Posse Comitatus was essentially done away with, unfortunately, with the siege on the Branch Davidians at Waco. This is not anything that just recently happened.

[edit on 18-11-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Posse Comitatus was essentially done away with, unfortunately, with the siege on the Branch Davidians at Waco. This is not anything that just recently happened.

[edit on 18-11-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

I see you point here. Now answer this, is this ok with you?

Before 9/11 the FBI could not send undercover agents into religious organizations to spy, Now after 9/11 if you attend a church or really any kind of club or organization, you can bet there are members of the federal police in your group, all in the name of fighting terrorists.

Dragon, typically that is what happens. Oh, they all talk like they are going to bring big changes to Washington... Bush did. Yeah, he brought changes. He made it even more derisive than it was before he took office!!!

What I have found to be true about the two major political parties in this country is that their members will say whatever they deem necessary to say in order to get elected. Once they get in there, it's a whole other ball game.They quickly lose any allegiance they claim to have had to their constituients.

Dragon, what is going to wind up happening, maybe not in our lifetime, is a complete upheaval. I think eventually, things will get to such a point to where people will actively work towards the overthrow of their government.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Dragon, what is going to wind up happening, maybe not in our lifetime, is a complete upheaval. I think eventually, things will get to such a point to where people will actively work towards the overthrow of their government.

This is why I said we will really start hearing about homegrown terrorists. Thought crimes are here, and the government will move against those that oppose it's will.

I think there are already groups of people moving in this direction, It really only takes a small group of people to make enormous change. I'm just waiting for the spark.

Watching and waiting.

The PLAN is to bring America down and the rest of the hemisphere up..thats simple. The people that run things, the real monsy bags, the great industrialists and bankers..oh the bankers...and the rest of the people that really count..these people are NOT like you and I..not at all.

They see grand plans for the future that includes us OUT and includes them IN !! We need to be thinned out and managed, just like in any efficient buisness..running with as few people working as hard as possible to make the most profits for the fewest people..THAT is the new way.

Remember when the politicians were arguing about NAFTA and how it would make such great things happen? Well, it did!! It made Mexicans get our manufacturing and textile businesses moved there...it meant that Americans could buy some things cheaper , but at a cost of quality..and the loss of jobs. Almost all of the great Southern paper mills and such are GONE, closed, and the people who worked there found that the only jobs were at McD's!! In my area, western North Carolina, there are Mexicans flooding in everywhere to take the jobs from locals. They will work for a few bucks an hour less, and they don't take off during hunting season..see? So local people hire them.

They are using the social services that used to prop up the very lowest end natives, and competing for these services makes many very angry with the illegals. When the cops catch them driving here, they get a 160 dollar ticket and go right back on their way..no detention, no deportation, just a money making racket for the county. There could very well be a backlash against these people some day when things get really bad, and I dread the fact that many may get hurt. But when it comes down to us versus them, I know that the local boys here are just about fed up now..in really bad times, it would not take much to see scenes of people being driven from town or worse.

I think it will become a matter of local areas adopting local standards to deal with things..and that is good. We need to keep the crooks in Washington away from it as much as possible..after all, it is them who are the cause of all of our troubles.

Originally posted by LDragonFire

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Dragon, what is going to wind up happening, maybe not in our lifetime, is a complete upheaval. I think eventually, things will get to such a point to where people will actively work towards the overthrow of their government.

This is why I said we will really start hearing about homegrown terrorists. Thought crimes are here, and the government will move against those that oppose it's will.

I think there are already groups of people moving in this direction, It really only takes a small group of people to make enormous change. I'm just waiting for the spark.

Watching and waiting.

Well you'll get your wish very soon i think.

There are rumors already that bush is trying to rig the 2008 election, just like the last one. There have been reports that if it looks like he's going to lose the election "no ammount of tampering will save him this time..lol", he will cancel the elections & declair martial Law.

This leaves one very important question though.

If it dose happen. What will become of US Allies like Canada, Australia & England (all of which have a large number of US bases & troops stationed within their borders)...?

If Bush goes all megalomaniac on us, what would he do If our governments decided to cancel any alliance (I can't see our PM condoning & supporting a dictatior).

There are over 50,000 US personel stationed in various parts of Australia "thats double the number of Regular Australian troops we have on active duty". We don't have enough Tanks, Fighters/Bombers or guns to stop them either..lol".

One has to ask, if Civil war starts in the US, will it be confined to the US or will it spread to the Allied countries as well, as Bush tries to expand his Empire.



[edit on 12/9/2007 by Ironclad]

Originally posted by Ironclad

Originally posted by LDragonFire

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

Well you'll get your wish very soon i think.

There are rumors already that bush is trying to rig the 2008 election, just like the last one. There have been reports that if it looks like he's going to lose the election "no ammount of tampering will save him this time..lol", he will cancel the elections & declair martial Law.


[edit on 12/9/2007 by Ironclad]

What in the world are you talking about? Bush is not running for office! Theses reports you refer to are just loony-toon. How can anyone believe this? I know in the age of the "net" that anyone can say anything but you don't need to believe it!

I can understand why you want to believe this but get a grip. This time next year there will be a different person elected by the people to take office in the White House.

Roper

the USB swiss bank said it is claiming a $10 Billion dollar loss for a write off..HHMM thinking, the US Dollar is now valued at 68cents and dropping every day or two in value . I know as I check every 2 days at an currency exchange bank online..

When the US dollar / economy collapses prez Bush said he would declare Martial law in the USA..

Talk about all hell breaking loose.. the Civil war II will begin.
just keep tabs on the economy and watch the tyrant Government as it will shoot you in the back and think nothing of it.

I certainly agree with Dragon about our government listening to corp-
orations, and NOT the people. This in itself diminishes some of our rights.

I only wish to provide an example, SpeakerofTruth, of one...
PHARMACY ! I believe that the huge drug makers are benefitting from
thier being in bed with congress, in that when the cops show up at a
"scene", where someone is having some emotional instability, they have
the authority to remove the person by force, to a psych ward. Even when
there has been no crime committed.

THEN, confined against thier will, the doctors diagnose them with all kinds
of 'mental disorders', requiring medication. Anyone who disagrees
with the norm is labeled bipolar, or manic, or depressed, and sets in place
a 'history' of mental illness... so that in the future, this person is automat-
ically confined again, for so much as speaking against the gov.

When enough good people have suffered this indignity, I think it could be
one of the sparks to ignite an uprising! maybe.

In the 70's, our teachers said that "emotions are normal". But these days,
it seems that emotions are being outlawed. Or re-labeled as "disorders",
and subject to meds.

So, watch your emotional outbursts, they will get you locked-up!

That's my take, hope I get some support on this matter... thanks.

Thanks to the OP for bringing this book to my attention. I have to admit, the book kind of puts a new perspective on Obama's campaign for the presidency.

Exactly, look at how many of the powerful/well known Blacks (Oprah, Newark Mayor Cory Booker, Jesse Jackson, Will Smith and Chris Rock are some examples) are playing race politics in their support for Obama. It is a very very bad thing when people begin to support politicians just because of their skin color and not their beliefs.