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posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 12:22 AM
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And the award for most blatant setup for a Mason goes to.... Yes the Eastern Star have an inverted pentacle as their symbol. Satan Worshiping women with their Anton Lavey inspired inverted pentagram!

Familiar with the Star of Bethlehem? Where did it point? Down......not to hell but to the manger. I could tell you about those various "occult" symbols in each arm but I'd rather hear the anti-masons interpretations of them.

Forgive me, I'm one of the young Master Masons that the older Masons warned you about.




posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 12:54 AM
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Edit: Insult removed.

[edit on 16-11-2007 by intrepid]



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 01:19 AM
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I think that it's great that you are a "young grand master" are there any more illustrious titles that you would like to bestow upon yourself or is that all??Getting a little hung up on our own achievments are we.

As a "Grand Master Mason" would you like to tell me a little bit about the original symbolism of the five pointed star or will you just regurgitate what I've already said?

Why don't you tell me what it is about a legitimate question possed in a non threatening way that gets your "goat"?

You tend to throw that "Master Mason" bit around pretty well. FYI it doesn't make you smarter or better than anyone else I know why you got uptight over it and it's because you thought that I was making a referance to Satanism and it in fact had nothing to do with it.

Once and for all, for those who have had an education beyond the first grade and can read the question, "understand it," and then answer without jummping to conclusions. I will say this one more time,"Satan worship is not my opinion of what goes on in Masonic lodges."

But, if people like Baphomet79 continue to ack this way over a simple question it doesn't help your cause any............



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 02:10 AM
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The star of Bethlehem never pointed down. It stayed ahead of the wise men.

Where are you sourcing that the star of Bethlehem pointed down? Certainly not from the bible.

Could it be that you have the Satanic bible and The Holy Bible mixed up?



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 02:17 AM
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Just watch the GHOST on their dinner plate (left upper corner)
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posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 06:13 AM
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Just curious, have you listened to david ike at all?

Now there is one that has taken one to many to the head. But then again
he is right there with jack chick, texe marrs, doc marguilles, and the rest of their ilk.




The five pointed star was a pegan symbol


No . It was and is a Pagan symbol. At last count I had found something like 520
different meanings for the 5 pointed star ( pentagram). only one of them, the recent work of LaVey associated with devil worship.

According to the legends the star of bethlehem ( be it 4 or 5 pointed) did indeed point down . showing the location of the exact " manger" in question.

The point down Pentagram is said to represent the "worldly concerns " or aspects of mankind.



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by Meatclown
I love how masons always dodge the subject of albert pike whenever he is brought up.


I don't remember any Mason around here dodging Pike. In fact, there are probably 50 threads on him, do a search.



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 07:32 AM
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Originally posted by lazy1981


The Illuminati came about alot earlier than the Civil War. Some say that they are responsible for the French revolution and that Voltair was one. George Washington even wrote about the Illuminati threat, and to the ney sayers it is fact not fiction that Washington addressed this. He was alarmed that it may spread to the Americas.


Washington did indeed speak out against the Illuminati once. Thomas Jefferson (not a Mason) spoke out in defense of the Illuminati. Washington did not have all the facts at the time he wrote, and knew the Illuminati only from the Robison book, which was merely progaganda.


I am also of the opinion that the Illuminati may have highjacked the Free Masons at the upper echelon and that the rest of the Masons are kept in the dark. I never have beleived in "The Masonic Conspiracy Theory" but I am well convinced of the Elitest Illuminati One.


It is certainly a fact that the Illuminati attempted to recruit members from Masonic Lodges, with mixed results. But none of the members of the Illuminati were ever leaders in Masonry, and certainly never had the opportunity to "hijack" it. When the Illuminati saw that they weren't making much headway in Masonic recruitment, they began performing Masonic degrees themselves irregularly, which made them a clandestine group instead of a legitimate Masonic Rite.



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 12:05 PM
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I was wondering what you thought about Black Ops Brethren, specifically

Major Downing

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posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by stompk
I was wondering what you thought about Black Ops Brethren, specifically

Major Downing

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Any compelling reason why you chose to post the exact same post in two threads? You wouldn't be intending to appear trollish would you?



