Ramblings of Finnish school shooter

-- partial quote from the murderer.

At least in the end he chose to eliminate the most unfit and disgraceful person at the scene. It's a shame he didn't stick around to face the families of those he took.

I wonder if viruses, assuming they collectively have some level of consciousness, ever see themselves as the cure? It's a shame that one of the most defining traits that distinguishes mankind from animals is the fact that we can act on rage and take pleasure in the pain of others. What a shame.

What a travesty.

reply to post by smart420

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To quote Chris Rock: "Whatever happened to crazy?"

[scapegoat]
The reptilians made him do it. Or, he himself is a reptilian.
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[Begin Seriousness]
Looking at those picurees of him remind me of the Virginia Tech guy. They both seem to enjoy taking pictures of themselves with weapons.

They still make those?

Also, I sort of agree with that shirt that he was wearing that said "Humanity is overrated", just not to his extent.

We humans think we're so wonderful, yet we kill each other in wars over stupid...achem.."oil" or "liberating" Iraq..

But, I do however believe humans can change. It might take a couple years before we get rid of pesty human emotions like jealousy and greed...we'll get there.
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Why is it mind control? Because it's ALWAYS mind control:



12-16-92
Wayne Lo, 18, Simon's Rock College, Great Barrington, Massachusetts, ; 2 dead, 4 wounded

-- "At the time I thought I did the right thing, but as I look back at it over time, more and more it doesn't make sense to me. And more and more I ask myself, Why? Why did I do it? I mean, Why?"

-- .... he said the command to kill was a feeling. "It's not visual. It's not auditory," he said. "It's just, you realize it."

--He remains convinced, he said, that it was something outside of himself that gave him a message to do what he did. Perhaps, he said in answer to a question, it was a supernatural or satanic force.

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10-1-97
Luke Woodham, 16, Pearl, MS, Pearl H.S., 2 dead, 7 wounded
--...(I) fought with myself because I didn't want to do any of it."


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12-1-97
Michael Carneal, Paducah, KY, Heath H.S., 3 dead, 5 wounded

--"Carneal told one psychiatrist that he felt like he was in a dream..." "It was like I was in a dream, and I woke up." Carneal's home room teacher reported that Carneal did not seem to recognize what he had done."


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3-24-98
Mitchel Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, Jonesboro, AS, Westside Middle School, , 5 dead
--"Since that day, when the boys have been asked the same question(why did they shoot), they appeared not to be able to give an answer." Johnson: "I really thought that no one would actually be hurt."

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4-24-98
Andrew Wurst 14, Edinborough, PA, Parker Middle School(at off-campus school dance); 1 dead, 3 wounded

.....As the police got to know more about Andrew's friends, they began to wonder if one of them was a 'puppet master' who may have manipulated Andrew into using the gun or at least encouraged him."

--Wurst informed a forensic psychiatrist that, the government has programmed everyone, except for himself, by means of "time tablets" that control people's thoughts.


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5-22-98
Kip Kinkel, Springfield, OR, Thurston High School, 1 dead, 7 seriously wounded

--When Bolsted asked Kip, "Where do you think the voices came from?" Kip replied, "Well, I had some theories. Maybe it was from the devil... the government might have put a chip in my head. Government satellites might have transmitted to the chip.... At first I thought the voices were outside of my head because they were so very loud, like surround sound." Kip also claimed he believed one satellite gave voices to the microchip and another followed his every movement.

--The voices than cut a deal with Kip's suicidal aspirations. He could be free of them at last if he committed certain homicidal acts. Kip reported that after hearing the voices say hundreds of times, "You have to go to school! Kill everybody!" he begged them to "Promise me you'll let me kill myself after..." The voices assured him that he could do so......


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4-20-99
Columbine massacre, 15 dead

A fellow student(Dustin Harrison) had Eric Harris in his psychology class: "He just basicially said that he was having trouble with this recurring dream--that he woke up one morning and came into the school, and he just started shooting students and teachers as they came by, and then he said it always ended up....ended with him just blowing the school up.


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5-3-99
Southcoast Early Childhood Learning Center, Costa Mesa, California, Steven Allen Abrams, 39 Killed two toddlers and seriously injured several more when he drove his car at high speed onto the school playground.

--Abrams began to believe that "somebody had brain wave technology that could control somebody's thoughts and behavior,"

--He believed government agencies had devised machines ..that "may even insert thoughts of killing"

--psychiatric records portray Abrams as a man haunted by delusions that the CIA or some other government agency("an unknown government agency") wanted him to become a killer.


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5-20-99
T.J. Solomon, 15, Conyers, GA, Heritage High, 6 wounded

--Witnesses described the shooter as initially "calm, sedate, vacant, and robotic."

