The fall of the Global Elite has begun.

Originally posted by Drzava
if the elite falls, we all die

who is gonna feed us? who is gonna control the economy?

is the elite fall, another dark age will start.

i do not support the elite, but without the elite ,we are nothing.

o'man grow a pair, first of all there is always a group of sub elites who can step in, and they can expose the crimes of the elite, and have not had enough power to steal nearly as much themself.

Its not about not having an elite class, it is making that class more tranparent and accountable to the rest of us.

OK smart guy.

Lets do away with credit then. Lets see how far the economy gets then.

Are they supposed to lend you money at no charge? Take all the risk, get no reward? I am sick and tired of everyone wanting something for nothing!!!!!!

Thats not the American way!!!!!! At least it never was.

reply to post by traderonwallst


Loan me money at no charge? am I suppose to give them a percentage of profit from my work simply because they have stock in a company?

Considering the people who loan the money only earned it because of a system that funnels money upward, I really don't consider that 'money' they have to be 'theirs' in the first place.

The American way is both democracy and capitalism, currently capitalism is starving our democracy, a little resurgence of democracy instead of just capitalism first would be a good idea.


[edit on 5-11-2007 by Redge777]

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Sorry, but capitalism is what let democracy work in this country

Countries throughout history have tried one or the other and failed. Capitalism allows a person to move up on the food chain, it allows people to take risk and be rewarded. It promotes ideas and invention. I think what we need is more capitalism.....that and a flat tax rate.!!!!

This whole mortgage crises is just part of the big overall plot. We are so far in debt in this country it plays right into their hands. Every time the Federal Reserve lends the government money, it's at interest.

The elitist will get that money back or they can print more money which causes hyper inflation.

It's win win for them no matter what. It all started back with Woodrow Wilson passing legislation that puts Americans on Credit. He promised them to pass that legislation for campaign funds (Go Figure). And he regrettably had spoken out about it before he left office. He said this.

I lay it very close to my own conscience as a public man whether we can any longer stand at our doors and welcome all newcomers upon those terms. American industry is not free, as once it was free; American enterprise is not free; the man with only a little capital is finding it harder to get into the field, more and more impossible to compete with the big fellow. Why ? Because the laws of this country do not prevent the strong from crushing the weak. That is the reason, and because the strong have crushed the weak the strong dominate the industry and the economic life of this country. No man can deny that the lines of endeavor have more and more narrowed and stiffened; no man who knows anything about the development of industry in this country can have failed to observe that the larger kinds of credit are more and more difficult to obtain, unless you obtain them upon the terms of uniting your efforts with those who already control the industries of the country; and nobody can fail to observe that any man who tries to set himself up in competition with any process of manufacture which has been taken under the control of large combinations of capital will presently find himself either squeezed out or obliged to sell and allow himself to be absorbed.

At this point in time around 1912, the Bankers took over America.

Originally posted by traderonwallst
Sorry, but capitalism is what let democracy work in this country

Countries throughout history have tried one or the other and failed. Capitalism allows a person to move up on the food chain, it allows people to take risk and be rewarded. It promotes ideas and invention. I think what we need is more capitalism.....that and a flat tax rate.!!!!

Capitalism is a better economic delivery system, and other systems have not failed, see the socialism that is part of every capitalistic society.

Please explain the mechanics where capitalism has helped democracy. A person being able to move up by any means leads to monopoly and monopoly destroys market forces. Capitalism without restraint is not the system that allows what you say, it allows for consolidation of power, then anyone approved by that power can move up on the food chain.

5% of the population through voting shares of stocks control who runs the Corporations. By definition the private sector is not democracy.

As far as inspiring investment, it inspires investment that offers the most profit for those at the top, not investment that helps society.

If it is more profitable to put 7 year old children to work instead of going to school, which would a corporate system do? If they can't do it in the US because they have not repealed those laws yet, they do it in other countries

If it is cheaper to pollute a lake, what will a corporation do? You may say they wont pollute because of public image, but you forget they also own the media and decide what makes it on TV.

If a capitalist had to pick between funding a cure for a disease or a treatment which would they pick, how about funding a system when people are treated when sick, or one that finds loop holes to deny payouts to customers.

To further increase profits to shareholders, the single requirement of capitalism is to control a democracy, buy off the politicians and the news.

A corporation owns a news outlet, so lets see, its first obligation is to the stock holders, so lets see, would not inaccurate bias news fulfill that objective? Wow they already own all the media, and guess what they do.

and lastly, investment from corporations comes from the decision of the board of directors. One share one vote elected people. Public works projects come from politicians, in theory one person one vote elected people. It is a system to move power and control to the few if not moderated.

