The Rainbow Conspiracy - what is this picture?, page 4
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reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 10:56 PM by wierdalienshiznit
reply to post by Jadette



thats right,the scrap metal value alone would be a big enough incentive not to bury it.


reply posted on 12-11-2007 @ 12:04 AM by mentalempire
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IMHO, ignoring ANYONE is instant credibility suicide. I've NEVER had ANYONE on my ignore list, not even Lear. Alright...these trains...supposedly DoD has stamped a paper "active"...well that probably means that they're RESEARCHING it, not DOING it. We have seen no actual evidence that they are digging or have dug these tunnels.


reply posted on 12-11-2007 @ 12:28 AM by wierdalienshiznit
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in that case they wouldnt have just buried it where it could be excavated so easily.

unless those responsible for disposing were being negligent,which wouldnt surprise anyone.

p.s,do you think there wasnt secret tunneling equipment?,theyve probable moved onto lasers or water jets by now though.

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reply posted on 12-11-2007 @ 04:38 AM by Havalon
reply to post by internos



Heh Heh, You Guys!! You are great. Internos you are incredible!
Mystery found, mystery solved! or maybe not! Still more questions and theories, I love this place!

Now is it just me, or does the first machine seem ‘different’ to the gubberment machine?
The bright shiny DoD machine looks almost looks like a copy of the first pic, however no matter which way I screw my neck around or hold my tongue, I have trouble saying to myself, ‘these are both the same machine’.




Just speculatative, but what if the DoD were trying to copy or figure what this thing did and then got the ‘fright of their lives’.
Maybe they were too ‘cautious’ to strip it down and decided the best thing to do was to bury the darn thing and put their own in a shed!





reply posted on 12-11-2007 @ 05:42 AM by stompk
reply to post by mentalempire



Dude, if your so convinced it's a magnet, move on, nothing to see here.

Let the rest of us discuss the possibilities.

I think it's part of a wormhole drive, ie time machine.

I'm a master electrician, and I immediately thought magnet.

When the said they had six, I thought six points around a circumference.

These are obviously designed for an opposing magnetic force, since fusion is to push the atoms together.

There would have to be some sort of device in the center.

But six of these focused in the center, or focal point, could be something fantastic.

What makes me think time machine comes from John Titor (timetraveller_0)

He said when you reach your time destination, there is a pile of dirt. The pile of dirt in the original picture made me think that.

Just speculation of course.





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reply posted on 12-11-2007 @ 08:05 AM by Umbra Sideralis
May i ask why it is so normal in here, every time some one puts a foto about some type of "odd" thing, everybody scream "photoshoped", "CGI", but that never happens about fotos that came from "Official serious" sources!??

look better:




I am not a picture expert, but something looks weird to my eyes in that picture. The "huge brass coloured" thing looks like "pasted" there.
So for the "real" photo i scream "Photoshoped" or CGI!!
It's not so hard to get a sample of the "object" from the original foto, make a 3D object with it, rotate it and paste it like in that supoused "official" photo!

P.S.- I noticed that thing is been moved on what apears to be wood logs!??
Quite disturbing....we move ultra high tec on wood logs like the old civilizations?...weird.

[edit on 12-11-2007 by Umbra Sideralis]Correcting typos

[edit on 12-11-2007 by Umbra Sideralis] Adding "CGI" & the 3D model theory.

[edit on 12-11-2007 by Umbra Sideralis] adding P.S.

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reply posted on 12-11-2007 @ 10:03 AM by Jadette
Originally posted by zorgon
Originally posted by Jadette I might even have a copy around the house somewhere.

I would love a scan of that one... or at least the date and name of the paper


It was the LA Times, and I suspect in 1986. I kept the article because at the time as an engineer it was pretty eye opening, just the picture alone was attention catching, let alone when they started flashing the word Fusion.

I'll look for it this afternoon and try and get it posted.

But for now, look at say, the public article in Energy and Technology Review, from November 1986.

