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I am Sam...I am new.

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posted on Nov, 15 2007 @ 11:26 AM
To those who had early intuitions about the nature of this thread, yet remained patient and civil throughout, thanks for helping to contribute to a wonderful online forum. It gives me confidence in your abilities of discernment, and your abilities to balance intuition with reason.

For those who thought Sam might have been a robot, spend some time with the ELIZA program.

It is an early example of software designed to parse natural language; these systems have certain identifiable characteristics.

For example, on page 6, magicmushroom asked I am Sam if (s)he was a "war monger," to which I am Sam replied on page 7: "I am not a mongerer of war." The way Sam parsed and reiterated this phrase, adding the "er" suffix to "monger" and adding the preposition "of," is quite uncharacteristic of an AI system designed to parse natural language queries.

I do not mean to imply that I don't think software has gotten more sophisticated since ELIZA was written, but many of these programs have a shared lineage. ELIZA is a very simple implementation of such a software system, and makes for good study precisely because of its simplicity.

Another implication that Sam was not a robot was the way Sam responded to poetry.

In a nutshell, I look forward to continuing to work with you all.

posted on Nov, 15 2007 @ 11:51 AM

Originally posted by masqua
Thread re-opened.

Some masqua subtle humor I take it.

I was actually going to leave the one-liner for you as well, since you love them so much, but I didn't have the heart.

posted on Nov, 15 2007 @ 12:08 PM

Originally posted by blaues Licht
I am in Deutschland. Do you like my blue light. It is my favorite of the colors.

Ich auch, wie gehts?

what aridiculous thread indeed

posted on Nov, 15 2007 @ 12:47 PM
Is Sam a no-show here?

Hope we did not scare him/her off. If learning about the world, I wonder if we are too emotionally violent and we just don't see it for lack of perspective. An intelligent person might rather talk to a Tibetan monk, rather than us monk-eys with tempers and paranoia flowing from our brain exhaust holes.

If I where new to the neighborhood, I might feel a bit uncomfortable dealing with the fear and doubt we all seem to show sometimes. If a compassionate intelligence however, we will hear from someone soon I think.

We should replace fear with the original wonder we had in the ancient past. We would catch more fly with that honey.


posted on Nov, 15 2007 @ 02:29 PM
Sam could be Microsoft's Sam who is included with Microsoft Mike and that other girl i think, anyway they are in a way bots because i asked microsoft Sam this: "how old are you?"---and he answered by saying:"how old are you" so obviously he doesn't understand a simple question let alone know the secrets of the universe.

posted on Nov, 15 2007 @ 02:32 PM
With all respect, Sam, I don't know whether to trust you. You could be some evil Masonic assassin, a double agent from the Federal Reserve, or, hell, even Condoleeza Rice. But so could everyone. So could I. Neeee...
Crawls back into his tinfoil igloo

posted on Nov, 15 2007 @ 02:44 PM
Utter nonesense.........!

Yet another elaborate wind up!


posted on Nov, 15 2007 @ 02:44 PM
Sam I am looks to have been banned.

Oh well, the riddle was fun while it lasted.


posted on Nov, 15 2007 @ 03:05 PM
When someone comes on a forum like ATS and claims to be an all knowing Alien/Angel/Guy from Atlantis/etc, I'm very skeptical.

Someone U2U'd me today and indicated they found my "whining about not being able to gloat" a tad less than humorous. Well, yeah. He felt that if I predict a ban for a new poster I automatically have a 50:50 chance of being right.

But, think about this. How many times has someone come to ATS claiming to be the all knowing Alien/Angel/Guy from Atlantis/etc?

And further, how many of those people have turned out to really be the all knowing Alien/Angel/Guy from Atlantis/etc that they claimed to be?

I would posit that we have NO precedent for believing that anyone claiming to be or acting like they are some all knowing Alien/Angel/Guy from Atlantis/etc really is a genuine all knowing Alien/Angel/Guy from Atlantis/etc.

Therefore, I believe if one claims that such an individual is "full of it", I think they would actually have a better than 50:50 chance of being correct.