[edit on 5-11-2007 by Redge777]

Originally posted by traderonwallst
Sorry, but capitalism is what let democracy work in this country

I will say this, the elite successfully merged the words freedom capitalism and opening markets.

Somehow they have people believing that capitalism an economic system has something to do with democracy a political system.

It starts way back in school, and people can literally live 50 years and never hear a single thing about the potential problems of unrestrained capitalism.

Originally posted by TheInfamousOne
At this point in time around 1912, the Bankers took over America.

Are these? or are these not the very banking families that are now having to dig themselves out of this hole by injecting money back in to the system, in other words; throwing away there money and power by paying the peoples debt for them.

If it works and they can salvage then so be it, but if it doesent then these banks will come crashing down, or at the very least set back and greatly weakend, leaving the families and there global control plans in tatters.

(Thats if the conspiracy theory is true, I know I am not the only one to get sucked in)

do you really think the global elite are suffering from the credit crunch ?

After all the forclosures, they'll own more real estate, acquired at an extremely cheap price, and churn over the bad loans with better ones.

they literally print money, and make the rules.

If it gets real bad, they'll just call the politicians they placed in power for a bail out

Just imagine the fallout if certain members of the royal family are found to be guilty of orchestrating the deaths of Princess Diana & Dodi al Fayed. The current ongoing inquest could set in motion a global elite fallout, politically penetrating every member of the Commonwealth, severing ties with all western countries who wish to portray themselves as 'moral,' as well as alerting the masses to the real agendas of the ruling families.

The line of dominos is already falling one by one. If the royals go, the falling domino line will branch out into many, many more into a flood of toppling bigwigs. I personally look forward to a new beginning.

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[edit on 5/11/07 by Evasius]

I wouldn't say this is a time for panic. If you look at all the major powers or empires throughout history, you will find that eventually they outlast their usefullness and usually burn their essential resources away foolishly, rendering their economies unstable. For example 9 billion dollars a week for the waging of war. So really this is nothing new. If you don't believe me just look in a history book all the evidence is there. In all cases the power is caught up in a vaccum and distributed to the next power that eventually rises up and takes control for the next few years. If you look at history however, you will find that each new empire as of late does not last as long as the one before it. So is it conceivable that if the US fails to be the superpower that we may be at the end or close to having no new empire or power? Or are we out of the frying pan and into the fire?

Originally posted by Drzava
if the elite falls, we all die

who is gonna feed us? who is gonna control the economy?

is the elite fall, another dark age will start.

i do not support the elite, but without the elite ,we are nothing.

Good dog!

/sarcasm off...

Listen, if anything, the world does a better job running itself when not being told what to do than when some egomaniac upstairs thinks he can get a handle on everything for better, or more often, WORSE.

One human can't comprehend the complexity of interaction of a whole population. Let the individuals run their own lives, and eventually everything gets taken care of, naturally.

Who is going to feed you? A system of agriculture, production, transportation, and economy for which you pay your part in using money you earn by contributing to the system.

Who is going to control the economy? Why does it need to be controlled? Control of economies is the domain of despots and tyranny. If the laws which govern economic relations are just and common-sense to everyone, then the economy regulates itself. Only cheaters and stealers need regulation to prevent and punish their activities.

"Without the elite, we are nothing" is the ugliest statement I think I have heard all day. YOU are something, we are ALL something. Being part of a larger system of things doesn't mean that we have to be a part of the ELITE'S system. Theirs is corrupt and ruinous to our interests, and designed to benefit only the people they choose to benefit.

Without the elites, humanity would be able to take care of its problems without greedy, homicidal egomaniacs getting in the way. All we have to do is realize that we CAN and SHOULD become responsible for ourselves. Open up communication, trust, and work together, and stop believing the lies of people who claim to be our heroes and saviours. They are only MEN just like YOU and ME.

i cannot believe the topic of this post, the global elite are alot more well off than u think (or are led to think) dont worry about them,

their in good hands and so is humanity (and again i dont mean god)

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Redge777, I agree with your post wholeheartedly.

Why, just because I happen to be the employee of a company, do the dollars I make equate to just half of the dollars that the stockholders of that company make from my efforts? How is this fair?

And don't get me started on loaning money at interest. This practice was looked down on by every major religion and in historic times. It's only the bankers profiting from this theft that it is permitted at all.

I don't believe it's fair, or right to be able to earn profits simply from the fact that you have money. Thinking about it, it should be clear that there is one inevitable outcome: if having money makes money, then those who have money will eventually have it all. All others below the threshold of earning enough interest to pay for life will slave for the benefit of those above that line.

Money today is a form of enslavement, and it is criminal. The power and influence that money commands is being used now by those whose only purpose of living is to gain more power and control. They are insane and don't realize that their dark dreams can never be realized. They want the earth... and 5% more.

Be wary of those offering "flat tax" and "fair tax".

