Why Lemuria and Mu?

I've heard there's a billion year old stone wall in Oklahoma. Any truth to this claim?

I doubt Oklahoma was there a billion years ago.

I'll tell you what my source is on that, Herbie Brennan's book Martian Genesis.

p.s. A very interesting read btw...

[edit on 12-11-2007 by Raoul Duke]

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Possibly a reference to this?

www.viewzone.com...

It's clearly natural geology (though you might need to be a geologist to recognise that) - I doubt it's a billion years old, but there are some Cambrian and pre Cambrian igneous intrusions in the lower part of the State, so it may be a few hundred millions years old

reply to post by Essan

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That is a very cool link, and a neat find. I don't know that that's the wall Herbie Brennan is talking about, I don't own that book (I actually read it while I was working at a bookstore).

Does it say anywhere how old the ruins are supposed to be? Did I miss something in the article? What are those supposed to be ruins of?

Ok, well because i'm currently typing into what call a pumpkin it must mean that keyboards dont exist right?




yeah may have gotten that wrong. I subscribe to Michael Tsarion's work there.




Well you kind of helped my point a bit there mate - New York and London having identical writing would only be possible in a stage of advancement that allows contact and travel between opposite sides of the earth....

Just like in the past..



But you know what, i am quickly coming to a realisation about certain topics on ATS - there is no winning the debate.

I feel like i could literally find fault in every official line i could but there would still be people out there who simply refuse to think that the world could be any other way than that which they have been taught.

I'll say it again - WHY do our current mainstream researchers and scholars simply HAVE to be right? Its so dogmatic and it drives me nuts!

People will simply NOT seriously consider any alternative researchers the second some Harry McScientist turns around and says the truth is only the way he says it is! Why do we trust and believe these guys so dogmatically!?

The best thinkers have always been those who challenge the existing facts - and through stepping outside the box they make some amazing discoveries!

I will continue to believe whole-heartedly in the lost continent i choose to call Mu.

you mean like your example of Rongo Rongo which dates from around 1300CE and the Harappan script which dates from 3500 years earlier ?

have you actually studied either or are you repeating something you heard elsewhere ? if so where was it and who said it ?

this is Harappan

image source: http://www.harappa.com/script/gif/parpola11.gif

and this is rongo rongo
image source: http://www.deniart.com/gfx/rongosampler.gif



there are one or two similarities which I notice such as the symbols that look like an "A" or a "W"

but when you compare either with say this ancient script
image source: http://www.monstermosaics.com/simages/alphabet.jpg


you soon notice that there are just as many similarities. this does not prove that our alphabet is linked to Rongo Rongo or the Harappan script either ?

your claims for Mu really don't stand up. Should you decide at some point to check for yourself you won't find any reference of it anywhere dating before the middle of the 19th century, because thats when it was first mentioned.
The Troano codex which is the original source for the name which was translated incorrectly by Augustus Le Plongeon can now be read very easily. It doesn't mention a lost continent called Mu at all. Augustus Le Plongeon also claimed that the Maya were responsible for founding Atlantis and the Egyptian civilisation so you can't pick and choose if you are championing his ideas as credible. You have to support them all. theres no middle ground really when you are basing a personal belief on the imaginings of a 19th century photographer who had no linguistical training at all.

wherever you now hear someone publicising about how something is part of the lost continent of Mu you always find that the only reason they are saying it is because they are making something out of it themselves.

No, of course i dont have the time to do full-on research into past civilisations and prove or disprove such statements, but i do read alot of books on the subject. Almost every (non-spiritual) book i've read on past civilisations talks about the Rongorongo script - so the research has been done by someone else and many scholars agree with it.

but the scripts DO look similar, so should we consider the fact that maybe these two cultures did influence eachother? They're on opposite sides of the PAcific - it just makes sense.

but is it 2,300 years of 3,500 years between them? i'm confused - you said both. Either way, it's not completely impossible to consider that one script took thousands of years to cross continents. In those 2,300-3,500 years the script could have easily have evolved and changed.

I know this isnt scientific proof onany level - but i am not the one who will make it proof. I do think that concepts like this are not impossible. We cant just close our minds to valid ideas.

Rongorongo and Harappan are MUCH more similar than comparing to English - you know that. i know the point you're making but i think thats a bit of a stretch to be honest i think.