An interview with Ken Fowler, LLNL`s Associate Director for Magnetic Fusion Energy, is presented.^Dr. Fowler describes the present state of fusion research at LLNL and comments on future directions for the program.^Also included are the following: (1) evolution of the tandem-mirror approach to magnetic fusion, (2) MFTF-B, (3) overview of plant and equipment tests, (4) PACE tests: the magnet system, (5) PACE tests: the cryogenic system, (6) PACE tests: the neutral beam heating system, (7) PACE tests: the ecr heating system, (8) PACE tests: the plasma diagnostics system, and (9) PACE tests: the integrated control system.^(MOW)


That at least, should verify that the MFTF-B project wasn't secret since it was being publicly written about.

Or this:

www.sciencemag.org...


Science 9 October 1987:
Vol. 238. no. 4824, pp. 152 - 155
DOI: 10.1126/science.238.4824.152
Prev | Table of Contents | Next

Articles
Articles

Fusion's $372-Million Mothball: Livermore wanted to be a contender in the race to design a commercial fusion reactor; but it lost without ever getting to turn on its big mirror machine
WILLIAM BOOTH


I can find lots of citations, so I doubt that it was on the hush-hush.

THIS might explain the history of US Fusion research to everyone. It's a report done in 1995 explaining...well the history of US Fusion.

www.ofes.fusion.doe.gov...

There was some disbelief in this thread about our capablity to do something like this in the 1970s. However, we've been working on such projects since the 1950s, it was a spin off from hydrogen bomb research.

Here's some more about the project:

www.doeal.gov...

And finally, LLNL won an award for recycling the parts from the MFTF-B project: (long link, cut and paste)

72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:aPxC3aO0V5gJ:hss.energy.gov/NuclearSafety/NSEP/p2/data_entry/reports/d_Awards_Before_2006_Details.aspx%3FID%3D161+MFTF+re used&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us


During FY 02 Bill Maciel managed two projects that utilized the concept of Assets for Value subcontracting. The scope of the first project was to deactivate a cryogenic recapture facility (B433), and disassemble a 60-foot diameter by 80-foot tall steel tank. The cryogenic recapture facility was used in support of the 1980?s era Magnetic Fusion Energy Program?s, Mirror Fusion Test Facility (MFTF). The tank was constructed for the assembly of the National Ignition Facility?s, Target Chamber. The second project decommissioned and removed all of the power conversion and power supply equipment associated with the MFTF experiment. The cryogenic recapture facility (B433) was used to re-compress vaporized liquid nitrogen and liquid helium after it was used to cool the electromagnets associated with the MFTF. The facility housed large compressors, cryogenic liquid storage tanks, and high-pressure gas storage tanks. All of the excess equipment was removed and the empty 5000 square foot building was returned to the LLNL institution for reuse. All of the equipment associated with B433 was made available to the D&D subcontractor in exchange for D&D services. All of the equipment was recycled or resold by the subcontractor. For example, 60 - thirty foot long high pressure helium tanks were sold as high pressure pipe sections (after the end bells were removed), and 100 foot long nitrogen tanks were cut up and recycled. Additionally, large electric motors (up to 5000hp) were sold and reused by industry. The large steel tank was constructed to create a controlled environment for the assembly of the 35? diameter National Ignition Facility (NIF) Target Chamber. The tank was constructed of welded steel sheets and was secured to a 30? concrete foundation. The tank was dismantled by the subcontractor at all of the welded joints and trucked to a steel rolling facility where the sections were rolled to the original tank specifications. The sections were then made available to industry for re-assembly as a storage tank. The concrete foundation was crushed and recycled as road base. The power equipment associated with the Mirror Fusion Test Facility had been abandon for over 15 years. The equipment consisted of the following: 19 large oil-filled transformers, power distribution towers, 432 oil-filled high voltage capacitors, 192 concrete pads, 1000? of concrete cable trench, and 24 electrical control cabinets. The equipment was configured in an area that covered 63,000 square feet. All of the equipment and concrete were removed, recycled and or reused by industry. In total 4,040 tons of concrete, 25,000 gallons of oil, 1,167 tons of metal, and 250 tons of equipment were diverted from the LLNL waste stream by these two projects. Additionally, the Assets for Value Program made these projects feasible by offsetting some of the costs associated with the subcontracted D&D services. The two projects returned almost 100,000 square feet of real estate to the Laboratory to help address future building needs.


(My apologies for the large quote, I put the abstract here in whole, due to the link being from a Google Cache, in case it disappeared.)








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