We do have free will, but limited. we all have a destiny and a plan that has been already mapped. for example, I was told of things that were going to happen in the future and I changed a few things, but I can't cheat death and that's my destiny.

even if destiny exists , you have free will , because you dont know what will happen to yuo tomorrow , but then again if destiny exists then we live in a time line , and living on a time line it would be possible to travel to the future and past , since all is predifine , but the again if hipotaticly , if a person would fly to he future maybe that person would create a new timeline( alternative universe) sinvce i doubt its possible that two persons from diifferent universes could enter each others universes , lol im just talking nonsense

I've always believed through logic that no we have no free will.

Since I believe we were "created", not by god, not by any being per se', but the bottom line is we were all created by something "the force?". Whatever you wish to call it.

It is therefore easy for me to deduce, you Cannot create something and give it free-will.

Just like we cannot do it with computers, and I don't believe we ever will.

I believe in Fate, and pre-destination over Free-will.

Originally posted by andre18


And I guess that man was Jesus, hmm how quaint, the bible says believe in Jesus or you will go to hell, accept Jesus’s teachings etc, etc......

How is that not taking away our free will? Telling us how we must live our lives, one way or we will certainly go to hell. The very existence of the bible's meaning contradicts free will.

Well... you can still choose what you want to do. That is the will of an un-yoked man. Do what you will with what you know.

sorry , but believing in a made god used to control the masses , is something a litlle ignorant

Who controls me... who benefits from my faith. I have no money to give to these "big-bad" churches. Religion is nothing. Christ is truth. I follow what Christ said.. not religion. Of course people will take advantage of these things, just like man takes advantage of everything else. Too bad history and the current timeline is playing out just as the scriptures have detailed, more proof, more evidence that Jesus was right. You either doubt or believe. One man... one man has changed this world more than any King, philosopher, businessman, artist, writer, etc. has. Accept or deny.

Jesus is King. I bow to no other man.

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well , i do not bow to jesus or god and devil , i am the only ruler of myself

Does free will exist? Oh the great philosophical debates that has plagued the human mind, its a damn gift and a curse to be human. The question of free will has been a central issue since the beginning of philosophical thought. Do I have the free-will to post this reply, Or did the events of this thread determine my reply?

No we do not have free will. The only thing we are 'free' to do is to be human beings.

Sure we are free to be happy, sad, angry or complacent about the same things as those who came before us 10000 years ago.

I'm sorry, that is not good enough for me. It is my will to exist beyond the physical plane, to see through the eyes of 'God', think with the mind of 'God', to know and be everything at once.

Maybe I was not present when true 'free will' was given out on silver platters.

when we do something without thinking or by reflex , is that conditioned by free will?

Reality is created by our perception. Perception can be controlled by your intent. You have the choice to accept the responsibility of controlling your perception by your own intent or not.

Your willful intent is not free, it requires energy to empower it. If you do not have sufficient energy to control your perception through your own intent then a more powerful entity will control it for you.

Ultimately all fragmentation and separation are illusions. The separation illusion creates its own world from fear of the unknown. The entire external world is a fear based illusion which manifests through our fragmented perception of separation.

The reality is we are all one and the same.

"We are the imaginations of ourselves" Bill Hicks

Can anyone control or predict what their next thought is going to be, or is it merely witnessed?

Originally posted by dracodie
sorry , but believing in a made god used to control the masses , is something a litlle ignorant

God does not want to limit us. It is man who limits God. That's why it seems ignorant to you, because there are so many false beliefs about God that many are turned away.