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 02:04 PM
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Anyway you could possibly contribute something to the thread? Your actions speak louder than your words.



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 03:06 PM
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Thanks for the insight. It's a breath of fresh air to get an informative answer from someone without being chastized. You are a gentleman and a scholar.



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 05:16 PM
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I'm also interested in the idea the poster is presenting.

So far from what I've gathered, true masons are a group of people, they do good things for the community, they get together and do wierd stuff. Evil is just a perception, there is no good or evil, rather different paths, at least thats the way I percieve it, i don't hold anything to anyone because personally I believe in the idea of spiritual evolution and all that.

I have heard the 'TRUE" masons, the ones that have proof of their membership are OK, are no means evil, and rather its the fake lodges, self-proclaimed masons like the skull and bones or some other similar type of groups that do such evil things.

I just know.. I know a story, it involves masons, and human remains, thats all I will say, but for all I know it could be one of "FAKE, illegitamate..satanic lodges".

I think the masons control the economy, the capitalist economy and keep it strong, and I frown upon that because I hate the whole idea of capitalism. I don't like them sticking their symbolism everywhere, like on government buildings. I notices on moores clothing shoes, on the sole theres like a star-of-david pattern and like a masonic compass symbol on the heal, but its been a while since I looked at the shoe. I just hope they aren't the ones who implemented the suit, the required, gentlemanly look of the 'business class'. It is pretentious, and it seperates people I believe. It gives them a pseudo-class. Capitalism must go, equality must be globally present, at least in our minds, i do believe things like the suit seperate us.

I'm not blaming masons for bringing this all into being, I'm just saying I hope they arent the ones behind all these cultural standards, and the strength of capitalism. In my perception, capitalism is evil, rather my interpretation of evil is "counter-productive". I believe capitalism is a large inbalance to the world and it eventually will cause some great problems that I believe are already beginning to show themselves.

Lots of business owners are masons.... "make good men, better men they say".. how bout implementing some form of socialism in your business, let your workers benefit.... I only know a few masons, for all I know they could very well do this.


Anyways, its just my perception, and if they support the class system, captalism, and if they really do have a part in "pulling the strings" of our society, then I don't care much for them. I don't need them looking out for me, I have a good enough sense of responsibility of my own.

If any mason can tell me they don't control the economy, and tell me it with absolute certainty... then I'll let that theory go and leave them alone.


My neighbor is a mason, and his dad is up there.. like 33rd degree or something, and he really wanted to see my all-seeing eye anti-mason, anti-illuminatti tattoo and I was like ahhh why, hes the enemy... haha I didnt really feel comfortable abut meeting the man, but he seemed like he woulda been a freindly guy. My perception of masons has really changed in the past year.

Masons...real masons, evil = no, i dont think so, not by a long shot, their heart is in the right place, but I think it might be a LITTLE misguided. But please...enlighten me.

Fake masons...evil, satanic ritual magic, all that.... thats a whole different story, they are hurting themselves more then they are hurting us. They got a lot to learn!


Quite frankly, I don't care. The important thing for the world now, is to throw down our weapons, think before we talk, learn as much as we can, learn to respect each other even against our personal preferences, learn to enjoy life as it is and realise excessive hording of wealth is not the way.. and consider the consequences of our actions...example: is my job part of a system that causes suffering and imbalance?... And man... we gotta stop breeding, take some responsibility, are you not ok with having just one child?
I hope i'm not alone here in these thoughts.

We got other things to worry about then some charitable clubs...



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 06:42 PM
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So far from what I've gathered, true masons are a group of people, they do good things for the community, they get together and do wierd stuff.


Lol, I still don't know about "weird" however that is just my biased opinion. The rituals are... extravagant. To say the least. Well, and that is only compared to "current" trends in the world. The world has cast ritual aside and deemed it not necessary, where as in Masonry it is kept alive and well. What you may consider weird today was a norm yesterday.



Evil is just a perception, there is no good or evil, rather different paths, at least thats the way I percieve it, i don't hold anything to anyone because personally I believe in the idea of spiritual evolution and all that.