But that is SO wrong! i've read a few books which detail the cultural myths and creation epics of so many Pacific region countries and almost all of them talk of a motherland which sunk into the sea thousands of years ago - does this not count for anything?????

Even Australian aboriginals talk of such a sunken motherland - could they ALL be making this up????


ALso, i never once said Augustus Le Plongeon was the be-all and end-all of Mu research. As i said before, if i say i'm typing on a pumpkin, does it mean keyboards dont exist?

i consider the best sources to be those cultures who have descended from Mu - and they all believe in the sunken motherland.

But text books and scientists dont trust that source, hence its deemed worthless - funny thing that

the only person I have ever heard of who claims that Rongo Rongo is similar to Harappan is David Hatcher Childress. One chapter later he was claiming that Aliens were equipping the natives with Nuclear weapons. No genuine scholar would ever make that claim

the reason why they wouldn't is very simple

Rongo Rongo is a writing system used to record the Polynesian languge which is the origin of the easter islanders. Rapa Nui (easter island) wasn't settled until arouns 1200CE

Harappan is a writing system used to record the Dravidian language which is a proto Hindu script. It was in use from 3000 til 2000BCE. thats between 4200 and 3200 years after the Harappan script fell completely out of use and was replaced by Sanskrit

not only are the languages that these two system derived from but the people who spoke it are not genetically connected in any way shape or form and are seperated by more than three millenia of time. and half the planets surface so you'd need both a time machine and a spaceship to make this one possible

your claim that almost all of the islanders in the pacific region claim to have come from a sunken land is simply untenable. It makes the assumption that they are all seperate groups with their own identity and developed in complete isolation from one another. In reality they are all interrelated and their Cosmologies reflect this. You are doing the same as being amazed that many western cultures know the story of Darth Vader. We all have heard this story because we are all in contact with each other and we all came from the same place.

there are in fact just 17 stories that tell of a flood from pacifica
www.talkorigins.org...
not one of them claims that the people came from a sunken land called Mu
if your source for this information is the same as the source for your earlier claim about Rongo Rongo and the Harappan script then its easy to see how you reached this conclusion but as you can now see it simply isn't true

hope this helps, I'm trying not to be too critical but if you want to draw conclusions you need to study the cultures you are theorising about outside of science fiction loosely disguised as history

David Hatcher Childress is highly regarded and has carried out some very solid research. I havent seen the alien nuclear weapon remark, but i enjoy his work alot. Frank Joseph is another scholar who wrote of the Rongorongo connection - he does refer to Childress a bit though so could be the same source - not sure.




yes but according to who and what? I mean we really can go round in circles here but that is only fact if you discount other evidence which contravenes that version of the story.



genetics dont play a part here - i am stating that the two cultures merely influenced eachother and that their common link was a once-existent land mass.




Ok, well i know i cant prove this to you now, but there are CERTAINLY other tales of floods and sunken lands but i cant get to them now. and they DO specifically mention sunken motherlands and culture bearers coming from such places. I have to find them though. If i can i will have a look tonight, but it may take me a bit longer than that unfortunately.

Tonight on Coast to Coast............11/12/2007
hypnotherapist Dr. Bruce Goldberg will discuss the origin of Egypt and how it relates to ETs, time travelers, and the lost continents of Atlantis and Lemuria.

Just in case anybody wants to give it a listen as it pertains to this very subject.

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David Hatcher Childress is not highly regarded. he writes complete junk and is a known pseudo historian
please read this article to get a true idea of what his theories are worth
jcolavito.tripod.com...
Frank Joseph is the editor of "ancient american" the historical equivalent of the weekly world news

I have just given you the proof that Rongo Rongo is not related to Harappan unless you have both time travel and access to aircraft

if you are asking for this information only to ignore it then please stop asking.
I seem to be completely wasting my time

You might care to read the books Eden in the East and Out of Eden by Stephen Oppenheimer. Not only does he provide a likely explanation for such myths (the inundation of Sundaland at the end of the last ice age) but he also shows the spread of peoples across SE Asia, Australasia and the Pacific based on DNA studies (which tend to be more reliable than interpreting myths)

[edit on 13-11-2007 by Essan]