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posted on Nov, 28 2007 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by dk3000
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The wizard is right on the money as is Lear with the exception of a few key points which are not enough to debunk their theories.

The problem is they have no evidence that their ideas are correct. Neither have supplied any credible evidence of the existence of the sophisticated holograms.


The people have been deceived on a scale so massive that it defies comprehension- which is exactly what it was designed to do. It is not a failed red-flag op. Quite the contrary- it worked like a charm.

This is an interesting opinion.


The government does not give a hoot about conspiracy theorists and never has- in fact most conspiracy theorists are unwittingly propagating disinformation causing even more confusion and distrust with facts- clearly affirming incompetence- which only serves to support the government not being able to pull off such a massive ruse.

ie john lear and wizard in the woods


David Copperfield made a jet disappear on the tarmac- the Statue of Liberty disappeared and many more events. The powers that be are even better magicians- thus anything is possible.

Well not anything is possible. Nobody has the ability to defy physics. This is why there were no hologram planes.


And while we argue fact and fiction- our freedoms are being systematically destroyed and many times with our go ahead for the safety of the nation.

This is a very valid and real point that should be understood by everyone.


Everyday this becomes more evident- the debunker's are relentless, repetitive and they will never stop- EVER.

Well I think many people misunderstand the difference between a skeptic/truth seeker and a debunker. For example, John Lear keeps posting his fanciful ideas as fact. Many people ask him to prove it yet he won't do so in any way. So does demanding a person back up what they say mean we are debunkers or simply truth seekers?




posted on Nov, 29 2007 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123
Obviously by this statement you are intent on purposely misquoting and misrepresenting information on this thread.


Obviously you are only going by 1 piece of evidence and not looking at all other evidnece and reports on the matter. You should do more research and not just stick to one small piece of evidence.

So actaually it is you that is misrepresenting information.



posted on Nov, 29 2007 @ 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jfj123
Obviously by this statement you are intent on purposely misquoting and misrepresenting information on this thread.


Obviously you are only going by 1 piece of evidence and not looking at all other evidnece and reports on the matter. You should do more research and not just stick to one small piece of evidence.

So actaually it is you that is misrepresenting information.


I caught you deliberately misquoting me !!! Give it up. The one piece of evidence is you getting caught doing it and I don't need a report to show me this. I don't need to research you misquoting me as I already did and posted it to prove it.



posted on Nov, 29 2007 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123
I caught you deliberately misquoting me !!! Give it up. The one piece of evidence is you getting caught doing it and I don't need a report to show me this. I don't need to research you misquoting me as I already did and posted it to prove it.


Oh give it up. Stop the dramatics.

I have proven you wrong so now you have to resort to different tatics.





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posted on Nov, 29 2007 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jfj123
I caught you deliberately misquoting me !!! Give it up. The one piece of evidence is you getting caught doing it and I don't need a report to show me this. I don't need to research you misquoting me as I already did and posted it to prove it.


Oh give it up. Stop the dramatics.

I have proven you wrong so now you have to resort to different tatics.

[edit on 29-11-2007 by ULTIMA1]


I simply don't understand how you think it's acceptable to deliberately misquote people to mislead others then lie about it. I'm shocked that a military person would have such a convoluted sense of what is right and wrong.

Let me simply say, you have not proven me wrong about anything. My main discussion points have hovered around the hologram story. That story continues to be fiction as it has never been proven otherwise.



posted on Nov, 29 2007 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123 I simply don't understand how you think it's acceptable to deliberately misquote people to mislead others then lie about it.


You mean like you misquote or twist the things i post?



posted on Nov, 29 2007 @ 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jfj123 I simply don't understand how you think it's acceptable to deliberately misquote people to mislead others then lie about it.


You mean like you misquote or twist the things i post?



It never happened. Just one more thing for you to misrepresent.



posted on Nov, 29 2007 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123
It never happened. Just one more thing for you to misrepresent.


Oh, do you really want me to go back and quote the things you misquoted or twisted?



posted on Nov, 29 2007 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jfj123
It never happened. Just one more thing for you to misrepresent.


Oh, do you really want me to go back and quote the things you misquoted or twisted?



Yes please. That would be wonderful. I'd really appreciate it



posted on Nov, 29 2007 @ 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123

Yes please. That would be wonderful. I'd really appreciate it


This was 1 i came up with real quick, i am sure there were other where you kept trying to twist what i stated.

posted on 28-11-2007 @ 16:56 single this post "quote"REPLY TO:

So obviously you agree that the plane damaged alot of core and perimeter columns which would lead to building instability. One column support wasn't damaged. Two column supports weren't damaged. A LOT of column supports were damaged according to the video with which you agree.



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posted on Nov, 29 2007 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jfj123

Yes please. That would be wonderful. I'd really appreciate it


This was 1 i came up with real quick, i am sure there were other where you kept trying to twist what i stated.

posted on 28-11-2007 @ 16:56 single this post "quote"REPLY TO:

So obviously you agree that the plane damaged alot of core and perimeter columns which would lead to building instability. One column support wasn't damaged. Two column supports weren't damaged. A LOT of column supports were damaged according to the video with which you agree.

