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Europe child porn probe nets 92 -- Now Why Can't the U.S. Do the Same?

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posted on Nov, 6 2007 @ 12:57 AM
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Europe child porn probe nets 92 -- Now Why Can't the U.S. Do the Same?


news.bbc.co.uk

The network made videos of children being abused and sold them to 2,500 customers in 19 countries, says the European police force, Europol.

The films were mainly produced in Ukraine, Belgium and the Netherlands, and most of the victims were Ukrainian.
(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Nov, 6 2007 @ 12:57 AM
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They need crackdowns like this DAILY.

Child porn and molestation is a problem that needs to be dealt with swiftly and VERY severely.

I have a feeling (and the thought sickens me) that the reason it's not targeted as much as it should be is because a great deal of the people making these laws are doing a bit of breaking them themselves.

Either way, good job Europol.


Jasn

news.bbc.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Nov, 6 2007 @ 01:00 AM
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WHAT???
the U.S. captures child molesters daily. open your eyes and stop being an American basher.



posted on Nov, 6 2007 @ 01:03 AM
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Human trafficking is not new; it is becoming a greater problem everyday.

But I definitely think Europe is not doing enough job to stop this issue, though.



posted on Nov, 6 2007 @ 01:10 AM
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American basher? Please, find me one post where I bash America or it's citizens.

The American government, on the other hand, guilty as charged.

Sure, they might arrest a kid rapist or two daily, but there have got to be hundreds of thousands (if not millions) doing this crap daily.

The Franklin scandal and the strange amount of government officials that DO get caught trying to sex up some child lend credence to my theory.

I could also throw in a reference to the Catholic church if that would make you happy.

Jasn



posted on Nov, 6 2007 @ 03:38 AM
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There is a film you need to see called `Conspiracy of Silence` ; it is banned in the USA as it is about US senators and congressmen abusing children.

it was listen to be shown Tuesday May 3rd 1994 on Discovery channel but got pulled and `all copies` destroyed (although 1 copy did survive outside the usa)

www.youtube.com...

watch it if you have an hour spare.



posted on Nov, 6 2007 @ 03:48 AM
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Originally posted by icybreeze
WHAT???
the U.S. captures child molesters daily. open your eyes and stop being an American basher.

You know being from Ukraine, I see a lot of Americans on the beach come to Ukraine just for that. I've been laying at the beach and heard several americans speack between themselves "You wow I love those hot 13 year old ukrainian girls" and it is not just Americans, other western europeans come there for that also. The problem is, if they caught in Ukraine, doing that, SBU( fsb) of ukraine)), would traumatize those pedofils forever. I would do the same thing.



posted on Nov, 6 2007 @ 03:59 AM
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This video is banned in US? I'm surprised it hasn't been taken down on youtube as Youtube was established in US?


[edit on 6-11-2007 by TheoOne]



posted on Nov, 6 2007 @ 04:22 AM
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Actually, as hard as it might be to believe, he/she is correct. Discovery channel put together that piece and the US government shut it down quick. It was never shown in the US and all copies were supposed to be destroyed. I am really shocked that one copy survived and I look forward to watching it. Thanks for posting it!



posted on Nov, 6 2007 @ 05:10 AM
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Originally posted by SimiusDei


I could also throw in a reference to the Catholic church if that would make you happy.

Jasn

You could, if you wanted to make the incorrect implication that the Catholic Church is American.



posted on Nov, 6 2007 @ 10:35 AM
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Odessit, that is crazy !!! have you thought about reporting these people ??
also ....i wasnt aware you had any beaches in ukraine ?

thanks

snoopyuk



posted on Nov, 6 2007 @ 10:52 AM
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If the U.S. did the exact same thing then The Senate and Congress would be empty from all the Senators and Congressmen getting busted.




posted on Nov, 6 2007 @ 10:55 AM
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Oh my Alpha. That's hilarious. You are probably not far from the truth on that one. In fact I think you may be right on target given the fact the usually doesn't dragnet anymore. The law here seems to prefer taking things on a case by case basis. But I think dragnets work. Good post!



posted on Nov, 6 2007 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by snoopyuk
reply to post by Odessit
 


Odessit, that is crazy !!! have you thought about reporting these people ??
also ....i wasnt aware you had any beaches in ukraine ?

thanks

snoopyuk


haha, well Ukraine is located on a Black Sea, and Odessa is one of the Major Sea Ports on it. It is actually a resort.
well , I didn't report but me and me and my friends did injure them for that. Ukrainian people will take it very offensively if they hear about such thing.



posted on Nov, 6 2007 @ 02:48 PM
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I think the U.S is trying with internet stings and all, but they need to go all out and net bigger fish. The porn industry people are not on the net talking to young girls or boys, or at least not the main people making all the money. And yes I bet half the senators are guilty of this and I'm definitly watching that video when I get home.

I'm tired of hearing about all these child molestors getting put in a country club because the guys in the prison will kill them. Let them fend for themselves, the child didn't have a choice. And now all I hear is teachers having sex with kids now. And yes I know it was a childhood fantasy for me too, but the adult knows it's against the law. Good job Europe, keep it up.


[edit on 11/6/2007 by Solarskye]



posted on Nov, 6 2007 @ 02:54 PM
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As should anyone overhearing a couple of jackasses talking about the wonders of child molestation. Its sad to hear that the problem is so wide spread in your country as to be able to hear it in a public place.

Here in the west, you talk like that in the open, you better know who is listening.



posted on Nov, 6 2007 @ 03:06 PM
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"Operation Koala" (so named because the investigation was sparked in Australia), has rounded up some despicable characters.


