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The Rainbow Conspiracy - what is this picture?


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reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 05:48 PM by Full Circle


Originally posted by internos
It looks like some old-type voltmeter or some other measurement device to me too.

And yes, at the both sides, they looks to be modular counterweights, of those in which you can add-remove modules...


More like the view from behind a pair of steamed up spectacles, looking at a man in a tunnel.



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reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 06:00 PM by zorgon


Originally posted by NJ Mooch
After checking out the links to LLNL I read nothing that says this was a failed project.


Like wise not seeing the words 'failed project" either

The Tandem Mirror Fusion Test Facility

Abstract
The Tandem Mirror Fusion Test Facility (MFTF-B) proposed to take the place of the Mirror Fusion Test Facility (MFTF) under construction since 1978 and scheduled for completion in 1982 is presented. The tandem configuration, inspired by the success of the Tandem Mirror Experiment, is expected to represent an increase in confinement time from 10 msec to several seconds and in power from 1/30 to almost equal to breakeven over the original MFTF, while using essentially all of the equipment currently under construction. The tandem mirror cell planned would employ a combination of the simple mirror solenoid and the minimum-B single cell which counteracts the limitations of each cell alone, making possible high values of the power input/output ratio. A thermal barrier is proposed to create a potential difference between plasma at the center and plugs of the cell without requiring high neutral beam energy and magnetic fields. MFTF-B represents an expansion of the original systems, including the vacuum vessel, vacuum and cryogenic systems, magnet system, neutral beam source, microwave power system, and operating system. MFTF-B can be completed by 1984 and represents a significant advance in the physics and technology of mirror reactors.


Harvard Papers

So this is listed under Plasma Physics and they state represents a significant advance in the physics and technology of mirror reactors.

Project started in 1978 and there needs to be a pair of them to work...

So if we have SIX buried... what the heck were they up too? Whether or not this is UFO related, it CERTAINLY is secret project related and thus perfect for ATS to 'dig up'




The data was from the caption of the image stompk posted



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reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 06:07 PM by Evasius


Many stories I've heard regarding alien machinery or back-engineered craft actually refer to the fact that the 'writing on the walls' is essential to its operation. They're actually symbols of instruction that either allow it to operate or enhance its performance. I've heard of quite a few cases where symbols were found, the most popular being Roswell. It was also most recently brought up again in the CARET Drone hype/hoax and was an integral part to the story.

The following is a clip from a Disclosure Project interview with Brigadier General Stephen Lovekin in which he speaks specifically about inscriptions on debris from a crashed alien craft. (fast-forward & watch 2:30 - 4:50).

www.youtube.com...

There are a few reasons why it might have been included in this particular story, The Rainbow Conspiracy. The most unlikely is that it's actually alien in origin and very old. The metal's level of oxidation should have been a giveaway, and from what I've seen in the photo it was well intact.

Another reason could be that the creators of the story wanted it to be more believable or interesting to true UFO aficionados. A witness account of symbols or writing on strange equipment requires further investigation, and if deciphered would solve the mystery. However left in as a side note, it only adds to the mystery.

The most likely scenario (assuming alien technologies have been recovered by the government at some point in the past) would be that this equipment actually is a failed government project. However it's the nature of the project that's in question -- if it did indeed have symbols on it, then its purpose wasn't exactly what was reported on that government website. The designing engineers were hoping it would do something spectacular, and they were basing their hopes on what the original was able to do. Unfortunately, it looks like they might have tried to mix alien & human technology and also improvised some of the mechanics. Aside from being a failed project, it could have been a complete disaster resulting from its unpredictability, hence why it was buried. (Google 'Montauk Project' for an example). But I personally can't see why there would be any mention of it anywhere on any official government site -- maybe this was just the government covering their butts after it was discovered.

Who knows? But I'd say there's a bit more to the story than we've found so far.