[edit on 29-11-2007 by ULTIMA1]

OK this is pointless.
You agreed the video was correct.
If you have eyes that work and are literate, you can count for yourself and see how many columns were damaged in the video.
My statements posted above are factual. What is not factual about what I posted?
I said you agree with the video because you said you agreed with it. DUH



posted on Nov, 29 2007 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123
My statements posted above are factual.


It was not factual you tried to twist what i stated.



posted on Nov, 29 2007 @ 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jfj123
My statements posted above are factual.


It was not factual you tried to twist what i stated.


I did not twist anything, I repeated what you said. Look, arguing about this all day is pointless as you simply don't seem to get it.

Does anyone have any posts about crazy claims regarding 9/11 conspiracies and why they are crazy?



posted on Nov, 29 2007 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123
I did not twist anything.



But you did.

Since when is looking for the truth crazy?



posted on Nov, 29 2007 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jfj123
I did not twist anything.



But you did.

Since when is looking for the truth crazy?


I never said you were crazy. I'm telling you that you cannot prove I misquoted or misrepresented anything you said.
All I know is if you really work for our government, I weep for us all



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 01:25 AM
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Originally posted by jfj123
All I know is if you really work for our government, I weep for us all


Why becasue i can do research and post facts and evidence?

Or becasue i post facts and evidence that does not agree with what you believe happened?



posted on Dec, 1 2007 @ 02:54 AM
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The one thing that i see most out of 9-11 is magc, namely dark magic. I personaly get tired of being fringe along with many others who believe the same things. To me 911 appears to be a ritual. My guess is that if holograms, then that means we need to consider what else in the tech spectrum our benficient masters are doing. And what games they play with their cool toys.

What would you do if you were a fascist, had huge bank, and power? Oh and possibly alien technology? Its just a question.



posted on Oct, 26 2008 @ 05:51 PM
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Basically the twenty or so witnesses to planes were news producers or their wives or at best reporters. No Joe the plumbers.Having gone thru several stages of piecing together from all the information both good and bad over the web I have come to the certain conclusions given the limited information I can piece together. Several people have pointed to WTC7 as being the smoking gun for the 911 truth movement but I think now the real smoking gun is the lack of planes at any of the attack sites.I remember every time I turned from one channel to another the unnatural and obvious different lighting from each channel. I remember also how each of the networks had a simultaneous blackout during the programming just after the plane crashed. What could have caused that? I remember feeling it strange that the only first hand witnesses to planes were high ranking news producers, their wives or other media reporters, no Joe the Plumbers here. I remember that no Black Boxes for any of the planes have ever to this day turned up. I remember no prosecutions have ever come up for those people who bet heavily with "put options" that the stock for American Airlines and United would fall after 911No Black Boxes. No pilots! No scrambled jets! Osama said he didn't do it and I believe him! The people in those planes are probably dead. Many would have been possible witnesses to the truth so the plane crash was a good story to get rid of them. Many other people died mysteriously after and before the Kennedy assassination. I keep comparing these two events because they were done by the same people maybe a new generation. Oliver Stone never quiet let us know the real truth in JFK just like in his 911 movie. He is big liar to tooAnd if you look at the flight list of the four planes that disappeared that day you can imagine the reasons these particular people were gotten rid of. One cameraman for Fox news. Several worked for Raytheon, Lockheed, General Electric, an NBC producer who wouldn't cooperate, a US navy physicist, members of the Defense department, Boeing Engineer , defense contractors, auditor and partner for PricewaterhouseCoopers, ten software developers, several communications specialists. Why did these particular people die. The planes on TV were just Blue screen technology .



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 03:44 PM
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No planes is not equal to holograms being used. The use of missiles (probably some type of JASSM missile painted to look similar to a united airlines flight) planted explosives, and maybe some sort of other weapon we don't really know about is the most logical explanation. Both missiles (small planes), and explosives were reported on the scene of 9/11 as being heard and seen. Multiple people said on television that they did not see a jet before the second hit, there were also reports where people said that what hit the tower sounded like a missile, and it would be very easy to tell the difference between a missile and a huge jet flying above you.






All of the video they showed on the news was fake, all of the planes were fake, no planes hit the towers, no plane hit shanksville, no plane hit the pentagon, it should become more than obvious once you watch all of September Clues

Google Video Link
and if that's not enough-www.psy-opera.com... that link is a scientific analysis of the news footage that day, easy to understand and essentially should be enough to prove to anyone that the videos, amateur and professional, were fake. I challenge anyone to attempt to debunk that PDF. The 9/11 truth is that there were no planes, once everyone realizes this we can easily hold the people who made the fake video, showed the fake video, etc, responsible for helping to cover up the real events of 9/11.



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[edit on 30-10-2008 by evilempire]





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