Involving 18 European police forces and the Australian authorities, Operation Koala led to 40 arrests in Britain, 21 in France, 11 in Spain, eight in Sweden, five in Belgium, four in Italy, two in Iceland and one in Denmark.
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One Australian (a grandfather!) has also been nabbed and four more are being investigated.

The shame of it all is that these predatory monsters will probably only get a slap on the wrist for their offences.

We need only look at past paedophile rings that have been busted to see the disturbing precedent set by the courts.

Just look at the "Wonderland" (named after the patron saint of paedophiles, Lewis Carroll) case some years ago.


On September 2, 1998, over a thousand police and child-protection officers in thirteen countries raided over 200 men in connection with one of the biggest pedophile rings ever discovered. Police seized a total of 750,000 pictures along with a library of 1,800 computerized videos depicting children suffering sexual abuse. Of all these children, only 17 have been identified. This pedophile ring was an exclusive international Internet club. The sordid entrance fee? 10,000 indecent pictures of children.

The international operation to trace the ring of pedophiles began in San Jose, California, in May 1996, when the police discovered that a child-abuser had broadcast live images on the Internet to a smaller pedophile ring known as the Orchid Club. A ten-year-old girl had been pulled out of a slumber party in the middle of the night and taken into the computer room in an upper middle class American home, where she was molested and violated and raped online. The scene was broadcast to Australia and Canada and Finland and places all over the United States. Viewers were invited to send messages online saying what they wanted to see done to their victim.

Once this incident was discovered, the ensuing investigation linked the Orchid Club to a larger and even more sinister pedophile network called Wonderland. Wonderland originated in the United States but also operated in Australia, Austria, Belgium, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, Norway, Portugal, Sweden and Britain.

Wonderland, the Orchid Club, and other pornography rings are not simply exchanging images of undressed children romping on the beach. They have images that are the most horrible — two-year-olds, even six-month-old babies, being violently raped. Most of the 107 men eventually convicted for participation in the Wonderland Club were sentenced to fines. The heaviest sentence was three years in prison. Over 100 of these men are on the streets today.
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Unfortunately, the United States has had a poor history when it comes to child pornography:

1978, was when the first federal statute on child pornography was passed into law. This law forbade the production and sale of child pornography, but placed no restrictions on possession or trade of such material.

In 1984 new laws were enacted that forbade the trade of child pornography, whether or not money changed hands, but possession remained legal.

In fact, as recently as 1990, private possession of child pornography was still legal in 44 of the 50 states, despite the fact that such material was obviously obtained and produced illegally.

In 1999 the US 9th Circuit Court of Appeals issued a ruling that made it even harder to prosecute paedophiles.


The court of appeals affirmed a judgment of the district
court in part and reversed in part. The court held that the
Child Pornography Prevention Act (CPPA) is unconstitutional
to the extent that it proscribes computer images that do not
involve the use of real children in their production or dissemi-
nation.
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Critics of this ruling (including US Justice Dept. lawyers) have noted that with advancements in graphics technology, it would be virtually impossible to discern whether an image is of a real child or not.

As to the "Conspiracy of Silence" video, we have John De Camp to thank for it's distribution on the web. It was he who recieved what was probably the one remaining copy from an anonymous source working within the Justice Dept.












[edit on 6/11/2007 by Beelzebubba]



posted on Nov, 6 2007 @ 03:24 PM
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Exellent post! starred. I had no idea it was so difficult to prosecute child pornographers, nor had i known that the sentences they recieve ammount to nothing.

What kind of judge would make such a ruling? Do they not have kids of their own?



posted on Nov, 6 2007 @ 03:57 PM
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Um, yea, that was kinda the point.


If you would notice, he called me an "America basher", hence me saying I could throw in a reference to the Catholic church if that would make him happy.


think about it.


Jasn



posted on Nov, 6 2007 @ 04:04 PM
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Thanks InSpiteOf,

That ruling by the 9th Circuit Court really helped out one guy. His name is Patrick J. Naughton, a Disney executive, who ran Infoseek, a kid friendly site.


An affidavit filed in federal court alleged that Naughton, 34, who oversees Disney's Go Network, relayed lewd messages to a male FBI agent posing as a 13-year-old girl in an online chatroom, The Los Angeles Times reported Saturday.
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Naughton was convicted just one day before the Circuit Court ruling was handed down. Hours after his appeal under the new statutes, Naughton was released on $100,000 bail. Even though Naughton had pictures on his hard-drive of actual children, the decision was made to release him "until the impact of the court's ruling can be sorted out."

In January 2001, the US Supreme Court agreed to hear an appeal of the case. In April 2002, they decided that they would uphold the ruling of the lower court. In other words, the Supreme Court effectively placed a ban on prosecutions of "virtual child pornography."

It's interesting to note that Gordon Thomas in his book "Enslaved" Amazon Link (I highly recommend this book) states that child porn videos are trafficked internationally by being packaged as Disney videos.

The culture of child exploitation is endemic in the United States. Be it the sexualization of children in the fashion world, pop music, etc...

Look at Gregory Dark, director of video-clips for Britney Spears, Mandy Moore etc...

Dark was once half of the Dark Brothers.


I met him four years ago. He was making pornography then. He was famous for it, sort of--famous for making the worst pornography, a pornography of transgression and violation, a pornography that seemed intended less to glorify sex than to advertise the death of the soul.
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It was through this guy that a 13-year-old Traci Lords got her start in the porn industry.

"Death of the soul" alright...



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