The truth is that our government functioned well before the income tax was even implemented. If an income tax is necessary, how did we make it until 1913?

See, the income tax is a scam in the first place. The system works like this, to use an analogy:

Imagine a teacher (the banker) walks into a classroom, and gives the students (the economy) $100 each, but considers it a LOAN. The teacher leaves, locks the door, comes back the next day, and orders everyone to pay up $110. Perhaps some students can pay, but others won't, so the only way to satisfy the bank temporarily is to borrow more money! Eventually, everyone is in debt.

Our government doesn't create money, the banks do, then loan it to us, at interest! If they create the loan money, but don't create the interest money, then how do we pay off the debts? Answer: WE CAN'T, except by taking out more loans from the bank to satisfy them temporarily. This explains how our country has it's astronomical $9 trillion debt.

This is a scam designed to funnel wealth and resources into the hands of the scammers, and today these greedy thieves are more wealthy than most nations (possibly even including ours). The wealth of the famous (or infamous) Rothschild family has been estimated by almost every scholar who studies them to be in excess of $100 trillion. This family has been anywhere and everywhere where money flows for over 200 years. They are the secret masters and owners of practically... everything!

If you believe anything I'm saying here, you should be quite upset. If you don't, I think you'll be upset at me just for saying it. But either way, don't take my word for it, look into the subject yourselves. But don't shoot the bearer of bad news.

The good news is that the world is waking up to this, and spreading the word. KNOWLEDGE is the biggest fear of the elites, because if we all know what's going on, there will be nobody willing to participate in their plans. (I suspect a number of people will hold them criminally accountable for their actions, too)

So keep your chin up, spread the word, and let's end this BS.

Originally posted by Redge777

Its not about not having an elite class, it is making that class more tranparent and accountable to the rest of us.

Capitalism is alive and well. I don't see the end in sight for the "global elite". Even in communist and socialist countries there's an elite. I agree that the first step is to make them more accountable to the
millions of us who are making them rich.

[edit on 5-11-2007 by Sestias]

Maybe it's just a secret plan : make the dollar fall, then adopt the euro ?

This OP stinks of mis/disinfo. Who the hell says # like "i fear what will happen to me if my master dies?" This kind of thing makes me sick to my stomach.

Thankfully, there were some fantastic replies. Keep it up, people. We're changing the world, no matter what you hear on TV.

The global elite could be on their way out ?...But, they have invested so much time and effort in the whole world domination thing, that I just can't fathom any real power changes...you know like one day they just announce "Slaves of the world you are now free, the world has become one giant cooperative, we are going back to Alpha-Centuri, Good luck humans" !

No, it will be the same controlling groups. The Citibank Merrill lynch executives will end up with another financial firm or maybe in the US government. The guy from Merrill is being bought out for $400million so he should be ok.

These globalist just change teams like an out of control baseball free agency market or like the NASI scientists at the end of WWII.

Citibank and Merrill may be "publicly held" but if you examine the stock holders upwards of 80% is controlled by the Globalists. They will quietly dump stock so that the other 20% get nervous and sell their stock, which the elitist will buy back at the discount which will drive the stock price back up...like a magic spell.

Capitalism is the art of using capital to make people do things for you.
People are contrived in the biddings of the elite just to pay off the debt concept. The elite need the non - elite to exist to play this game

Democracy is the art of mob rules, 51% of the people can make the other 49% do what they don't want to do.

That discrepancy is why the USA was formed as a "constitutional" republic, but was slowly manipulated into a "democratic" republic. The elite can simply convince the majority(51%) of people that a certain system is in their best interest, they implement the system through the illusion of voting as an actual self determined choice(suckers)

Capitalism is the mutation of a true "free market", basically its a slave market. Just a glance at the emergence of capitalism and the slave trade
should be condemning enough to at least question the motives of staunch capitalists.

The most successful systems are the systems that work through bottom up governance. Computers and network systems work this way, there is central administration, but the actual power is located within the masses of requesters or end users. A good example of a financial model of this structure is EBAY. All final decisions are made by the end users. Regardless to the needs of the group or administrators, the individual is empowered through the system.

Originally posted by flashback
This OP stinks of mis/disinfo. Who the hell says # like "i fear what will happen to me if my master dies?" This kind of thing makes me sick to my stomach.

Thankfully, there were some fantastic replies. Keep it up, people. We're changing the world, no matter what you hear on TV.

You mean besides this reply?
Adding any thing to the discussion?
Where did I say anything about fearing anything?
Are you sure you are not mistaking the OP for the second poster/reply?
Maybe you could re-read, check and reply to this post!
As far as I know I stink of nothing but different ideas.
lol, this is a conspiracy theory forum, I have a conspiracy THEORY!

Regards xS_Gx