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Are the Masons Evil?, page 8
reply posted on 15-11-2007 @ 09:46 AM by Rockpuck
reply to post by stompk
We Masons are not angry. I have yet to see a single angry Mason here.
We show little contempt when it comes to threads like this, that much can be seen. Many Brothers gladly answer your questions, and the questions of many other members but when people refuse to accept what we say and still demonize us, we don't get angry, but show little contempt.
If you where given the truth I have a feeling you would still choose to deny it.
Because I have decided to change my approach. This thread is full of a bunch of angry Mason and me.
We Masons are not angry. I have yet to see a single angry Mason here.
We show little contempt when it comes to threads like this, that much can be seen. Many Brothers gladly answer your questions, and the questions of many other members but when people refuse to accept what we say and still demonize us, we don't get angry, but show little contempt.
Maybe people think I being too critiical. I started a thread with a different approach. All I want is the truth.
If you where given the truth I have a feeling you would still choose to deny it.
reply posted on 15-11-2007 @ 11:49 AM by stompk
reply to post by The Y
Y, thanks a ton. It feels good not to be alone in this. I feel isolated. 3000 people looked at this thread, and a couple have chimed in to support me, or at least admit that I have a point.
The magnet theory
Y, thanks a ton. It feels good not to be alone in this. I feel isolated. 3000 people looked at this thread, and a couple have chimed in to support me, or at least admit that I have a point.
The magnet theory
reply posted on 15-11-2007 @ 05:01 PM by Rockpuck
reply to post by mastermind77
Masonry is not a religion, and adheres to no Gods, let alone Egyptian Gods.. As for "don't worship egyptian Gods"
I am firm in my beliefs
Judaism is a product of Egyptian religion to begin with, talk about hypocritical.
Cloning Humans? No Human has been cloned, and if it where to be done, it would be done by a scientist, most likely an atheist scientist. As for "9/11" as a ritual. Common. How absurd. You are entitled to your opinion, not to make up facts.
the bible says several things about the builders. 1 that jesus will eventually be made the capstone after the builders reject him, and terrible things happene.hehe. Then it has a warning to (stay clear of egypts religion?? and its curses,) could it be the masons. Building things endlessly never realising theres not enough to take care of it all?
Masonry is not a religion, and adheres to no Gods, let alone Egyptian Gods.. As for "don't worship egyptian Gods"
I am firm in my beliefs
Judaism is a product of Egyptian religion to begin with, talk about hypocritical.
I think high level illuminatists, witches, warlocks, alchemists etc.. are twisted sometimes in there reason and logic, which makes them do evil desperate things like cloning humans, or casting mega rituals like 9-11 for power.
Cloning Humans? No Human has been cloned, and if it where to be done, it would be done by a scientist, most likely an atheist scientist. As for "9/11" as a ritual. Common. How absurd. You are entitled to your opinion, not to make up facts.
reply posted on 15-11-2007 @ 07:29 PM by lazy1981
reply to post by Meatclown
Unfortunately I do have to agree that Al Pike is a major reason why people including myself are hesitant about Masonry.
Although his writtings lean more towards anti despotic ideas his passages about a Luciferian doctrine are very troubeling.
Wheather or not he uses the name Lucifer as it is (Falsely) traditionaly used or as some proclaim it to mean, "Light Bearer or one who enligthtens" is still yet to be explained.
I say falsely because Lucifer never appeared in the Bible pre Roman it only appeared when the Romans translated it into Latin. And in ancient Rome Lucifer was a name for Venus AKA the mourning star and was hialed as "Bringer of the Light or Flase Light."
But I am "not" against Masonry at all, and I don't beleive that they are all bad. Like everything in this world there are good and bad in everything.
Unfortunately I do have to agree that Al Pike is a major reason why people including myself are hesitant about Masonry.
Although his writtings lean more towards anti despotic ideas his passages about a Luciferian doctrine are very troubeling.
Wheather or not he uses the name Lucifer as it is (Falsely) traditionaly used or as some proclaim it to mean, "Light Bearer or one who enligthtens" is still yet to be explained.
I say falsely because Lucifer never appeared in the Bible pre Roman it only appeared when the Romans translated it into Latin. And in ancient Rome Lucifer was a name for Venus AKA the mourning star and was hialed as "Bringer of the Light or Flase Light."
