Greer @ O.C. MUFON Presentation Nov 10: A ReCap/Pics

Originally posted by Phil J. Fry

People who say things are "impossible" are proven wrong all the time, e.g. all the people who said "man will never fly".

This is a hillarious statement. You are able to fly ?! And no, greers levitation won't count here.

Oh come on Fry, you knew damn well what I meant.

Before the Wright brothers invented the first airplane, there were all sorts of prominent scientists who would declare, "Man will never fly [IN AIRPLANES]".

Those scientists sure have egg on their face now!

Going around declaring things to be impossible is a terrible attitude for scientists - and for people in general.

I'm much more interested in all the people who say that it IS possible, who are producing research papers and schematics, seemingly working devices, video footage etc..... and there are LOTS.

And that is the reason, why IgnoreTheFacts is absolutely right. People like you will believe ANYTHING and therefor harm us,

How do MY beliefs harm YOU or the rest of ATS, Fry? What difference does it make what *I* believe?

who are really interested in the topic and not on the hunt for a new messiah.

This again?

Even after I've told you over and over that Disclosure is a team effort?

Steven Greer could not possibly have gotten as far as he has without help from MANY people. He is no "Messiah" and he cannot possibly "save the world" single-handedly.

Seemingly working devices ? Show me ONE!

Search on "overunity" or "free energy" on Youtube or Google. There's lots, and lots, and lots....

The Steven Mark torroidal power unit one is particularly impressive.

Breaking all known physical laws ? Hell yeah, gimme more, i'll buy three. The earth is flat ! Sure, most of us know, that it's impossible, but as soon as a simple country doctor tells you otherwise, you'll believe.

But they don't break all known physical laws, Fry; that's the whole point.

The energy has already been proven to exist, and it pervades all of Space. It's just a question of figuring out how to tap into it - which many have already done, using things like magnets and special circuit configurations.

Tesla had it all worked out 100 years ago already and had plans to supply the whole world with energy for free, before JP Morgan shut him down....

I don't care how passionate he is, or how eloquant his speeches are. ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE. That is all we ask. One single, tangible, piece of proof. for any of it - aliens, technology, over-unity devices, etc, etc, etc....

I am really starting to feel dis-enchanted with this entire scene. With the power of the Internet as far as commuinication between people goes, the fact that we still have nothing to show for all these claims makes them a joke and a farce and it is tiresome to see the same bs spouted over and over again.

Please, prove me wrong! I would love it!

reply to post by KaiBosh


Text, photos, audio, even video footage on the Internet cannot be considered sufficient proof of anything.

Greer CAN'T prove many of these claims over the Internet, he would have to do it in person. By taking you on a "vector party", or taking you to meet with the inventors involved with AERO and check out their devices, etc.

What troubles me is the mention of needing to be on the astral plane in order to experience what Greer claims. This discredits Greer to me even more.

reply to post by MrdDstrbr


lol so you think free energy doesn't break the laws of physics?

and you think perpetual energy machines exist but there's a massive conspiracy by energy companies to keep them off of the market?

the designs for such machines are freely available on the internet yet news channels and what not haven't picked up on them (they have, and have even tried to make them on shows like myth busters, but none of them work)?

tesla made a free energy device but was shut down by jp morgan?

every historian and scientist disagrees with you?

man you need to learn to seperate fact from fiction. as it is, youre accepting imagination as reality and that's really distorting your view on reality to the point that you sound kind of bonkers.

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how come the designs for any of these "free energy machines" aren't published in scientific journals so that they can undergo scrutiny by other scientists? if they worked, someone would publish them. then other scientists would build them. its how peer review works. no peer review = no scientific method = imagination becomes blurred with reality like alchemy and religion in the middle ages.

the problem is that youre not interested in science. you, and other people following free energy devices and guys like icke and greer, are interested in science fiction. youre not interested in reality- youre interested in believing reality is what you want it to be like in your imagination and dreams- and you'll blindly follow anyone who tells you that. there in lies the road to insane beliefs.

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[edit on 11/13/07 by RedDragon]

Originally posted by RedDragon
lol so you think free energy doesn't break the laws of physics?

Correct. Overunity generators are perfectly acceptable as long as they are OPEN systems that receive energy from an outside source.

Wind, solar, and hydro generators are all Overunity. A generator at a waterfall can generate power indefinitely, as long as the river flows....

