jpeg compression does not turn in the camera lens, as the Hale crater images do. If you go to the ESA site to download more than one photo, you will see the crater image taken at a different angle, and at different times. The "artifacts" have stayed motionless, following the contours of the crater floor, regardless of angle. Jpeg compression is random and would appear so on two different prints. I have worked 20 years in desktop pre-press and have not seen anything of that degree in my photos.

I'm sure this has been debated before and was put down to compression! Why are you going over old familiar ground?

Originally posted by mikesingh

Originally posted by Nookster
I don't know but I suspect it has something to do with your enhancement, because when I download the image from the esa website, I don't see anything like it.

Well, it wasn't my enhancement! It was Joseph Skipper's of Mars Anomaly Research. He's done a fairly good job of it by peeling off the layers to see what's under! I just complemented the effort!

You'd not find this stuff on any of the images from NASA or ESA who prefer the usual 'cover up' pics to be displayed publicly. This image could have been tampered by them before putting it into a public forum.

However, if you look carefully at this original ESA image, you'll notice strange squares/triangles/steps etc. All you've got to do is increase contrast and lower brightness in PS. Presto! You've got your 'city'!!

Cheers!



[edit on 21-8-2008 by mikesingh]

nookster is right. there is no city on the original fotos. its all artifacts, that has been discussed..
or just Disssssssinfofun ? ..

BELIEVE .
cheers

Originally posted by ArMaP
Considering that the whole are has that type of features, I think it is a terrain characteristic.

Yeah, I thought so too! But when one sees squares, triangles and other geometric shapes, imagination tends to run wild! I wonder if someone can provide pics of similar naturally formed geometric features on Earth?

Cheers!

........................ I wonder if someone can provide pics of similar naturally formed geometric features on Earth?

Cheers!

Mike, I think this might be what you're lookin for...


photo credit: Keith Laney/Hidden Mission

[edit on 23-9-2008 by spikedmilk]

To show better what I mean, here is that area, taken from the original IMG file and converted with ISIS (I finally have it working on my computer) to a PNG file. After this it was resized to 185% (to keep it under the 600 pixels limit ATS uses).



These are from other areas on the same photo, showing what I think is the same type of feature, only smaller.






PS: as my health doest not permit me to make physically demanding work I can only go on that digging expedition as an observer, but don't worry, I don't like beer.

..... as my health doest not permit me to make physically demanding work I can only go on that digging expedition as an observer, but don't worry, I don't like beer.

No worries Armap, it's all about hanging out. Like I always say, you dont have to drink to have a good time. If you can't dig, no biggie. We can all sit around and look into the sky and stare at earth for once

Originally posted by spikedmilk
As for Armap, I say we get a rocket and a shovel and take him on a digging party. I'll bring the beer!

Too late! He's already been booked on a flight on Zorgon's tin-can to the Moon's far side! By the time he comes back he'll probably resemble my avatar! But that's the idea, what?

Cheers!

Originally posted by mikesingh
By the time he comes back he'll probably resemble my avatar!

I will probably resemble your avatar before catching that flight...

PS: aren't we going too off-topic?

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
jpeg compression does not turn in the camera lens, as the Hale crater images do. If you go to the ESA site to download more than one photo, you will see the crater image taken at a different angle, and at different times. The "artifacts" have stayed motionless, following the contours of the crater floor, regardless of angle.

Haven't you read the thread?

The ESA images are not photos, but computer images formed by stretching a Jpeg image(texture) over a 3D terrain. The result is then positioned at different angles and the image is saved.

Jpeg compression is random and would appear so on two different prints. I have worked 20 years in desktop pre-press and have not seen anything of that degree in my photos.

If you had 2 different photos of the same area from different angles, the artifacts would not be similar. However these are not photos.

If you read the thread, you can see that the process of creation of the ESA data was described, from camera to transmission to post processing.