The pyramid pump.

Scott, I was wondering if you have read anything by Richard Noone? Spesificly "5/5/2000 ICE: the ultimate disaster". Personaly I think the book is grossly misnamed. At first I read it for a laugh. After the first 20 pages I was enthraled. Noone highlights much of the masonic world in relation to acient civilizations and in particular the great pyramid.

Just like the who geologists noticed the long term water erosion on the Sphinx and forced egyptolgists to admit that the Sphinx is older then originaly postulated, a man named Edward Kunkle, a hydraulic enginer by trade, noticed the inside structure of the great pyramid and saw a hydrualic ram pump of a superior design. Of course he could not get anyone to listin to him but he did build a few pumps based on the design of the inner structure of the great pyramid.

Perhaps you know a hydraulic engineer yourself that you could show the inner workings of the great pyramid to (With out the out line of the pyramid of course, lest you color his opinon).

It is an aspect of the pyramid mystery that I do not think should ignored. I mean what is more logical, 10 slaves building canals to float massive granite rocks into percision placment or 10,000 slaves useing ramps and logs to drag massive granite blocks? Archimedias was smart enough to figure out water displacement and rome was a very water based civilization. Ancient egypt may of had an even better understanding of the mechanics of water, air pressure, and gravity. The great pyramid certainly suggests as much.

That boat they found at the base wasn't there to ferry anyone. It is placed there as a mason might place a square and compase in a corner stone.

What are your thoughts?

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Hello Titorite,

Interesting new thread – thanks.



SC: I have not read Noone’s work but I certainly agree that the book you mention is unfortunately titled. Here we are – almost 2008 – no ultimate disaster. As for masonic symbolism – I am not surprised. I have myself discovered much masonic symbolism related to the pyramids but also to geodesy.



SC: I think you are referring to the Dr Robert M. Schoch and John Anthony West. Certainly they have made a claim that the Sphinx is much older than Egyptologists presently accept but they are having a difficult time proving their case as this small extract from John Anthony West’s site will testify:



SC: This is not say that Schoch and West are wrong. It is one thing ‘believing’ something to be correct – it’s a whole different ballgame proving it. There are possibilities certainly – but conclusive proof has not yet been achieved.



SC: I haven’t read the book so it is difficult really for me to comment but it seems to me that building a canal to float the blocks into place would be every bit as big an undertaking as constructing the pyramid itself! And they did this for EVERY pyramid? The latest theory of pyramid construction presents evidence that the lower courses (at Giza) were quarried but that the upper courses were cast.

www.youtube.com...



SC: I have my own ideas for the Khufu boats which I will be discussing in a later thread.

Very best wishes,

Scott Cregihton

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Hello Titorite,

Interesting new thread – thanks.



SC: I have not read Noone’s work but I certainly agree that the book you mention is unfortunately titled. Here we are – almost 2008 – no ultimate disaster. As for masonic symbolism – I am not surprised. I have myself discovered much masonic symbolism related to the pyramids but also to geodesy.



SC: I think you are referring to the Dr Robert M. Schoch and John Anthony West. Certainly they have made a claim that the Sphinx is much older than Egyptologists presently accept but they are having a difficult time proving their case as this small extract from John Anthony West’s site will testify:



SC: This is not say that Schoch and West are wrong. It is one thing ‘believing’ something to be correct – it’s a whole different ballgame proving it. There are possibilities certainly – but conclusive proof has not yet been achieved.



SC: I haven’t read the book so it is difficult really for me to comment but it seems to me that building a canal to float the blocks into place would be every bit as big an undertaking as constructing the pyramid itself! And they did this for EVERY pyramid? The latest theory of pyramid construction presents evidence that the lower courses (at Giza) were quarried but that the upper courses were cast.

www.youtube.com...



SC: I have my own ideas for the Khufu boats which I will be discussing in a later thread.

Very best wishes,

Scott Cregihton

Thanks for the swift reply Scott. The canal theory is actualy broken down something like this. A water resivor is created under the location of the Sphinx. This resivor is tapped to level the foundation of the plain upon which the Great pyramid was built upon. After the plain was leveled the first outer ring was built to hold the water. From there blocks could of been floated in by boat Via wooden canals. Blocks could then be floated into postion by barage and then set into place by lowering the water level.

The grand galley is a vacum bottle. The air shafts are discharge tubes. The King and Queens chambers air pressure chambers. Left operational and unchecked the Pyramid could pump enough water to make an ocean out of the Sahara desert. Theroticly the whole region was flooded, hence the long term water erosion of the Sphinxs' body. Most likely this was why the Nilometer at Elephantine was needed.

Who ever built the great pyramid were masters of utilizing water. Most likely this same civilization was responsible for such anomialies such as the "Bagdad battery" ,"The pharos lightbulb "and "the glider" amongest many more chronological out of place ancient artifacts. A civilization capable of this should have no trouble aligning the Great pyramid with the stars. As for the Rhyme of the reason? Well, I think the question can only be answered when the historians and master masons stop blocking scientific appraochs to understand the matter.

I think it is interesting to note the civilization of the mayan pyramid builders was water based and that masonic symbols can be found through out the entire Chichen-Itza complex. It suggests to me that at one point in humanities history (eons pre-summerian) mankind was of one civilization that was technologicaly advanced spanning the entire world. This civilization not only liked to build grand stone monuments and pyramids but it also liked to carve masonic symbolism all over its empire.

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Hello titorite,



SC: The logic of this would require a circular wall (dam?) around the pyramid and eventually built up to at least the height of the pyramid. This would then require a construction project infinitely larger than the construction of the pyarmid itself.

I find the logic of this theory somewhat difficult to grasp.

A simpler 'aternative' method would have been this 'anti-gravity' device:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHkAL1jTojY[/url

Best,

SC

Hi, Titorite and Scott. I'm new a this and practically computer illiterate, but this topic caught my eye. I have read EVERYTHING I can on the Great Pyramid and am the daughter of an MIT//CalTech grad who was an engineer. I am a Registered and artist, so have NO skills in math and cannot PROVE anything. But I do SEE things. The overview I have derived from my readings about the Pyramid in one book it states that it is a huge battery, that shone in the landscape with a great inner light. The "Arc of the Covenant" in the Old Testament seems to have dimensions that would "fit" into the interior of the Pyramid. Could the two be connected AND now with the theory you describe of a great Hydraulic pump at its center, you would have a source of water to connect all the linens that form the walls of the workings of the Arc of the Covenant. They don't know what the holes at the base of the walls of the Grand Gallery are for, I offer that they were used to hold carved logs which held up great panels of linens. They found natron in the underground passage of the Great Pyramid. That could have been dissolved in the water that was pumped in and used to close the circuit. I don't think the idea that it was a real tomb and ONLY a tomb is the explanation for its purpose. Several books describe the mystery of the erosion being water erosion, not wind, at the interior of the pyramid.

Anyway. I am just beginning to connect the dots. i hope my ideas stimulate someone else to do further research.
Hope someone will connect with me on this. I am enjoying my own ideas, but would enjoy getting some feedback. My husband just says "HUH?" and doesn't "get" my interest. I found this website by "googling" egypt hydraulic pyramid.
Thanks!
Linden 53

Hi Titorite and Scott!
I already introduced myself on this topic. But I just want to add that what Titorite is saying about the construction around the pyramid and how it could fit with my vision of the interior of the pyramid. You would need a source of power to work the pump, and the pyramid, with the interior workings like that of the Arc of the Covenant which I have heard described as a huge battery, would have plenty of power. I think Titorite has described a machine of enormous power, and it fits the world view at that time. All the findings fit the view that the pyramid is water proof, so to speak - I got the National Geographic latest DVD for Christmas which covered the search in the shafts leading from the King's Chamber or Queens' chamber and they are closed off with slabs carefully constructed to be air and water tight.
Even the boats to which you have referred were found in hermetically sealed vaults - air and water tight.
Why bother with all that water tight construction if water weren't present at enormous pressures and volume? And why are the pyramids shown to be water eroded - not wind eroded - on their exterior? There is one scientist who says the larger blocks are poured concrete and he gives valid reasons for his theory, including hieroglyphs that show workers pouring liquid into large boulder shaped moulds.

I think it is high time the pyramid theorists look at this evidence with fresh perspective. The stories people throw out based on unsubstantiated theories are tiresome and boring and without validity. They do not encompass the full breadth of knowledge that has been bubbling through the minds of people like Jacob Davidovits and others. I am tired of the so called "egyptologists" and "experts" like the Head of antiquities in Egypt who are ignoring all the fun and intriguing observations to be had.
Well, that is my frustration being expressed.

Go for the gold, literally. I am sure there is a wonderful story to tell for all time of the building and purpose of the pyramids - and how their presence still impacts our environment to this day in northern Africa and beyond.
Thanks for being out there. I feel less alone in my wonderful thoughts about the possibilities of explanations for the presence of such incredible monuments to human achievement.
Linden53

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Hello Linden,

Many thanks for your post. First of all I hope you have a happy, healthy and peaceful 2008.

There are many many theories concerning the pyramids, especially the Great Pyramids at Giza. And this, I think, is actually quite an important point. Many theorists tend to forget that there are around 100 pyramids in Egypt (most no more than rubble piles) and focus their ideas entirely on the Giza Pyramids, particularly the Great Pyramid of Khufu. Are ALL these pyramids in Egypt water pumps? If not, why not - what is THEIR purpose? I do not think Giza can be considered in isolation from the rest of Egypt or indeed the Great Pyramid at Giza can be considered in isolation from the other Giza structures. As far as I am concerned for any alternative theory concerning the pyramids of Egypt, it must be able explain the purpose of ALL the structures. Failing to do that can be considered 'cherry-picking'.



It's really good to know that there are so many people out there with such great, enquiring minds - this is the most important thing of all. Keep it up.

Very best wishes,

Scott Creighton

Hi Scott and Titorite.
I "googled' "hyraulic pump pyramid" and have found other message boards with a few people like Stephen Mehler, John Cadman, Christopher Dunn and others who are enjoying their forays into the workings of hydraulic pumps in relation to the Pyramids.
I am an artist, with an art degree and I was force fed the so called " FACT that the Great Pyramid is a "tomb". But I am also the daughter of an engineer from MIT and Caltech and I balk at that explanation. Where are the wonderful frescoes and hieroglyphs depicting the afterlife in the corridors of the passages of the Great Pyramid? Everything is water eroded inside the Great Pyramid. The walls of the passages are polished granite or concrete mixtures. I believe from what I have read that there is a progression of knowledge from the smaller pyramids to the Great Pyramid. I don't have a clue WHO built them really. The Egyptians are proud of them, but did they really build them? I like the idea that in Biblical terms, Joseph managed the Pharoahs' abundance and Moses was brought up in Pharoahs' household. I wonder what else really happened with the intelligance of the Hebrews in Egypt? Just a question. There has always been a question as to who Imhotep really was. And there has always been a real connection between Jews and Egypt. (Even Jesus was taken there for safe keeping when Herod went looking for him!) Alexandria was a thriving Jewish settlement and the land to the east of the Giza plateau in the reign of Ramses was cultivated by the Hebrews. WHY did Moses want to leave Egypt SO badly when he did? And how on EARTH did he accumulate such wealth that he could build the Tabernacle out of nothing in the desert on the way to Canaan land? I surmise he stole all the materials as part of a plan to sabotage Egypt's water power plant! But what do I know? It's just FUN to have these thoughts after being stifled by so called "egyptologists" and "experts' and scholarly learning. I cannot identify with the process of learning by which you are totally stuck to one way of looking at history and the history of human endeavor on this wonderful Earth. I just cannot stop the flow of ideas I have. The more I learn, the more ideas just come to me.

Anyway. I don't know about the progression of building of the other smaller pyramids, but knowledge as to how to build them seems to have culminated with the building of the GREAT Pyramid! Maybe they learned from each effort. At what cost, I couldn't guess, really.
Just some thoughts.

Have FUN reading my stuff! If it doesn't matter to you, chuck it all. But I am enjoying sharing it on these new found websites. ALL of them.
Mrs. Leslie Van de Ven, RN ,BA (Linden53)