--T.J. had suicidal thoughts and believed to hear voices giving him commands. “He heard voices telling him to do strange things, but they were robotic voices, not human voices”


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9-28-04
Rafael S., aka"Junior," 15, Islas Malvinas Middle School No. 2, Carmen de Patagones, Argentina, 3 dead, 5 wounded
--Police said they arrested Rafael without resistance soon afterwards in the schoolyard. He was in a state of shock, witnesses said, and could not speak a word.

--When a judge interviewed him afterwards he said only "I'm sorry, it happened very fast, and I did not decide anything."


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3-21-05
Jeff Weise, Red Lake HS, 10 dead
Web postings:
"Lately I've been having some really strange dreams, they seem very realistic and filled with colour and sounds, ....a few night's ago I had this dream where I saw this very evil, very creepy canine's face coming toward's me, and I heard someone say "shoot!," either way everything went black and I could feel my whole body jerking and shaking, and while this was happening I could hear very loud and very distinct gunshot's, mostly machine gun fire... I found it very weird and woke up immediately after feeling a little disoriented... ."


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3-25-06
Seattle rave slayer Kyle Huff, 28, 8 dead
--Roger Platt, who came to the party, said Huff didn't talk much but listened intently to others' conversations. One thing stood out to Platt as fairly odd.
"I'd walk by him and he'd say, 'What's going on here? What's really going on?' " Platt said. It happened three or four times, Platt recalled.


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9-13-06
Kimveer Gill, 25, Dawson Jr. College, Montreal College, 2 dead,
He complained a violent video game about a psychotic killer was not realistic enough. "I want them to make a game so realistic, that it looks and feels like it's actually happening," he wrote.


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10-9-06
Memorial Middle School, Joplin, MO
School officials say the student pointed the gun at the two men, asked them “not to make me do this” and then raised the gun and fired a shot into the ceiling of the school, breaking a water pipe. After firing the shot, he said again, “Please don’t make me do this.”


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2-12-07
Suleiman Talovic, 18, SLC Trolley Square massacre, Salt Lake City, UT 5 dead, 4 wounded
....she(Monika) believes the young man was deeply affected by the violence. "After a while he had to take some counseling and get stuff out of his head," she said.












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"Typically--a young adult leads the group. The followers are mostly 14 to 18. We have to question the motivation of the adults. Is it just a game or something more serious.....is it mind-control?"
-Det. Donald White, Phoenix PD

This is what the atheistic, materialistic, egotisitical modern day philosopheies have brought to us.

People like this should cram all of their idealogy, "facts," theories, and Social Darwinistic attitudes directly, as far as they get can get them, up their asses!! Really, this guy was beyond sick...

[edit on 7-11-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

[edit on 7-11-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

reply to post by starviego

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Thats an interesting research summary there. Starred.

True... It boils down to the lack of personal responsibility..


"Oh, the Devil made me do it. The little alien in the time machine told me to do. Jane Fonda asked me to do it... God told me I had to do it, or I'd die."

None of those things or entities MADE you do anything. You done it because you're sick..



[edit on 7-11-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

excellent post. did you source that yourself or is the list from a webpage?

Sri Oracle

I've been studying the juvenile random-rage(non-specific victim) shooter ever since Columbine. After a while, you start to notice patterns. I compiled that list from available sources online.

Also, the perp almost always has confederates. There are already discrepancies emerging as to how this 'lone' attacker died.

My guess, and purely opinion: This guy was another mind-controlled school shooter. He posted a video on youtube the day before. Now the government can say that they need to monitor Youtube to prevent crimes. People who post anything mildly threatening will be arrested.

are you suggesting P2P control or MKULTRA / MONARCH control?

How does this fit into "mind control"?



Thats a collection of bits from his manifesto.

Sri Oracle



[edit on 7-11-2007 by Sri Oracle]

reply to post by starviego

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If those are indeed the collected statements of the school-shooters, then there really is a pattern there. And this pattern looks like it can only be one of two things: Total Irresponsibility or Mind-Control (or irresponsibility leading to self-neglect and self-neglect leading to outside forces being able to apply mind-control - a mixture of both).

Interesting. Continue your research and publish it.

Beats me. All I know is that these kids are being manipulated. It's possible the perp may have thought he was acting out a game scenario, like at Columbine:


Stephanie Salmon(548 )
"Stephanie Salmon specifically told IO it did not appear as though the (library)suspects were 'mad', but were just 'having fun.'

Crystal Woodham(630)
"She said that they(the library shooters) sounded happy, not evil or mean."
"The gunman's voices seemed so happy."(634)

Aaron Cohen(AP 4/21/99)
"They were laughing after they shot. ... It was like they were having the time of their life."

Joey Marcotte(9029)
"They were laughing as they threw the bombs and shot people."

Patti Nielson, DP 6-12-99
"...the killers were just gross, there were theatrics involved and they seemed to be acting out some war game. One second they were mean, the next second they were laughing."

Austin Eubanks, DP 6-13-99
"...they were playing a game."