There are sources of energy around us that are pretty much inexhaustible. The Earth happens to be a giant Magnet and we can tap energy from its magnetic field.

Also, the "vacuum" of space isn't really empty at all but a raging sea of energy - some estimate the energy density to be at least 10^94 g/cm3. "Enough energy in a cubic centimetre of space to power the whole Earth for a day....."

There is already unlimited energy around us, it's just a question of figuring out how to tap into it - which Tesla and many others have already done.

and you think perpetual energy machines exist but there's a massive conspiracy by energy companies to keep them off of the market?

Energy companies, the Oil men, international bankers, military-industrial complex etc. "The Real Powers That Be."

"Free Energy" gives too much power to the people and to poor countries, it cannot be tolerated by the PTB who have invested TRILLIONS in their centralized, oil/fossil-fuels based power grid and control structure.

the designs for such machines are freely available on the internet yet news channels and what not haven't picked up on them (they have, and have even tried to make them on shows like myth busters, but none of them work)?

All the major mainstream news networks are owned by the same small group of people.

I've seen the Mythbusters show on free energy, and it obviously had a heavy debunking agenda.

According to Bedini, they didn't even replicate his design properly!

tesla made a free energy device but was shut down by jp morgan?

Yes. If you're not aware of that fact, please go do some research into Tesla and educate yourself.

every historian and scientist disagrees with you?

No, not every scientist - see Eugene Mallove, Ted Loder, Tom Valone, Bearden, Bedini etc.... plus all the new names associated with the Potomac Energy Project.

There's an ever-growing body of support for "free energy" from scientists and inventors.

man you need to learn to seperate fact from fiction. as it is, youre accepting imagination as reality and that's really distorting your view on reality to the point that you sound kind of bonkers.

Actually you are the one who is being Ignorant.

Your entire argument seems to simply be "Free energy? Hah! Everyone knows that's impossible, you're crazy!" - while you appear to have done ZERO research into the subject!

At least I have researched it and know what I'm talking about..........

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i know Greer, i've spoken to him...he's no fool...but he's also no threat, that's why he's still alive...soon as u start talking about aliens ur credibility is shot....that's what's saved him...& the fact he's an emergency doctor who helps alot of people....BUT....alot of what he's talking about IS TRUE...we may get to see 'Great Signs & Wonders' yet....alot of this incredable tech. may be brought out for the NWO show....right now it doesn't suit them...good $ to be made in war & oil.....yes there is et's out there, yes some of them a bad bastards...& yes there is wonderful tech. that has been 'stolen'...Stan Meyers murder & Hydrogen on demand tech. for one....Greer is still alive because he hasn't got anything that threatens them....(like Stan did).......................GB

Originally posted by RedDragon
how come the designs for any of these "free energy machines" aren't published in scientific journals so that they can undergo scrutiny by other scientists? if they worked, someone would publish them. then other scientists would build them. its how peer review works. no peer review = no scientific method = imagination becomes blurred with reality like alchemy and religion in the middle ages.

And here again you demonstrate the fact that you have done ZERO actual research into this.

Publications like "Infinite Energy Magazine" have been publishing data on this for YEARS.

Bearden and Bedini have a book out, "Free Energy Generation - Circuits and Schematics", which has all the data necessary to build one!

And there are lots of other people posting data and schematics and video on the web.

And now there's the Potomac Energy Project, with over a dozen inventors being protected under a strategic umbrella and receiving millions in funding.

All these things you're demanding are actually out there to find, RedDragon..... if you'd actually bother to look.

the problem is that youre not interested in science.

No, it appears that you're the one who's not interested in science, because you obviously haven't done any research into this. It seems that you're more interested in calling people crazy and trying to turn them AWAY from free energy.....

you, and other people following free energy devices and guys like icke and greer,

I never said I follow Icke - at least not the whole shapeshifting-reptilian thing.

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If Greer goes with equipment and teams and has had 11 direct encounters with disks and ships, you would assume he'd film it. To not do so would be irresponsible. Before, Greer avoided all non-officials, non-intel/military as though we wouldn't believe all the other people. Now that Greer, himself, talks about his experiences, is he still on the officials-only page, or is he willing to include other experiencers? Finally, Greer's reported claim that the grays are just Hollywood disinfo props is arrogant and inconsiderate. Who would you believe on the subject: hundreds if not thousands of earnest, deeply expressive people whose stories consistently corroborate, or a man who says they're all mistaken, a man who is clearly favored by visiting aliens?