Excellent point. For instance I would believe that calling an entire people "evil" because they do not adhere to a certain religion, or because they do ritual initiations, or because they have a secret handshake, I believe that is evil. But then again they think we are evil, I think their thinking evil. To paraphrase my favorite author, we all believe we are the white hats, not the black hats.



I have heard the 'TRUE" masons, the ones that have proof of their membership are OK, are no means evil, and rather its the fake lodges, self-proclaimed masons like the skull and bones or some other similar type of groups that do such evil things.


While I doubt the Skull and Bones even relate to Masonry.. I would only assume those daddys boys are to self consumed with their own penis to give Masonry the light of day. I am sure that they are by all means to important.



However other lodges, like P2, they where irregular, and its often irregular lodges that bring bad light to themselves, which may be why they are irregular. Not meaning all irregular lodges are bad, and not saying all clandestine lodges are good either.



I just know.. I know a story, it involves masons, and human remains, thats all I will say, but for all I know it could be one of "FAKE, illegitamate..satanic lodges".


If meaning the use of a skull and cross bones, that I at least assume are real bones, I don't consider it sinister in anyway, and the meaning is humble.



I think the masons control the economy, the capitalist economy and keep it strong, and I frown upon that because I hate the whole idea of capitalism.


The vast majority of the corporate leaders are not Masons.

There are no Masons on the Board of the Federal Reserve.

The President and his appointed financial economic advisors, are not Masons.

I know several Masons who are small business owners. Some pretty well off. Did Masonry make them into this? Or did they? Masonry does not create great men, they are born, just as society does not create great men. They would have achieved what others could not with out the help of set social, economic or private benefits.

Proof that Masonry controls Capitalism??



I don't like them sticking their symbolism everywhere, like on government buildings.


Why? Does it hurt them?

Think of it this way mate, our country has no identity. None. Who are we? We have no sticking idea. We are a mutt race, a mutt society, a mutt for a nation. We have no history. 200 years? give me a break, many countries around the world have "eras" that lasted longer then that.

By having a common ancestral history within groups like churches, societies, political parties.. we can formulate "who are we" and "what are we" for a nation that has no real culture, no real history.. I could only assume that would be a good thing.

But some people, perhaps like your self, would take the markings of the men who laid the corner stone and throw them away, you don't need their history on your blank, meaningless, spiritualess facade do you? Many love our lack of identity. I for one hate it.



I just hope they aren't the ones who implemented the suit, the required, gentlemanly look of the 'business class'. It is pretentious, and it seperates people I believe. It gives them a pseudo-class. Capitalism must go, equality must be globally present, at least in our minds, i do believe things like the suit seperate us.




I know Masons who are not capitalist first off, and I even know ones who frown upon democracy, as I do, despise it actually. And for a little history lesson for us all:


On 3rd February 1661 Samuel Pepys, a son of a tailor, stepped out for the first time in his ‘coate’ which was a knee-length version of a loose riding garment that in its new form replaced the original tunic - padded doublet.


Ah, the beginning of the suit.....


In 1795, George Bryan Brummell made the acquaintance of the future George IV, Prince of Wales, and proceeded to mesmerise him with his wit and an extraordinarily fastidious sense of style. Though profligate and self-indulgent; the Prince as pupil proved the perfect conduit for the teachings of Burmmell, whose word on the exact cut of a coat or the starching of a stock could consequently not be denied.

Brummell established new rules. Quality became something one knew when one saw it, but was difficult to describe. It came down to cut, fit and exquisitely minute detail as well as to the sometimes mystical relationship of a man with his tailor. It has been said that Burmmell’s clothes were distinguished and seemed to melt into each other with the perfection of their cut and harmony of their colour.

During the 19th century the tailcoat evolved into formal dress. ‘Frock coat’ was replaced with the day after day tailcoat. Initially intended only to ‘lounge’ in, the tailcoat evolved into the suit as we know it


www.dress2kill.com...



No, the suit was not a "masonic" idea.

And no.. it also does not alienate people...