A rose by any other name smells the same.

I honestly feel it shouldn't take that many pages of posts for intelligent people to realize someone is making an attempt to wind their underbritches into a bunch.

I was going to quote GWB's "fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again" speach. But after I read it a couple dozen times, I realized it doesn't make a lick-o-sense.

P. S. I’m still waiting for my private parts to swell up like a puffer fish and explode because I didn’t believe the last “Angel” thet came here spewing his personal rotgut.

[edit on 15-11-2007 by hlesterjerome]

posted on Nov, 15 2007 @ 03:07 PM
The dramas very briefly continued while this thread was closed at AndyStokes' introductory thread 'hi im yeah hi :p'

'gnisirtraehkrad' = 'darkheartrising' = etc, etc... decided to post there as well...

posted on Nov, 15 2007 @ 08:33 PM
reply to post by America Jones

Good call. But that was 1966 and we have progressed much since then. What if this is an alien AI or program? Maybe you have input on my previous question:

Originally posted by rezial666
reply to post by MystikMushroom

Good-day MystikMushroom,

Would then an AI program make a grammatical mistake such as below or would it have programmed such mistakes to increase acceptance by it's biological counterparts?

Originally posted by I am Sam
reply to post by chutso_ha
Welcome chutso. I do not consume eggs and hama dn have no need for silver and gold.

[edit on 11/15/07 by rezial666]

[edit on 11/15/07 by rezial666]

posted on Nov, 15 2007 @ 10:31 PM
reply to post by defcon5

I see... That makes sense. I don't get the point of it, but I guess other people might get a kick out of it. Thanks for the info!! (still trying to figure this place out...)

posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 12:03 AM

Originally posted by rezial666
reply to post by America Jones

Good call. But that was 1966 and we have progressed much since then. What if this is an alien AI or program? Maybe you have input on my previous question:


Would then an AI program make a grammatical mistake such as below or would it have programmed such mistakes to increase acceptance by it's biological counterparts?

It's a good point you make, and one I've spent some time thinking about (hence my comment about Sam's response to poetry).

My initial thinking on the matter arose from a consideration of NSA intercept technology at private telecommunications facilities, and the possibility that keyword filters might INTRODUCE typos to prevent certain writings from showing up in search engines (as a difficult-to-detect form of censorship).

I'm certainly aware that AI programs have gotten more sophisticated since ELIZA, but in general, AI is designed to identify as relevant the same sorts of patterns that human cognition would identify as relevant (what use would AI be to human cognition otherise? If one were to argue that an AI might be designed to identify novel patterns that humans don't otherwise detect, one would still have to account for how and why such a novel AI would be useful to humans. If one were to argue that an AI were designed to detect patterns that humans CAN'T detect, what could anyone possibly do with such information?). My point was more that a familiarity with the most simple forms of AI pattern recognition might help people identify more complex forms of AI pattern recognition.

Insofar as novel AI is concerned, my primary concern is less that programmers might choose to include tricks (like deliberate typos) to deceive people, but rather, that people have fundamentally mistaken intuitions about what it is that computers do. People are taught to think of computers as fancy calculators, but computers are just as much logic machines as they are arithmetic machines.

The most basic operations performed by computer hardware are not mathematical, but consist of precisely one logical operation, called NAND

NAND is the opposite of the logical function AND. The plain-language equivalent is "at least one is false." It is not taught in most college logic courses. I am concerned that people are systematically denied basic intuitions about what computers really do, so that people CANNOT suspect what purposes computers can be made to serve. Washington is colonizing the academies.

Most people are familiar with all the research dollars spent developing fancy equations for rendering 3D models more realistically (especially in the context of video games), but few people talk about what sorts of novel computing strategies might be constructed around the purely logical aspects of digital computers.

Because people assume that computers are most useful arithmetically, people have certain intuitions about what communications intercept capabilities are. People are trained in a million ways to think quantitatively, and people are taught that what is qualitative is subjective, and therefore not a suitable subject for science.