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reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 07:27 PM by Mike_A


You know how people on here say that the sceptics wouldn’t believe even if aliens landed on the white house lawn? Well here we have a picture that has been presented as an alien artefact and when a perfectly logical and plausible explanation is given for it people still find a way to embellish it with something extraordinary. Either it was built by aliens, ancient humans who wiped themselves out (sort of) or it was really part of some multi-dimensional experiment that went wrong. Just an observation.



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reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 07:31 PM by spikedmilk


Wow, I never expected the thread to go as far as this. Again, Thank you all. Its kinda like when you throw a party you didnt intend on throwing and it turns out to be a blast. Good times.

Well, I cant deny the MFE expalnation is the best one so far. And I'd be lying if I had said that I didnt believe that was the answer. But that does not mean I like to entertain other possibilities. Lets say "what if".

What if this more than we're being told? Is it possible? Absolutley. Disinformation baby.

Now, I really dont believe it is a stargate. Tho, I do like the idea of stargates, for this to be a stargate or considered one. I'd say we'd have to to think like what was represented in the movie "Contact". More of gyroscopic in nature. I think I need to see this puppy keyed up first make that assumption.

What if....there ARE 6, and all 6 are fired up in key points around the globe. Say.............like the star of David? I know thats wayyyyyy out there, but I'm throwing it out to ya none the less.

What if... (this might be my favorite "out of the quasi-box" thought.) I'm surprised no one has mentioned him yet.............TESLA.

thanks again!
spikeD.


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reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 08:12 PM by Evasius


Originally posted by Mike_AWell here we have a picture that has been presented as an alien artefact and when a perfectly logical and plausible explanation is given for it people still find a way to embellish it with something extraordinary.


An Embellishment is anything that enhances the appearance of something without having any functional purpose. A good example of this would be racing stripes (aka go-faster stripes) on a car.
-- Wiki

I disagree Mike_A. Simply asking 'What if...' or running through plausible scenarios is not embellishment if it's done to uncover more information. It is embellishment however if it's only mental masturbation that adds nothing to the discussion.

Many here at ATS tend to take things a little further than 'round 1.' That's actually why I come here, to get what CNN or the BBC cannot (or will not) offer.



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reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 08:17 PM by mentalempire


Urgg. This is one of the few things that bugs me about ATS. Something can be plainly and irrefutably debunked and yet people STILL insist on stubbornly clinging to a totally wrong theory.

Stop making us look like idiots, people!



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reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 08:33 PM by Mike_A


It’s not “what if’s” that I’m talking about, it’s the “I think there must be more to this” kind of statements.

People are clearly trying to find ways of making this more unusual than it already is. My point is that there are people in this thread that can’t simply let this go as being perfectly normal (relatively speaking); they have to look for things that suggest it could be alien or whatnot, no matter how illogical or implausible it is.

It’s the same thing these hard core believers accuse sceptics of, i.e. that no matter how much evidence/proof there is of some alien conspiracy the sceptics will never believe it. Swap sceptics with believers and alien conspiracy with something more mundane and you have the exact same thing, except threads like this show that rule to be true for the believers.


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reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 08:46 PM by NJ Mooch


So I did some looking around and found this:

The Compact Torus Experiment (CTX) at LANL reached a core electron temperature of 400 eV in a series of experiments in 1989-90, some four years after OFE funding was terminated at the end of FY86. The decision to terminate funding was made at a time that the US alternatives program was winding-down, and was made on the basis of the difficult decisions needed as available funding declined. That the decision was not driven primarily by the physics is indicated in the continuation of the program until the fall of 1990 on Defense Programs funding for hypervelocity creation and on some internal monies.

www-ferp.ucsd.edu...

So the important part is where it says another program continued at LANL, not LLNL, until 1990. That is 4 years after the LLNL project ran out of money. Who funded the LANL project? The Defense Dept.

What was the Defense Dept doing with this project? They were working on hypervelocity creation.

So what is hypervelocity?