I most often buy my suits from department consolidation stores. The stores that buy the left overs from the big department stores to clearance the products out? I buy name brand suits that would cost me a few hundred and get them for maybe $75.
And I look damn good in them to.


And while wearing a suit I do not feel "better" then anyone else. I am arrogant enough thank you.

Doesn't take much to look nice, you get more respect from it as well.. of course society is far more inclined to wear sweat pants that are pulled down half way to their knees so their ass hangs out with over sized boxer shorts with giant untied shoes and wife beater shirts. Hey, look and act like a fool then you claim your own place in society, matters not to me. Capitalism had nothing to do with this. USSR, still wore suits mate.

I feel odd having just researched that.

Anyways.



I'm not blaming masons for bringing this all into being, I'm just saying I hope they arent the ones behind all these cultural standards, and the strength of capitalism.


Far from it. I can't imagine some of the old timers of my lodge even understanding half of what youth today says to them.




I believe capitalism is a large inbalance to the world and it eventually will cause some great problems that I believe are already beginning to show themselves.


Has nothing to do with Masonry.



Lots of business owners are masons....


Wrong.

A small percentage are small business owners.



how bout implementing some form of socialism in your business, let your workers benefit.... I only know a few masons, for all I know they could very well do this.


Sorry to tell ya man, but not every one agrees with you. I don't for one. A few might. Not enough. Again, this has nothing to do with Masonry.



Anyways, its just my perception, and if they support the class system, captalism, and if they really do have a part in "pulling the strings" of our society, then I don't care much for them.


Sounds kind of ignorant. I don't like your ideas even if I where not a Mason.. I know this, because I didn't like them before I joined!

Masonry does not dictate political ideologies, and political discussion is not allowed in Lodge.



I don't need them looking out for me, I have a good enough sense of responsibility of my own.


So far as I can tell you don't like dressing in a suit and you want your boss to hand you more money with out increased productivity. Sounds responsible enough..




If any mason can tell me they don't control the economy, and tell me it with absolute certainty... then I'll let that theory go and leave them alone.


Masonry does not control the economy. Some day I will, but me being a Mason will mean nothing to you then.




My neighbor is a mason, and his dad is up there.. like 33rd degree or something, and he really wanted to see my all-seeing eye anti-mason, anti-illuminatti tattoo and I was like ahhh why, hes the enemy... haha I didnt really feel comfortable abut meeting the man, but he seemed like he woulda been a freindly guy. My perception of masons has really changed in the past year.


Why would you tattoo your self with a message of hate?




Quite frankly, I don't care.


I wish more people had that thought. More people are concerned with other peoples souls then their own...



We got other things to worry about then some charitable clubs..


that we do, much to worry about.

Nice talkin with you.



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 06:55 PM
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I understand that you believe what you do and are proud of it, I am the same of my interests. There are too many connections between Masons and the NWO. If you look for it, it is hard to miss it. There is a guy I work with that comes in every day sporting his Mason baseball cap and huge jeweled Mason pendant necklace, he has 3 stick-on round logos on the back of his SUV. He walked in for an interview and I almost dropped my cup of coffee. I don't think he had a clue as to what he was representing. He was more proud of the fact that he had a sweet necklace and belonged to something that was "forward and positive," as he said. You may say, well he could very well know what he was doing. I will tell you he didn't. I asked him a few questions about the history of Masonry and he really didn't know much.
There are obviously Masons that will say, he's just new and not as serious about it as I.
Of course.
It was an interesting experience.
Ppretty much the last thing I would expect to encounter at work.



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 07:06 PM
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We do have a very interesting history in this country rockpuck and it's called Native American History that goes back much more than 200 years.

Besides, basic American history is also pretty interesting.

On another note how do you guys get those pics that are under your names?



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 07:52 PM
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its not a tattoo of hate, its a tattoo of warning.

It just basically means, beware of your surroundings. You'd have to see it to understand.


I am responsible, if that was a note of sarcasm. And productive. That was entirely my point on captilalism. You got the workers, who are the gears of society, and we get a fraction of the benefits, but thats besides the point of masonry and I'd be glad to explain my views on that elsewhere.