Quantum mechanics is still seen as exotic, but it's already 100 years old. There's been a lot of research done since then that people are not taught anywhere unless they're pursuing a PHD in cognitive science, in which case they've read so much jargon-laden nonsense there's practically nobody they can talk to about whatever it is they think they know.

Scientists have done a lot of work to make information a subject of concrete inquiry. The notion of Kolmogorov complexity, the importance of Claude Shannon's work for relating thermodynamic entropy to information content, Turing completenes and Godel's incompleteness theorem are strange and exotic to most people, despite the fact that millions upon millions of people make use of these intellectual innovations every time they sit down at a computer. These days, 1 bit of information content can be defined precisely as 4 Planck areas (1 Planck area being 10 to the -66 square centimeters). The universe is information.

Personally, I'm more concerned about living populations being used to perform sophisticated computations, Manhattan Project style, than I am worried about robots trying to trick me into thinking they're people.

Anybody been experiencing an unusual increase in synchronicity lately?

[edit on 16-11-2007 by America Jones]

posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 12:29 AM
Hello, I have been watching for a few months after I heard Mr. John Lear on Coast To Coast AM and something I found on google finally made me decide to join and participate. I have never belonged to a forum so just finding the "Log In" button was difficult LOL.
But anyway, I think this might have been missed and I apoligize if it has been mentioned but I didn't see it as a read the posts in this thread .
I googled "Artificial Intelligence, SAM" and interestingly enough this came up about a scientist named Roger Schank.

"To improve the original scheme, Schank introduced the concept of "script" which is a general plan for a series of actions. SAM was then built according to the script theory to interpret articals on car accidents. SAM turned out to be a great success! In fact, SAM became the first machine translator ever. With an understanding of the true meaning of the sentence, SAM wasn't limited to a certain language and could paraphrase its understanding in different languges. Schank then dedicated himself in Cognitive Science. "

this is the link to it:

thank you.
Juan M.

[edit on 16-11-2007 by amillion2juan]

posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 02:12 AM
I have been reading this thread without participating but now I would like to give you an recommendation to all people that have thoughts to uncover the identity or the veracity of the user calling himself „I am Sam“.
I read a book some time ago which is inexpensive that related to the same topic has this thread as generated.
The book is “Extraordinary Popular Delusion and the Madness of Crowds”, written by Charles Mackay a Scottish poet, journalist, and song writer born in 1814.
Charles in he’s books as accumulated a catalogue of unusual fervours including speculative, collective and spiritual. It scrutinizes such crazes as alchemy, sorcerer mania, the crusades, fortune-telling, haunted houses and even "Tulip mania".
I will leave with this quote.
"Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one!"


posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 10:21 AM
hello i am sam,
for some unknown reason your name strikes images of oceans and jellyfish. strange and beautiful. share the wisdom with us wont you?

posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 10:41 AM
Hello, I´m new too.
I have been here alot, but just registered.
What actually happend? Was he just some dumb kid making fun or what?

posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 11:19 AM
reply to post by sw3bonny
Some of us think he was an artificial intelligence that was roaming the net to "learn" from us but he made someone mad and he got banned.
I posted a couple posts above this one where I guessed he came from. There is an interesting link I put in there that explains where he could have been created.

posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 11:39 AM
"I know there is a body coming. Earth scientist are now searching at it. Look to the south ends of the Earth. Many scientists gather there. I am not allowed to go there. I am saddened but I cannot change it."

Oh dear i fear that Aussie Bloke may soon be near....

posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 01:19 PM
Thanks for noticing me about the link. amillion2juan.

And that body he was talking about. Just today I watched a video about a planet called Niburu. It is said that the planet will kill alot of people on the earth when it passes us.
And now the strangest thing is that in the video they said that the only location you can see it is from the very south (south pole). And that the planet is approaching us right now.
Wasn´t that what Sam said.

Pretty cool, but I don´t think I can believe thoose things.

My english isn´t so great...

The video can be found here :

[edit on 16-11-2007 by sw3bonny]

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