But I am "not" against Masonry at all, and I don't beleive that they are all bad. Like everything in this world there are good and bad in everything.
reply posted on 15-11-2007 @ 07:45 PM by Rockpuck
reply to post by lazy1981
I am yet to see during my stay at this site an actual relevent reason for people to be affraid of Masonry. Mostly it involvs over zealous religous fanatics that are to consumed with themselves to realize the painfully obvious truth.
If you understood anything about your own religion you would know that the supposed Luciferian doctorine that you speak of, which I believe includes one sentance of his entire book Morals and Dogma. Lucifer is a reference to Venus, which is the Morning Star, which Jesus himself declared that he was the Morning Star.
No where in the Bible does it refer to Lucifer in reference to the Devil, that is a misconstrude assumption brought on the Middle Ages.
Its explained easily enough many times on this site. You just choose not to listen apparently.
Pike never said Masonry worships, or has anything to do with "Lucifer" in the sense that fanatics take it.
From Greek to Latin to English, the book is highly shrouded in errors.
Unfortunately I do have to agree that Al Pike is a major reason why people including myself are hesitant about Masonry.
I am yet to see during my stay at this site an actual relevent reason for people to be affraid of Masonry. Mostly it involvs over zealous religous fanatics that are to consumed with themselves to realize the painfully obvious truth.
Although his writtings lean more towards anti despotic ideas his passages about a Luciferian doctrine are very troubeling.
If you understood anything about your own religion you would know that the supposed Luciferian doctorine that you speak of, which I believe includes one sentance of his entire book Morals and Dogma. Lucifer is a reference to Venus, which is the Morning Star, which Jesus himself declared that he was the Morning Star.
No where in the Bible does it refer to Lucifer in reference to the Devil, that is a misconstrude assumption brought on the Middle Ages.
Wheather or not he uses the name Lucifer as it is (Falsely) traditionaly used or as some proclaim it to mean, "Light Bearer or one who enligthtens" is still yet to be explained.
Its explained easily enough many times on this site. You just choose not to listen apparently.
Pike never said Masonry worships, or has anything to do with "Lucifer" in the sense that fanatics take it.
I say falsely because Lucifer never appeared in the Bible pre Roman it only appeared when the Romans translated it into Latin.
From Greek to Latin to English, the book is highly shrouded in errors.
reply posted on 15-11-2007 @ 07:56 PM by lazy1981
reply to post by Meatclown
I have read alot of books on Masonry and even some on Gnositic Christianity because like I said earlier some say that that's Where the Masons get their "Dogma" from. But I have found that the more you search the more liquidity (if you will) the basic tenants of Masonry developes. Some how you end up chasing your tail around in a sense.
I have also found that Masonic traditions and rituals seem to be a mixture of alot of ideas, ideals, religions, and philosophies. For the most part I beleive that they are just doing as they say. Fighting fanatisism, tyrany, and ignorance.
When I read "The Meaning of Masonry by W.L. Wilmshurst" he put it as clearly as anyone can put it. This is not a direct quote but it's as close as I can remember. Masonry imparts its learned members with great powers, that can be used for great good or great evil. And this is why we must be choose wisely who we initiate. This is true in all things from government to the church.
We all have the capacity to do great things "and" horrible wrongs. The Masons have done things like create the greatest country in the world and have also commited some bad crimes. Nobody is perfect. But I don't beleive that Evil is their purpose.
I have read alot of books on Masonry and even some on Gnositic Christianity because like I said earlier some say that that's Where the Masons get their "Dogma" from. But I have found that the more you search the more liquidity (if you will) the basic tenants of Masonry developes. Some how you end up chasing your tail around in a sense.
I have also found that Masonic traditions and rituals seem to be a mixture of alot of ideas, ideals, religions, and philosophies. For the most part I beleive that they are just doing as they say. Fighting fanatisism, tyrany, and ignorance.
When I read "The Meaning of Masonry by W.L. Wilmshurst" he put it as clearly as anyone can put it. This is not a direct quote but it's as close as I can remember. Masonry imparts its learned members with great powers, that can be used for great good or great evil. And this is why we must be choose wisely who we initiate. This is true in all things from government to the church.