It appears there is much distorted information about there about masons.

Theres some other things I would like to add but its un-related to masonry and of no real concern to me so I'll reserve it for another time and place


Thanks for your input, I will probably come back and add more another time when I get more information, until then I'm going to reserve and presumptions and "word of mouth information"

As far as the story with the bones, theres something not right about it but I won't explain because I'm trying to protect the teller of the story, an experience of my very good freind. I wouldn't share any of that information without his consent.



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 07:55 PM
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yes thank you. Native Americans, Now theres a culture!



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 08:41 PM
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We do have a very interesting history in this country rockpuck and it's called Native American History that goes back much more than 200 years.


Yes, how romantic and very PC. It is not the history of this nation, this nation was born of Europeans under traditional European systems and new systems, it's history is roughly 600 years at best.

Go into the members center and copy / paste a link to an image under "avatar"



posted on Nov, 16 2007 @ 08:56 PM
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There are too many connections between Masons and the NWO.


There is no such thing as the "NWO" that is fiction, and has no scholarly base for such menial attempts to describe natural worldly events.



There is a guy I work with that comes in every day sporting his Mason baseball cap and huge jeweled Mason pendant necklace, he has 3 stick-on round logos on the back of his SUV. He walked in for an interview and I almost dropped my cup of coffee.


Does he rule the world to? Ohhh .. He is a lowly servent to the Masonic overlords.



I don't think he had a clue as to what he was representing.


I could only assume he knew quite well....



He was more proud of the fact that he had a sweet necklace and belonged to something that was "forward and positive," as he said. You may say, well he could very well know what he was doing. I will tell you he didn't. I asked him a few questions about the history of Masonry and he really didn't know much.


I have a Masonic necklace. I wear it under my shirt. I still wear it almost everywhere. I also have rings. I also have Masonic car tags. And yes, even a little round stick on square and compass. I suppose I am just proud of all of that huh? I am, but I have and can live without it quite easily, but I am not the kind that works to appear more acceptable for those who have a hard time comprehending things different then themselves.

And perhaps he just doesn't like you, quite honestly if this is how you approach "intellectual" conversations I can imagine it would be quite tiresome. I know I wouldn't talk history or politics with someone who believed an organization I belonged to was a part of a make believe society hell bent on world domination.

Honestly quite childish.



There are obviously Masons that will say, he's just new and not as serious about it as I.


Doesn't even make sense. I know members new and old, whether or not they wear this or that or have such and such on their car does not have lines in seniority, its a personal choice.



pretty much the last thing I would expect to encounter at work.


How sad, someone different then you walks into work and you think differently of him right off the bat because of his damn hat.

Says enough about you for me to judge.

CavemanDD:




its not a tattoo of hate, its a tattoo of warning.

It just basically means, beware of your surroundings. You'd have to see it to understand.


Hmm makes sense I guess, using Masonry as something to watch out for..




I am responsible, if that was a note of sarcasm. And productive. That was entirely my point on captilalism. You got the workers, who are the gears of society, and we get a fraction of the benefits, but thats besides the point of masonry and I'd be glad to explain my views on that elsewhere.


Capitalism is a game, and like a game there are many ways to play, many ways to win and far more ways to loose.

You can be a worker, or you can be the producer, the inventor, the investor, the owner, its up to you. Why should those who never try and play the game to win be rewarded? And winning does not always mean higher productivity. It means playing well.



It appears there is much distorted information about there about masons.


We can thank the many bible thumping websites out there who claim we are some kind of evil devil worshiping group of the damned.




As far as the story with the bones, theres something not right about it but I won't explain because I'm trying to protect the teller of the story, an experience of my very good freind. I wouldn't share any of that information without his consent.


Argg now you have me intrigued! I am sure there is a way to tell the story without revealing his identity.




yes thank you. Native Americans, Now theres a culture!


Wonderful culture. Not United States culture, but a lovely culture. If Native Americans dominated society and we went by their religion, their laws, their customs, their methods of governing and their ways of logic I would have to admitt them as being American culture and history. But they are not. And they do not have a written history to begin with.





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