reply to post by CavemanDD
So far from what I've gathered, true masons are a group of people, they do good things for the community, they get together and do wierd stuff.
Lol, I still don't know about "weird" however that is just my biased opinion. The rituals are... extravagant. To say the least. Well, and that
is only compared to "current" trends in the world. The world has cast ritual aside and deemed it not necessary, where as in Masonry it is kept
alive and well. What you may consider weird today was a norm yesterday.
Evil is just a perception, there is no good or evil, rather different paths, at least thats the way I percieve it, i don't hold anything to anyone
because personally I believe in the idea of spiritual evolution and all that.
Excellent point. For instance I would believe that calling an entire people "evil" because they do not adhere to a certain religion, or because
they do ritual initiations, or because they have a secret handshake, I believe that is evil. But then again they think we are evil, I think their
thinking evil. To paraphrase my favorite author, we all believe we are the white hats, not the black hats.
I have heard the 'TRUE" masons, the ones that have proof of their membership are OK, are no means evil, and rather its the fake lodges,
self-proclaimed masons like the skull and bones or some other similar type of groups that do such evil things.
While I doubt the Skull and Bones even relate to Masonry.. I would only assume those daddys boys are to self consumed with their own penis to give
Masonry the light of day. I am sure that they are by all means to important.
However other lodges, like P2, they where irregular, and its often irregular lodges that bring bad light to themselves, which may be why they are
irregular. Not meaning all irregular lodges are bad, and not saying all clandestine lodges are good either.
I just know.. I know a story, it involves masons, and human remains, thats all I will say, but for all I know it could be one of "FAKE,
If meaning the use of a skull and cross bones, that I at least assume are real bones, I don't consider it sinister in anyway, and the meaning is
I think the masons control the economy, the capitalist economy and keep it strong, and I frown upon that because I hate the whole idea of
The vast majority of the corporate leaders are not Masons.
There are no Masons on the Board of the Federal Reserve.
The President and his appointed financial economic advisors, are not Masons.
I know several Masons who are small business owners. Some pretty well off. Did Masonry make them into this? Or did they? Masonry does not create
great men, they are born, just as society does not create great men. They would have achieved what others could not with out the help of set social,
economic or private benefits.
Proof that Masonry controls Capitalism??
I don't like them sticking their symbolism everywhere, like on government buildings.
Why? Does it hurt them?
Think of it this way mate, our country has no identity. None. Who are we? We have no sticking idea. We are a mutt race, a mutt society, a mutt for
a nation. We have no history. 200 years? give me a break, many countries around the world have "eras" that lasted longer then that.
By having a common ancestral history within groups like churches, societies, political parties.. we can formulate "who are we" and "what are we"
for a nation that has no real culture, no real history.. I could only assume that would be a good thing.
But some people, perhaps like your self, would take the markings of the men who laid the corner stone and throw them away, you don't need their
history on your blank, meaningless, spiritualess facade do you? Many love our lack of identity. I for one hate it.
I just hope they aren't the ones who implemented the suit, the required, gentlemanly look of the 'business class'. It is pretentious, and it
seperates people I believe. It gives them a pseudo-class. Capitalism must go, equality must be globally present, at least in our minds, i do believe
things like the suit seperate us.
I know Masons who are not capitalist first off, and I even know ones who frown upon democracy, as I do, despise it actually. And for a little history
lesson for us all:
On 3rd February 1661 Samuel Pepys, a son of a tailor, stepped out for the first time in his ‘coate’ which was a knee-length version of a loose
riding garment that in its new form replaced the original tunic - padded doublet.
Ah, the beginning of the suit.....
In 1795, George Bryan Brummell made the acquaintance of the future George IV, Prince of Wales, and proceeded to mesmerise him with his wit and an
extraordinarily fastidious sense of style. Though profligate and self-indulgent; the Prince as pupil proved the perfect conduit for the teachings of
Burmmell, whose word on the exact cut of a coat or the starching of a stock could consequently not be denied.
Brummell established new rules. Quality became something one knew when one saw it, but was difficult to describe. It came down to cut, fit and
exquisitely minute detail as well as to the sometimes mystical relationship of a man with his tailor. It has been said that Burmmell’s clothes were
distinguished and seemed to melt into each other with the perfection of their cut and harmony of their colour.
During the 19th century the tailcoat evolved into formal dress. ‘Frock coat’ was replaced with the day after day tailcoat. Initially intended only
to ‘lounge’ in, the tailcoat evolved into the suit as we know it
No, the suit was not a "masonic" idea.
And no.. it also does not alienate people...
I most often buy my suits from department consolidation stores. The stores that buy the left overs from the big department stores to clearance the
products out? I buy name brand suits that would cost me a few hundred and get them for maybe $75.
And I look damn good in them to.
And while wearing a suit I do not feel "better" then anyone else. I am arrogant enough thank you.
Doesn't take much to look nice, you get more respect from it as well.. of course society is far more inclined to wear sweat pants that are pulled
down half way to their knees so their ass hangs out with over sized boxer shorts with giant untied shoes and wife beater shirts. Hey, look and act
like a fool then you claim your own place in society, matters not to me. Capitalism had nothing to do with this. USSR, still wore suits mate.
I feel odd having just researched that.
I'm not blaming masons for bringing this all into being, I'm just saying I hope they arent the ones behind all these cultural standards, and the
strength of capitalism.
Far from it. I can't imagine some of the old timers of my lodge even understanding half of what youth today says to them.
I believe capitalism is a large inbalance to the world and it eventually will cause some great problems that I believe are already beginning to show
Has nothing to do with Masonry.
Lots of business owners are masons....
A small percentage are small business owners.
how bout implementing some form of socialism in your business, let your workers benefit.... I only know a few masons, for all I know they could very
well do this.
Sorry to tell ya man, but not every one agrees with you. I don't for one. A few might. Not enough. Again, this has nothing to do with Masonry.
Anyways, its just my perception, and if they support the class system, captalism, and if they really do have a part in "pulling the strings" of our
society, then I don't care much for them.
Sounds kind of ignorant. I don't like your ideas even if I where not a Mason.. I know this, because I didn't like them before I joined!
Masonry does not dictate political ideologies, and political discussion is not allowed in Lodge.
I don't need them looking out for me, I have a good enough sense of responsibility of my own.
So far as I can tell you don't like dressing in a suit and you want your boss to hand you more money with out increased productivity. Sounds
If any mason can tell me they don't control the economy, and tell me it with absolute certainty... then I'll let that theory go and leave them
Masonry does not control the economy. Some day I will, but me being a Mason will mean nothing to you then.
My neighbor is a mason, and his dad is up there.. like 33rd degree or something, and he really wanted to see my all-seeing eye anti-mason,
anti-illuminatti tattoo and I was like ahhh why, hes the enemy... haha I didnt really feel comfortable abut meeting the man, but he seemed like he
woulda been a freindly guy. My perception of masons has really changed in the past year.
Why would you tattoo your self with a message of hate?
Quite frankly, I don't care.
I wish more people had that thought. More people are concerned with other peoples souls then their own...
We got other things to worry about then some charitable clubs..
that we do, much to worry about.
Nice talkin with you.