Using Logic and critical thinking, I can prove the existence of GOD.

reply to post by jedimiller

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Jedi,

Your premise was simple but true, but I'm sure a lot of people will try to find flaws in it, but have courage for indeed God exists. The creation testifies of its Creator, God who is the source of all things.

41:53 We shall show them Our portents on the horizons and within themselves until it will be manifest unto them that it is the Truth. Doth not thy Lord suffice, since He is Witness over all things?

Let me share with you a discussion between Jesus and his disciple Philip which I think is relevant to your topic.

'Tell me, I pray you, if ye should give your money into the bank to a publican, and he should give unto you tenfold and twentyfold, would ye not give to such a man everything that ye had? But I say unto you, verily, that whatsoever ye shall give and shall forsake for love of God, ye receive it back an hundred-fold, and life everlasting. See then how much ye ought to be content to serve God.

When Jesus had said this, