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we will be forced to do what is right and not allowed to make other people miserable like it is now.
the next time G-D cleanses this earth it will be by fire and this fire will be so intense that the oceans will evaporate and be no more
13:9 The show of their countenance doth witness against them, and doth declare their sin to be even as Sodom, and they cannot hide it. Wo unto their souls, for they have rewarded evil unto themselves!
26:19 And it shall come to pass, that those who have dwindled in unbelief shall be smitten by the hand of the Gentiles.
I am new to this site and this topic is a good one to debate. I truly believe that religion especially the Catholics, have underminded even the greatest leaders of all time. Remind you, I am not a religion basher, I just believe all religions were started to gain some type of contrl over the masses. By threatening the masses with fire and brimstone for non conformance to whatever relgion it may be, it works well alongside a leader or dictator. They soon realized that together they had almost total control over the population. Thats why our forefathers seperated church and state but any person can clearly see that it sounds good oin paper but there really is no seperation. The church can interpet the bible to agree with anything they want you to believe, such as gay lesbian, drug addiction and a slew of others to justifie their stance.I myself was raised cath. but now only have a strong belief in a higher power , if you will. The existance of being or beings who are there in spirit and I believe ingrained in our deepest dna. For me I pray to one God and I really think we all as humans NEED something to believe in no matter what that may be. Soi I am sorry for the long missive but I wanted to throw it out there and see what others think. joey 978
Originally posted by jakyll
I see a problem with this thread....
As most users are American,i'll assume most of the replies are form Americans.
It seems to me that Christian faiths in the US are pulling away from the Old Testament.Am i right???
Over here in Britain,as in Europe,the OT is still just as important as the NT.And not just bits of it,all of it!!
It may not include the figure Jesus,but it includes God.And,if you believe in the Holy Trinity,then Jesus is God,so therefore the OT is important to Christians!
Originally posted by jakyll
There's also that time when the Angels visited Sodom and the locals supposedly wanted to get carnal with them,but this guy is like,"nah mate,you can't do that.but here,have my daughter and concubine and gang rape them til dawn."
I've often wondered about the incest thing, it always gets overlooked doesn't it. You can't fall in love with someone of the same sex, but you can have sex with your own children, and sisters can have sex with brothers!??!
You have to understand the situation there. The whole men of Sodom, both young and old wanted to gang rape the guests. In this situation, mob rape. These are a crowd bent on lawless violence. You can see the whole psychological condition of the citizenry of Sodom. They were utterly sex crazed violent rapists.
5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us,so that we may know them.
They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them."
And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally.”
you say how many times does G-D need to make things right-failed adam and eve kills all except noah and his family and Messiah couldnt save all He met.------------this earth has been in existence for billions of years.there are anywhere from 29-31 different strata on the planet with different life forms in them.some scientists that believe in G-D believe the earth has been used as a test bed for creating different lifeforms and when the time came that G-D wanted to create other creatures instead--------They cleansed the earth and started over again------not because the previous experiments were failures but just because G-D likes to create different creatures.
Originally posted by jakyll
reply to post by amitheone
So why a change of words?
It was preached during the Medieval period by some idiot that "to know someone" means to know them sexually.But,as the link below shows,to take that meaning leads to a whole buch of ridiculous assumptions!
The whole thing becomes absurd as it is totally out of context and changed the whole meaning of the intended original message. lol.
Sodom in Judaism represents the archetypal cruel and unjust society that refuses to share its wealth and consequently abuses outsiders to keep them away.
Though homosexual acts were included among the 613 Mitzvah or Commandments,the people of Sodom were seen as guilty of many other no less significant sins.Rabbinic writings affirm that the Sodomites also committed economic crimes, blasphemy and bloodshed.One of the worst was to give money or even gold ingots to beggars, but to inscribe their names on them, and then subsequently refuse to sell them food.The unfortunate stranger would end up starving and after his death,the people who gave him the money would reclaim it.
A rabbinic tradition, described in the Mishnah, postulates that the sin of Sodom was related to property: Sodomites believed that "what is mine is mine, and what is yours is yours" (Abot), which is interpreted as a lack of compassion. Another rabbinic tradition is that these two wealthy cities treated visitors in a sadistic fashion. One major crime done to strangers was almost identical to that of Procrustes in Greek mythology. This would be the story of the "bed" that guests to Sodom were forced to sleep in: if they were too short they were stretched to fit it, and if they were too tall, they were cut up.
1:194-195.Now,about this time the Sodomites,overwhelmingly proud of their numbers and the extent of their wealth,showed themselves insolent to men and impious to the divinity,insomuch that they no more remembered the benefits that they had received from him,hated foreigners and avoided any contact with others.Indignant at this conduct,God accordingly resolved to chastise them for their arrogance,and not only to uproot their city,but to blast their land so completely that it should yield neither plant nor fruit whatsoever from that time forward.