We all have the capacity to do great things "and" horrible wrongs. The Masons have done things like create the greatest country in the world and have also commited some bad crimes. Nobody is perfect. But I don't beleive that Evil is their purpose.
reply posted on 15-11-2007 @ 08:05 PM by lazy1981
reply to post by Rockpuck
Keep them on rockpuck. I'm not slamming anybody, just speaking my mind. And no I haven't seen any of the other conversations on this site because I'm a newb here. But I'm not new to information so don't start spouting at me I'm only making a point. Besides you make it seem as if I'm saying that you guys worship Satan when "I" said that it is a misgiving by most preachers that the passage that contains tye name Lucifer is about Satan was mistranslated and given the name Lucifer because of language barriers.
And I am completely aware of the # of times Pike refers to Lucifer in his book. I have an original copy.
Friends???
Keep them on rockpuck. I'm not slamming anybody, just speaking my mind. And no I haven't seen any of the other conversations on this site because I'm a newb here. But I'm not new to information so don't start spouting at me I'm only making a point. Besides you make it seem as if I'm saying that you guys worship Satan when "I" said that it is a misgiving by most preachers that the passage that contains tye name Lucifer is about Satan was mistranslated and given the name Lucifer because of language barriers.
And I am completely aware of the # of times Pike refers to Lucifer in his book. I have an original copy.
Friends???
reply posted on 15-11-2007 @ 08:23 PM by lazy1981
reply to post by euclid
The Illuminati came about alot earlier than the Civil War. Some say that they are responsible for the French revolution and that Voltair was one. George Washington even wrote about the Illuminati threat, and to the ney sayers it is fact not fiction that Washington addressed this. He was alarmed that it may spread to the Americas.
I am also of the opinion that the Illuminati may have highjacked the Free Masons at the upper echelon and that the rest of the Masons are kept in the dark. I never have beleived in "The Masonic Conspiracy Theory" but I am well convinced of the Elitest Illuminati One.
The Illuminati came about alot earlier than the Civil War. Some say that they are responsible for the French revolution and that Voltair was one. George Washington even wrote about the Illuminati threat, and to the ney sayers it is fact not fiction that Washington addressed this. He was alarmed that it may spread to the Americas.
I am also of the opinion that the Illuminati may have highjacked the Free Masons at the upper echelon and that the rest of the Masons are kept in the dark. I never have beleived in "The Masonic Conspiracy Theory" but I am well convinced of the Elitest Illuminati One.
reply posted on 15-11-2007 @ 08:41 PM by lazy1981
reply to post by Rockpuck
Hey rock, I have a serious question about symbolism and I'm not being obtuse so don't get all offencive OK.
The five pointed star was a pegan symbol that rep. the four elements (earth, wind, fire,water, and spirit atop making five points) correct? It also was used as a symbol af man with five points (head, both arms and legs outstreached) also correct?
Then when Cristianity came along they allowed converts to keep the symbol only changing the meaning to fit the five wounds of Christ (thorns in the head, puncture wounds in the hands or wrists,. puncture wounds through the ankles, and lance to the side) also correct? Bear with me I know I get pretty leangthy.
What would it represent to invert the five pointed star then. I've always been told that even in the pegan sense that it sould always point up representing that man is spiritualy oriented and not rooted in base matter?
Can you elaborate? Again I'm not being a smart a**.
Hey rock, I have a serious question about symbolism and I'm not being obtuse so don't get all offencive OK.
The five pointed star was a pegan symbol that rep. the four elements (earth, wind, fire,water, and spirit atop making five points) correct? It also was used as a symbol af man with five points (head, both arms and legs outstreached) also correct?
Then when Cristianity came along they allowed converts to keep the symbol only changing the meaning to fit the five wounds of Christ (thorns in the head, puncture wounds in the hands or wrists,. puncture wounds through the ankles, and lance to the side) also correct? Bear with me I know I get pretty leangthy.
What would it represent to invert the five pointed star then. I've always been told that even in the pegan sense that it sould always point up representing that man is spiritualy oriented and not rooted in base matter?
Can you elaborate? Again I'm not being a smart a**.
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