Josh Neilson(AP 4/21/99)
"They liked playing war games. That's all they could talk about."

Kristen Long(5027)
Said Harris and Klebold... talked a lot about bombs, guns, and killing people. She stated they weren't specific about what their target would be, but that they wee "obsessd" with it. They would talk about "hurting each other" and about "playing the game."

Brooks Brown(Time, 5-10-99)
"What they did wasn't about anger or hate, ...It was about them living in the moment, like they were inside a video game."

Time (5-3-99)
"Survivors said they treated it like a video game."





[edit on 7-11-2007 by starviego]

I agree with his views, not his actions, there is a big
difference. But of course, I expected nothing more
from humanity but to attempt at turning this around
against me. You will never understand why he writes what he write,
heck, did you even read his manifesto?

Contradictions? If you use such a word, then please, by all means,
back it up with proof. I hope you do, it would make for an interesting debate.

www.bloomberg.com...
The police were called to the school at 11:43 a.m. local time. Officers were on the scene 11 minutes later and tried to talk to the gunman, who fired one shot at them without hitting anyone. .... Searchers found the attacker injured just after 3 p.m., according to the Tuusula municipality Web site. The gunman and most of his victims were found in the lower lobby of the building, police said.

[Comment: The gunman was found in the lobby, but it took them three hours to reach him, after they had already had contact with him? What the....?]

[edit on 7-11-2007 by starviego]

I thank you for your research. It is excellent, particularly if you compiled it yourself, and extremely interesting.

However, your data suggest to me that mind control is a less probable explanation in this particular case.

Assume that mind control exists and is being perpetrated against high school aged males (didn't see a female on that list, but I only read it once).

Further assume, for the sake of argument, that most or all of the examples you listed were indeed the result of mind control. In other words, mind control caused murder sprees can be generally characterized by many of the striking trends your data present.

Against that backdrop, the Finnish massacre has at least one important difference.

First, the "motivational blurriness" that many of the perpetrators on your list seem to exhibit--a lack of understanding as to why they did what they did--is not present in this case. Mr. Auvisen exhibited an deranged but relatively lucid and articulated motivation for his actions.

Additionally, as evidenced by the highly public "advertisements" preceding the crime, as well as the precision of their timing, it is nearly certain that this motivation was clearly held and carried by Auvisen right up to the act itself.

The ability to observe Auvisen's post-murder demeanor would go a long way to help confirm or reject this distinction, but obviously that is impossible.

Second, and this becomes more speculation than anything else, it isn't clear to me at all who stands to gain from this event. Maintaining the first assumption above, it is reasonable to assume that the mind controllers exert their power with purpose, or motivation, and that this purpose is almost surely self-interested.

With that in mind, what would individuals with such technological clout--the controllers--really stand to gain from a vicious and stupid murder in a Finnish high school?

The evidence so far seems to point to a weak, immature narcissist whose bitter disillusionment at his own inadequacies and alienation caused him to exploit the most vulnerable target available.

I am not saying that MC isn't real (nor that it is real, for that matter), but I am saying that there are some significant differences between this case and your mind control motivated killings data.

Of course, I could be mistaken. I need to go over both sources again. This is what jumped out at me at first glance.

My deepest condolences to the families.

It's important to note that we had people with voices telling them to do evil acts, long before the CIA and microchips existed. Back then the voices would be attributed to demons etc. It still goes on now and is generally known as acute schizophrenia. i'm sure that because of the similarities, that lends even more credence to the idea that it's mind control "oh they designed it like that on purpose"

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck..

[edit on 7-11-2007 by unnamedninja]

You are assuming that Auvisen actually posted all that stuff himself. Leaving a false trail electronically would probably be no big deal for the covert operators. Or maybe someone had asked him to pretend he was planning a school shooting. ALL of Harris and Klebold's violent videos were made as part of school assignments, for example.

Let's see what happened after Antwerp(Belgium) street rampager Hans Van Themsche, 18, shot three people back on 5-11-06:

"(The Prime Minister's spokesman) Didier Seeuws, said that gun control legislation introduced in February had been expedited and, if approved as expected, would require new background checks, a mandatory "cooling off period" and other safeguards."



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Gun control laws must be streamlined worldwide before the NWO achieves their plans--and that means tough new restrictions. Hang on to your rights, Finn peoples!!

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Ooo, that was like a mini-episode of law and order (Which, strangely enough, I've never watched.), Well done!, you bring an articulate and courteous manner to the discussion, ATS needs more posters like you!

Kudos to starviego as well, some interesting research you've done there. I remember doing some reading a while back about the Columbine shootings and it certainly seems something was not right there; Multiple reports of some type of paramilitary presence, Witnesses threatened etc...

Heres a question you can perhaps answer- what is the first commonly accepted school shooting? The Texas bell tower sniper? Have you looked into him at all?