I think most of us prefer the larger body of evidence, although Greer has done some good work. But when it comes to critique or actual study of off-world population's internal dynamics, Greer is afraid to see anything other than Pollyanna. Imagine a reporter here with such an attitude. He'd be posted in a Disneyland exhibit with candystripes on his coat.

Originally posted by RedDragon
how come the designs for any of these "free energy machines" aren't published in scientific journals so that they can undergo scrutiny by other scientists?
[edit on 11/13/07 by RedDragon]

This is one giant appeal to authority, which means it is illogical.

There does indeed exist inherent pressure in the media and mainstream science to keep a lid on socially controversial topics, simply because people's jobs and reputations are at stake. It's really not that difficult at all to understand. It's human nature and natural.

Originally posted by gl2
Finally, Greer's reported claim that the grays are just Hollywood disinfo props is arrogant and inconsiderate. Who would you believe on the subject: hundreds if not thousands of earnest, deeply expressive people whose stories consistently corroborate, or a man who says they're all mistaken, a man who is clearly favored by visiting aliens?

Actually, Greer says that Grays, and Reptilians, do exist. But the idea is that there has been some quite sinister and terrifying Genetic-Engineering research going on in secret facilities for decades. The "Grays" and "Reptilians" are allegedly PLFs - Programmed Life Forms.

They ARE real, and alive, and ugly as scary as hell, but they are not actually of Extraterrestrial origin - they are grown in labs by elements of the secret government!

Allegedly that is what has been going on in the infamous Dulce facility, and also a few other facilities in the UK and elsewhere.

So when people have these terrifying Abduction experiences and they see these Grays and Reptilians, they are seeing real beings - but those beings are part of a massive psychological-warfare operation.

(According to Greer, and several of his DP witnesses - allegedly )

He also said of the aliens that there are no hostile alien species, that there are many varieties, but that “the Grays” are merely a Hollywood manifestation designed to “scare” the public into fearing aliens, a disinformation campaign that continues today. When pressed on the Roswell “crash”, Greer asked the audience if they really thought that a craft capable of traveling through space and operated by advanced beings could really arrive at their destination only to fumble and crash into the surface. He reiterated that they were shot down, and that…

"He also said of the aliens that there are no hostile alien species, that there are many varieties, but that “the Grays” are merely a Hollywood manifestation designed to “scare” the public into fearing aliens, a disinformation campaign that continues today. When pressed on the Roswell “crash”, Greer asked the audience if they really thought that a craft capable of traveling through space and operated by advanced beings could really arrive at their destination only to fumble and crash into the surface. He reiterated that they were shot down, and that…"

I FIND THIS HIGHLY IGNORANT AND UNBELIEVABLE. It is a well known fact that the Grays are very,very real and hostile to say the least but just pawns themselves most likely. They were reported in the Roswell crash as well as millions of other sitings and abduction experiences, awake or in dream states. Hypnosis is also a great way to bring grays back into memory. So, for Greer to claim that is outrageous to say the very least. And I'm sorry to tell you that nothing is perfect and malfunctions can occur so Greer is wrong when he says they can't crash because they are "advanced" beings who are capable of space travel. Wouldn't we be ''advanced'' beings too if you actually were doing what you say your are? I'm thinking he works for the enemy now actually by that sort of wild announcement. That just happened to be mentioned on Larry King Live who is working for CNN..

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I too, have been frustated that Dr.Greer has "4-6 hundred I've read,
ex GOV workers, Pilots, specialists, ect. Who Are willing to "Testify before Congree to tell what they know"; yet no congressional "Tesamonies have yet been made before Congress".
That being said, I do beileve Greer & The Disclosure Project "Are Trying To Bring About *THE DISCLOSURE,THE TRUTH, ECT."
I get an "Updates email from Disclosure quite frequently, and I urge anyone who is interested in what they are "Up To & Trying to get done", should sign up for their(FREE),e-m Up
*** www.disclosureproject.org...
****Here is the LINK 2 Get "Updates(Free),from The Disclosure Project"!
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Note to all those receiving this second Disclosure Project press release entitled "Insiders Expose Reasons for UFO Secrecy". Please note that two paragraphs - those referring to Laurence Rockefeller and to Bill and Hillary Clinton - have been removed from the second one. The service we use for sending out press releases: PRNewswire.com refused to send out the original press release with those references. It was referred up the chain of command at their organization and censored by them. When you think that we have a free press, think again. This was not even censored by the outlets themselves, but by the entry point to those outlets!

