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reply posted on 9-11-2007 @ 03:46 PM by intrepid
reply to post by shuck



Well I think Don Imus tested your theory and he's out of a job.


reply posted on 9-11-2007 @ 03:48 PM by Digital_Reality
reply to post by intrepid




Not for long, I hear he is comming back on the radio. But I got your point.



reply posted on 9-11-2007 @ 04:27 PM by dawa
reply to post by SimiusDei



In Scotland, bullying in the workplace is supposedly not tolerated (Ive never experienced it or know someone who has, so I cant say)

As someone mentioned earlier, it depends on who says it and why... Where I work, we take the pi.. out of each other quite frequently. To an outsider listening in it would probably sound quite bad! But the fact is we all know each other, we don't pick on any "real" sensitive issues and overall its just a bit of a laugh. We are perfectly respectable toward people we don't know well or people who don't "join in".

I dont know about other places, but in Scotland we have this " ah its just a bit of a laugh " mentality... its always been here and probably always will. Even if they make taking the pi.. illegal.. youll find itll still be done on a regular basis between people who really do know each other and know the limits



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reply posted on 9-11-2007 @ 04:48 PM by SimiusDei
reply to post by dawa



Same here. I call all of my black friends ni**er (and not with an "a") and they call me cracker and white trash.....but guess what? We don't give a damn. It's funny and it's just words.

However, I have been out with my friends before and had a group of black guys try to get my friends to turn on me for me saying "THE N WORD" (<--god I hate that). They almost caught a severe beat down for throwing their opinion in where it wasn't wanted. (from my friends)


It's all about perspective and learning to turn the other cheek and find humor when humor is there.


Jasn


reply posted on 9-11-2007 @ 04:50 PM by spencerjohnstone

Right. It's wasting our legislators time which should be used on things more important for the society.


No it is about protecting individuals against slander no matter weither they are straight, gay or what ever.


I'm not sure how it is in Scotland, but, here in the states, if someone calls you a faggot at work (or any other slur with the exception of "white" slurs) it's immediate grounds for termination.


They are disciplined, (not mutch help really), verbal warning, written warning and then sacked. Witht his new law will mean that they can be sacked on the spot.


I attended a funeral a couple of months ago for a coworker that killed himself. He had been the recipiant of slurs by a vocal few. Why? He was gay.


I am sorry to have heard that, what that guy must have went through, dreadfull, Im a gay guy, when fellow workers tell a joke weither targetting a woman one of his mates or a homosexuals as a joke, I just laugh it off, but when it comes to comming up to you in front of everyone and saying it outright, in your face, that is what I find offensive, and threatning, no one would dare even try and bring me down at my work anyways. I would have them sacked. Or take the employer to an employment tribunal if they did not do anything about it.


Whatever happened to people having a little backbone and just ignoring the idiots who feel the need to attempt to debase them?


You ignore it, it gets worse, you stand up to them an tell them where to go, it gets worse, you tell your supervisor, they deal with it, it gets worse (cause now his friends all know), make snidey remarks when passing you, you go higher to your line manager, then you are told you are the one causing the problems... See where I am going with this??? On top off that you are suppose to carry on working, while under the stress off being hassled at your work everyday, until either they give up or you hand in your notice..

Sometimes people are in a no win situation.


reply posted on 9-11-2007 @ 04:53 PM by SimiusDei
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Dammit intrepid, why you gotta go and pull GC out on me?



reply posted on 9-11-2007 @ 04:55 PM by SimiusDei
reply to post by spencerjohnstone



If a word (or words) can break someone's spirit, I pity them when they have to face the rest of life's challenges.


Jasn


reply posted on 9-11-2007 @ 05:05 PM by SimiusDei
reply to post by spencerjohnstone



You know, once upon a time kids were taught to ignore hurtful words and that it was nothing but a sign of someone being simple minded.

What does it say for ANY group when the government has to step in on their behalf because they don't have the "ability" to just let the words slide off of them?

If someone is being ignorant, let them be ignorant. Eventually, that ignorance will catch up to them in a VICIOUS way.



"stick and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me."



In all honesty, I have a VERY hard time feeling any kind of sympathy for the verbal attacks that some gay people take. As I have said before, when a group just HAS to make a big deal about themselves (gay pride parades and such) and goes above and beyond to draw attention to themselves, they MUST be prepared for the positive AND NEGATIVE that attention that comes.

Is it wrong to verbally assault a gay person because they are gay? Of course it is.

Does the government have a right to arrest someone for uttering a slanderous word? HELL NO!

Freedom of speech CAN NOT be limited to ONLY speech that we are comfortable with. If that is allowed to happen, you can rest assured that little loss of freedom will NOT be where the loss stops.


Jasn


reply posted on 9-11-2007 @ 05:08 PM by SimiusDei
reply to post by Solarskye



In regards to loss of morality and respect, you know I'm with you 120%.

Morality, in this country AND the world, seems to have all but disappeared.


Jasn


reply posted on 9-11-2007 @ 05:09 PM by spencerjohnstone
reply to post by Solarskye



It is not about making jokes, it is about going up to someone's face and saying it outloud for everyone at your work to hear or even if they dont hear many cases it happens, weither you gay, straight, have a different ethnic background, or if you support a different football team. It happens. The legislation proposed is to protectr gays as well if i may add, transsexuals as well as DISABLED people from being discriminated against. Is that not a good thing??????????



In regards to loss of morality and respect,


In todays society there is a lack off respect for anyone, respect is earned nowadays not given... Alot are more self centered think about oneself than everyone else. aIm no angel I give respect where it is given it is a two way thing ya know.

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reply posted on 9-11-2007 @ 05:11 PM by intrepid
reply to post by SimiusDei



But if you go into a bathroom and see your name there and it say, "May ____ burn in Hell" that's going to get to you after some time. My coworker was in his 40's, not a child. The results can be cumulative.

Next, let's test your freedom of speech SD. Call your local FBI detachment. Give them your REAL name and address. Then tell them you are going to assassinate the President. Would you be willing to try this experiment?
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