was chosen because he had a ancient soul.

Sounded to me a bit cultish for my liking, and very humanistic. Just my 2 cents

Ok i have witnessed years of the "Billy Meier debunk " posts and threads on ATS and the greater UFO community. And for good reason from memory:

1.Jeff Ritzman did a awesome job on recreating the Meier photographs

2. Micheal Horn being a complete and total fruit loop on countless forums, is he still banned on ATS ?

3."Billy Meier ray gun pics" That thread....how can forget the way Horn would flip out and go banna's

4. The fact the "WCUFO" was in fact a garbage lid.

5. The Dinosaur photos proved to be from a painting

6. The San francisco earth quake photo was lifted from NG


The list goes on and on of debunking and inconsistencies but i could never work out if billy was doing this with models and mini trees as Jeff Ritzman would say, then how are the other towns people witnessing the UFO also ?, would they not notice Billy hand on the end of the sitck ?

It is possible Meier was telling the truth but at the same time none of it was true. Insanity is a real possibility.

The undeniable proof that the photo's of his time travels were a hoax pretty much means none of it can be taken seriously.

John, Don't do it! That toy might have lead in it. Is it made in China

I could get up in front of a camera and say this and that on how it was a fraud, so why didn't these "clued-up" people (who were compensated for there time in debunken it) actually show us on working modules the way to do it, or is that "top secret".

As to his ex-wife jumping on the Bandwagon, well my "ex" has told so many downright lies on me, that nobody who knows me, believes her anymore.

Thanks for the videos! I would think his pictures, especially the early ones are real but have the quality simply too good for many ufologists to accept.
But his later claims and position as he's the "only one pure contactee" etc. somehow went untasty, at least for me. Though it's the other part of the story and at first he could have genuine contacts but later some misconceptions about the ideas given to him began to dominate.
This matter do not denies the reality of the contact.

Billy Meier ... very convincing

Theres 2 phrases that dont belong together.

I dont need to watch this to know its rubbish.
This isnt your fault by the way, its just noone should entertain anything tainted with Meier's clap trap.

[edit on 15/11/07 by eagle32]

Originally posted by fishmaster
I'm sorry, but when a gentleman with very high cridentials named JOHN LEAR supports my thoughts than maybe i might be on the right track. Also Tesla's technology could very well be involed or a combination of many of his invention like many other scientists have done to create a new technology.

You got that part right.

The footage in the debunking video, with multiple saucers that bob
and sometimes disappear and are all quite similar has led me to think
that he did capture a saucer similar to the Mexico saucers years back
and in Europe and just used that part as much as possible.

Everything else you can dismiss.

Observe the under workings of the saucer with black and bright areas.
Why do that out of randomness or on purpose if not knowing the
process involved.

Reverse lightning is black, forward is bright; think of a drum where
one side is up the other half of the top is up, but electrically and with
high voltage.

Now you are on you way but out side of earth's atmosphere for
these Tesla craft can't be verified, I've only seen blitz craft in
NASA videos in low orbit.


ED: I think Mr Lear holds to some of the photo evidence being
real. Don't assign him to any of the stories.


[edit on 11/15/2007 by TeslaandLyne]

This is almost as spooky as Springers house but count me as #4 on that list.

We now have Springer, MrPenny, Schuyler and me on the same side of things.

Now I can't remember their names but there were a group of people who told one of the well known debunkers that they would give him a year to duplicate the meier photos using todays technology if he wanted to. And so far they haven't seen anything or heard from him yet. Now I beleive the photos are real.

Originally posted by jbondo
This is almost as spooky as Springers house but count me as #4 on that list.

We now have Springer, MrPenny, Schuyler and me on the same side of things.

I'm elated. But what do you three think of the Tesla connection.

You follow the ET crowd. But Billy is a fraud in every aspect.

Billy's starting point and photos seem plausible.

The rest seems like a CIA programming HOAX to cover real
science again. Real science has been denied for so long.

Once the CIA got the ball rolling, Billy took over.