INSIDERS EXPOSE REASONS FOR SECRECY (Revised)
Washington, DC

Disclosure Project (www.DisclosureProject.org) Director Dr. Steven M. Greer reports that government insiders have revealed the existence of a shadowy, highly classified program related to UFOs.
The reasons for the secrecy are simple: The inertia of highly classified programs, embarrassment over past illegal actions taken to enforce secrecy, and the fact that the energy and propulsion systems behind the mysterious UFO objects have been studied and fully understood. This disclosure would spell the end for oil, gas, coal and other conventional forms of power - and with that, the end of the current oil-based geopolitical order and economy. The truth is our tax dollars have been used to investigate this matter for decades and it is time for a dividend on that investment. The full disclosure of the facts will enable humanity to attain a sustainable civilization without global warming or the need for oil.

Recent calls for a US government investigation into UFOs have not taken into account the fact that such investigations are on-going, highly compartmented and top-secret.

Dr. Greer states "As early as 1993, when I personally briefed CIA Director James Woo!
lsey on the UFO matter, we knew of on-going, secret projects to which President Clinton and Mr. Woolsey were denied access. The senior counsel for the Senate Appropriations Committee, then headed by Senator Byrd (D-WV) told me directly that upwards of $100 billion per year was going into so-called ‘black’ projects, including UFO programs, but that with a top-secret clearance and a subpoena power, he could not penetrate the veil of secrecy."
Since then, The Disclosure Project has uncovered thousands of official US documents and over 400 top-secret military and corporate witnesses to programs dealing with UFOs, along with project code names and numbers. Such operations are rogue and deny access to Congressional oversight committees.
The Disclosure Project is calling for open hearings in the Congress and UN so that these whistle-blowers may testify. Previous government/civilian panels, such as the Condon Committee of 1969, proved to be white-wash operations and were penetrated by CIA involvement. Dr. Greer states "We feel that an open hearing process would be the best avenue for our democracy to reassert control over these rogue operations. We have have hundreds of heroic whistle-blowers who need to be heard.

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That is too funny. Obviously the paranormal powers of ATS are increasing. Several people predicted Greer would attempt to horn in on anything that didn't include him, just as he did on the Roswell anniversary, announcing a heretofor new, but alas, anonymous witness. And voila! the prediction has come true. Now just watch as the skeptics attempt to debunk the obvious predictive powers of ATS.

Originally posted by schuyler
That is too funny. Obviously the paranormal powers of ATS are increasing. Several people predicted Greer would attempt to horn in on anything that didn't include him...

I didn't know that we were all that good? Amazing, huh?

Then again, when Leader Greer sticks to his fairly basic script, there's little that he can do, which is genuinely creative and original.

Give a man a fish, he has one meal

.......................................................teach him how to fish & he'll sit in a boat all day drinking beer

Originally posted by anti72
I mean, this is serious, no game or half baken BS.

there are only two possibillities:


-either he and his whole 450 witnesses are made up , complete and for tactical porpose by the gov/NWO/black mesa whatever complex.

-or this is a true project with real witnesses, and ´they´le it happen´
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The first option has crossed my mind a few time since i learned about Disclosure Project and CFI, perhaps its a clever way to make us all contemplate the possibility of ETI/UFOs more than we usually do, so the alien threat wildcard could be played later when needed. This is educated, credible and seemingly sane people coming forth to tell the truth but they could instead be working on a obscure agenda. Look at Germany in the 1930s, they managed to dupe a whole nation, millions of people, using effective propaganda, fear and scare tactics.

(One of the Disclosure Project witness (video) made a reference to Wernher von Braun where he warns us about weaponisation of space).

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54 flags? For these road apples? Wait until the "list" next year, stacked like vinyl on the turntable. All those little support droids; "I did this!" I love information and perception warfare. Hey does the guy not have the balls to become a member like any respectable dis-info agent?

Mira