reply to post by jakyll
Jakyll and others on this board,
I see these posts crop up from time to time with regularity. On both sides of this issue they teach and preach mostly nonsense...emtionally charged
nonsense to justify thier positions.
Jakyll...you are correct when you imply that Christians are ignorant of many things...even about Christianity. I have found many of my Christian
Bretheren to be so..with regularity. They know very little Christian Bible or history much less any other religions and history.
However..I will clue you and even many of the believers in on the subject of this thread and prohibitions.
The laws and prohibitions you quote are from the Olde Testament. The dietary laws in particular do not apply under the New Testament. Ironically many
Christian Believers are so often and needlessly befuddled when presented with these texts. I am not under the Olde Testament Bondage. I am not under
Ishmael..but under Issac. All attempts such as yours are to bring us under Olde Testament Bondage...not under New Testament Grace.
And this on an attempt to justify your real beliefs by bringing into contrast these other prohibitions which you claim Christians dont follow. They do
not apply to them under Grace.
You and others can very easily neutralize unknowlegable Believers..still on milk and not strong meat with the tack you are trying to take here. It
works quite well on these people.
One of the purposes of these laws and restrictions in the OLde Testament was to show that these people were not like the nations which surrounded
them...the heathen and pagan nations. They were to dress differently..prepare their foods differently, sow and glean thier fields
differently...worship differently...etc etc...
All of this to show that they were not like the nations which surrounded them.
About Homosexuality...You and others mislead many Believers here and also once again many Believers are easily mislead because they do not know much
history or Bible. This is very easy to do with mans "Human" method or rationalizing.
The simple overview of the bible and history both, is that men ...Believers...both Olde and New Testament were never to define themselves by thier
sexuality.or sexual orientation...ever.
Why is this???
Because the nations surrounding Ancient Israel...were already doing this in their religious holidays and ceremonys ..carte blanche...across the board.
By this I mean Homosexual and Heterosexual both. They were both committing abominations in this arena. This is easy to research if one is willing to
do the historical digging on these other nations surrounding Ancient Israel. Most versions of history have been sanitized in this arena or truth about
the customs and traditions of the nations surrounding Ancient Israel.
The simple fact of the matter ...is that No one ...under the Olde Testament or New Testament dicipline is instructed ...ever..to define themselves by
thier sexuality or sexual orientation. For to do so is to be as were the Nations surrounding Ancient Israel. This dicipline stands unto this day.
No proper thinking individual...defines themselves by thier sexuality or sexual orientation....ever....for people are so much more than sex and
I am not saying that people dont have sex or sexual relations...just that they do not define themselves by sexuality or sexual orientation..period.
One must be educated in the wisdom of this world to be that naturally stupid that they dont recognize this to be true.
Yet this group...Homosexuals...use this single identifiable fingerprint to declare thier greatness to the world. Only education in the wisdom
religions or the wisdom of this world can dumb a people down so far that they do not recognize this fingerprint.
At the same time ..there are many heterosexuals which use this same fingerprint to declare thier excellence. Sexuality and sexual orientation. This
too is ignorance and institutinalized stupidity. THey too do not seem to know the difference. It too is abomination.
Oh..by the way...the Wisdom Religions...the wisdom of this world ..is preciesly what the Nations surrounding Ancient Israel were doing and engaging
in...and for which the Ancient Israelis were told not to do or observe. Runaway rampant sexuality was practiced by many of these nations. Particularly
this was true around their pagan holidays and festivals.
But to set the record straight....this is exactly the disobedience for which the Ancient Israelis..did in fact do and we have the record of this
throughout the Olde Testament and into the New Testament. That they were in fact disobedient in this. This is precisesly why they lost the land by 70
And to clear this up...many of the New Testament Churchs are in fact following this same fingerprint in disobedience. Identifying themselves by
sexuality..and mixing new wine with olde...leven with unleven....among other abominations they are practicing...even in ignorance.
No thinking individual defines themselves by their sexuality or sexual orientation...ever!! You have to be educated in the wisdom religions without
knowing the differernce to get this naturally stupid.
People are so much more than mere sexuality..homo and hetero. Why limit ourselves by this fingerprint and then be ignorant enought to declare this
nonsensse to be greatness when it is obviously not??
Notice...that this line of thought is not brought up by the so callled "experts" on this topic today. It is totally avoided. This is not
It is designed to keep us all in ignorance..homo and hetero on this issue.
For the record...proper thinking humans ...define who and what they are by thier lineage, their occupations, or some great work they have done and
left to posterity...never their sexuality or sexual orientation. This applies homosexual as well as heterosexual
For to do this ..declare our greatness by sexuality or sexual orientation ..is just plain institutionalized stupidity. People are so much more than
sexuality and sexual orientation.
Thanks to all for thier posts