Undetected CHINESE submarine pops up during US Navy Exercise

Undetected CHINESE submarine pops up during US Navy Exercise

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The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced
By MATTHEW HICKLEY - More by this author » Last updated at 00:13am on 10th November 2007

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When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.

At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world\'s only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.

That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.

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Are we on the verge of a major global war? China has seen us as the future enemy for some time...



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Because a Chinese submarine showed to be more high tech than expected? I dont really see the connection. Dont you have US subs in Chinese waters?

If I could only see the face of the admiral in charge of the exercise
What a rude awakening for the US Navy. Time to pick up the slack.

necessity breeds innovation. for 18 years now we have had no military equal and while we still advance our military power america hasnt had a threat to light a fire under our butt. this maybe it. plus china has a now booming economy they can now finally afford to start making a more advanced army. ive heard that they were using there older outdated military to mask the technologically advanced military they're building. i feel were on the verge of something but its to soon to say what.

pretty wild story man....it said that this sub would have been in range to launch on the carrier once it surfaced..

check out the carrier

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The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines.
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says they have 13 of those subs.....pretty wild man....i never woulda thought something could pass by more than a dozen of our boats.

There is nothing that they could do about it till the sub took a hostile posture, I highly doubt that our subs protecting the fleet did not see it. They were more than likely followed the whole time by a LA boat ready to shoot. I remember a time when Russia needed a warning so our navy pinged every soviet sub at the same time world wide in the rear just to let them know that we had them at any time and that they needed to back off.

Great I love it! Nothing better than seeing some equal competition.

It's easy to get complacent when your at the top.

Originally posted by Sky watcher
There is nothing that they could do about it till the sub took a hostile posture, .

who said anything about doing something about it??

would have been nice to at least know it as there. least thats what i'm thinking

Ok, I just read the article and got a few questions and some comments since some of it doesn't make sense to me.

First, this was a US exercise that took place in the Pacific. Why would NATO be the source of this info? Who are these senior NATO officials? Why aren't they named? I understand that the US shares info with NATO, but something like this shouldn't come from a NATO source.

Is this exercise a routine one? Since it took place between Taiwan and Japan China should have an idea of when and where the US ships would be. So with that in mind how hard would it be for China to hide a single sub in the area where the US fleet would sail over during an exercise and pop up at the right time? Not hard at all. This does tell us that the Chinese can plan ahead of an exercise and have a sub in hiding. That in itself is something to think about, but doing something like this during normal operations would be worth mentioning, but this isn't the case.

They mention that 2 US subs are usually included in the defense screen. Where is this US Naval doctrine listed? Is that open source info or something they made up from rumors or previous info? How do we know that there were any US subs involved in this exercise? We don't, and they also say that the subs apparently didn't detect it. So this part is based entirely on info that wasn't available. That's great reporting...

The other thing I instantly thought of was the reaction of the US and NATO. Acting this surprised is a way of giving the Chinese a false sense of confidence. The reaction would make China think they are just as good as the US. Did any of you think about this tactic?

How do we know that the US didn't know the Chinese sub was there? Is this all a plan to build up the confidence of the Chinese knowing that the US can take them out whenever they want?

I am not saying that this could have happened the way it was reported, but we don't know all the info on the exercise and how much of it the Chinese new ahead of time. We also don't know if any US subs were taking part in this exercise. Without this info how can anyone report a story like this if there wasn't an agenda behind it? That is why I mentioned the building up of China's confidence. The US doesn't let things like this happen for now reason.

I may seem to lean towards the US, but we don't know all the facts and I doubt we ever will. I take this article as a US directed propaganda story to help build Chinese confidence in their Navy.

[edit on 20071110 by NJ Mooch]

Didn't this happen this time last year ? I'm unsure whether it's a new incident or a re-hash of old news.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

EDIT Found a link to an interesting story regarding possible delays to the new CVN21 aircraft carrier & DDG-1000 destroyer project due to the USN's inability to combat the Sizzler anti-ship missile. Probably worthy of a thread in its own right but a bit pressed for time.

www.bloomberg.com...#

[edit on 10/11/07 by Niall197]

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yeah man, that would of been so funny to see. I think we were just given a message. They were showing us how they can come right up on top of us without our knowledge.

None the less don't look good for the US.

maybe china is trying to instigate the US to make a first move. seems like the whole world is playing a giant game of castles.. feels like everyone is just waiting for someone to make the first move so they can follow it up with a nukes and bombs and everything that isn't necassary.

i've been thinking and saying something big is going to go down on a global scale for a long time now, a few years. but now i truly feel some sort of global conflict is right around the corner.

the 2008 elections could be big.

Well there is no way of knowing if the USN was tracking the Song Class submarine before it surfaced. The USN is hardly going to make its capability to track Chinese submarines public. Well that is my 10 cents anyway.

[edit on 10-11-2007 by xpert11]

My Opinion

Both countries seen one another and were surprised to find each-others dealies

No super secret plans or conspiracies etc.

Ah, a glitch in the matrix.

There is no way a Chinese Song class submarine is going to make any furtive movements toward a carrier class of Us naval ships.

There is no way that US Navy "the worlds most accurate intelligence organization" was going to react to any sighting or foreknowledge of a Chinese
submarine in the range of a naval operation.

The US and the Chinese both know that they are off limits to each other.

This is similar to the "cold war" days when fighter pilots would fly within the safe zones of the other sides pilots, sometimes even "locking on" their weapons systems.

Its good to keep the fear up

Originally posted by justanothergangster
ive heard that they were using there older outdated military to mask the technologically advanced military they're building.

That would be kind of a "stealth" tactic, which is a main part of any military. I'd say it's true. I don't see it as a "coincidence" - the chinese SURELY knew of the presence of an American battle FLEET when they surfaced. IMHO, it was the Chinese saying "you can't see us".
What good is an aircraft carrier with massive escort if it can easily be sunk?

Originally posted by NuclearPaul
the chinese SURELY knew of the presence of an American battle FLEET when they surfaced. IMHO, it was the Chinese saying "you can't see us".
What good is an aircraft carrier with massive escort if it can easily be sunk?

Or it may have been them surfacing after a friendly message to surface or else. Impossible to tell. The poster a few post back summed it up, we no nothing from a news article that could be, and probably is distorted.

[edit on 10-11-2007 by Redge777]

Originally posted by Shar
reply to post by Beachcoma

 

yeah man, that would of been so funny to see.

I think we were just given a message. They were showing us how they can come right up on top of us without our knowledge.

None the less don't look good for the US.

If this is how it really happened, and an unmarked sub popped up close to a carrier.....

They should count their blessings it wasn't sunk within the first couple of minutes. At the very least tracked or boarded.

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yup, I think this was a boo boo by the chinese, because now the USN knows to go back to the drawing board on this, and China lost the element of surprise