reply posted on 5-2-2004 @ 06:40 PM by soothsayer
From "Forbidden Mysteries of Enoch", which contains the entire Book of Enoch, Book of the Secrets of Enoch, Second Book of Adam and Eve, Book of
Jubilees, Testaments of the Twelve Patriarch, extensive notes by Richard Laurence.
"And then there was the Book of Enoch. Once cherished by Jews and Christians alike, this book later fell into disfavor with powerful
theologians-precisely because of its controversial statements on the nature and deeds of the fallen angels.
"Its theme so infuriated the later Church Fathers that one, Filastrius, actually condemned it as heresy. Nor did the rabbis deign to give credence
to the book's teaching about angels. Rabbi Simeon ben Jochai in the second century AD pronounced a curse upon those who believe it."
"Thus, it is hard to avoid the conclusion that Jesus had not only studied the book, but also respected it highly enough to adopt and elaborate on its
specific descriptions of the coming kingdom and its theme of inevitable judgment descending upon "the wicked"- the term most often used in the Old
Testament to describe the Watchers.
"Over a hundred phrases in the New Testament find precedents in the Book of Enoch.
"At first the Church Fathers devoted much attention to the subject of the fallen angel whom they knew as the biblical Satan. The early Fathers often
quoted the Book of Enoch to make their case for good against evil... with the earlier Fathers and Apologists it [the Book of Enoch] had all the weight
of a canonical book.
No Lucifer in the Bible? Ha! To quote:
Isaish 14:12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the
*I'll have to pause here and re-read my hideous errors and uneducated baffonery, so I can get this post right. Edit it a little bit...*
Okay... Watchers as angels...
"to preserve for a far-distant generation of light-bearers, concerning the true nature of the fallen angels known as the Watchers."
"Samyaza feared to descend alone to the daughters of men, and so he convinced two hundred angels called Watchers to accompany him on his mission of
"The angels taught the duaghters of mensorcery, incantations, and divination-twisted versions of the secrets of heaven."
There's more, but to the next uneducated ramblings I earlier posted:
Read the Book of Enoch, Chapters 71-18. Each tells of the workings of the sun, moon, earth, stars, seasons, lunar months, solar years, rotations,
orbits, axis, etcetera. To further explain that Enoch was taught about celestrial maechanics, among other things, to quote from the Book of Enoch:
"In those days Uriel answered and said to me, Behold, I have showed thee all things, O Enoch;
"And all things I have revealed to thee. Thou seest the sun, the moon, and those which conduct the stars of heaven, which causes all their
operations, seasons, and arrivals to return."
"He said, O Enoch, look on the book which heaven has gradually dropped down; and,reading that which is written in it, understand every part of it.
"Then I looked on all which was written, and understood all, reading the book and everything written in it, all the works of man."
Now, you and I have gone circles in other threads. I've had to "prove" myself time and again, with quotes, sources, all the while you sitting back
and accusing others of being uneducated, illiterate, of not researching... when will you, oh mighty Mik, prove thyself?
All I have ever seen you do is accuse others of being wrong when it doesn't fit with what you believe in. You use sentence structures and speak of
hidden tomes to make yourself seem "higher", and yet you never name names, or give direct quotes.
Like I said, we've done this before (remember... Lilith, Gates, and the meaning of "the gods"? By the way, familiar with Christian Gnostics? You
know, founded by Thomas... seems early Dead Sea Scrolls studied by the ancient Hebrews talked about the Ankor... the gods which existed before our
current one... but that doesn't fit here, does it?)
I have never belittled someone when I disagreed with something. I have never accused others of being nothing short of idiots because what they
believe goes against what I feel. And yet you do.
I would have thought that when you changed your name, you would have changed your attitude. Guess not.
[Edited on 5-2-2004 by soothsayer]