Hypervelocity tends to refer to velocities in the range of a few kilometers per second to some tens of kilometers per second. It is especially relevant to the field of space exploration and military use of space, where hypervelocity impacts (e.g. by space debris or an attacking projectile) can result in anything from minor component degradation to the complete destruction of a spacecraft or missile. The impactor, as well as the surface it hits, can undergo temporary liquefaction. The impact process can generate plasma discharges, which can interfere with spacecraft electronics

and
The properties of metals under hypervelocity have been integrated with weapons, such as explosively formed penetrator. The vaporization upon impact and liquefaction of surfaces allow metal projectiles formed under hypervelocity forces to penetrate vehicle armor better than conventional bullets.

en.wikipedia.org...

So what was the DoD up to back in the late 80s? I can imagine 3 things:

1. They were working on space equipment that would get hit by objects that were at speeds starting at Mach 8.8

2 They were working on objects that operate at speeds starting at Mach 7.3 for structural metals

3. They were working on EFPs

I just wanted to add this info since this research was taking place at more then one facility for more then one reason.



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reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 08:48 PM by mentalempire


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I would guess that perhaps they were trying to build a hypersonic railgun or what have you.



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reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 08:49 PM by skyblueff0


I'd like to thank spikedmilk for creating this thread, and internos for his/her contribution to it. Its topics and threads like this, that got me interested and to join ATS in the first place.

p.s. you both got stars from me.....

but yes, just relating to tesla, here's a list of article's he written, maybe you can find something of interest spikedmilk: www.tfcbooks.com...

and definitely look into leedskalnin, the guy that built "coral castle," he has his on theories about magnetism: keelynet.com...

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reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 09:24 PM by spirit7


It definately looks like some sort of throne or cockpit in the middle. Other then that, I don't know what it is?

Actually, I'm no genius but wouldn't a spacecraft capable of traveling long distances in space require a nuclear reactor in the middle surrounded by a repulsion ring of constant magnetic fusion?

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reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 09:26 PM by mentalempire


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Read the thread, it's a humongous magnet of sorts.



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reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 10:07 PM by Bspiracy


What i don’t understand is why anyone here would actually think these things were not currently being used somehow.
“the project was mothballed” While this may be true, burying these things in the ground wouldn’t accomplish anything. I would think it would be LESS expensive to take them apart than to dig the things into the ground. In one of the pictures you can see trees and that thing has to be at least 100ft tall. Bury it? hrmm..
If they were to “bury it” then instead I would say they were “relocating” it to a place where it could be used for 1 of I’m sure 100 other purposes.
It’s openly accepted that a lot of facilities are underground. I don’t think a normal hangar opening would accomodate these being hand carted to their position and then of course you have the stairs to navigate..

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reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 10:15 PM by mentalempire


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Dude, the only comment on burial from an official source is that it "may have been buried". This is speculation only. There is no actual proof that it was buried.



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reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 10:25 PM by wierdalienshiznit


looks like tunnelling equipment to me,

not a drill head but a claw like device used to dredge up dug earth from a vertical/diagonal dig.

lots of tunnels going around...



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reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 10:27 PM by mentalempire


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ARG, guys, please read the thread! It's a freaking magnet!



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reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 10:32 PM by spirit7


It doesn't look like conventional mining equipment to me? I don't buy that. I think it was probably buried to hide something. In doing so they are damaging the environment and the soil with an object that big, but that's another story and somehow I think that was the least of their worries.

And also, read the thread IT'S A HUGE MAGNET for some reason, LOL!



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reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 10:34 PM by spirit7


Originally posted by mentalempire
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Read the thread, it's a humongous magnet of sorts.


I know, sorry I confused you. I'm throwing some stuff out there in regards to it being a giant magnet. Also, to me there appears to be some sort of a cockpit in the middle of it?



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reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 10:38 PM by mentalempire


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Could be. The do-dad had to have been controlled from somewhere...



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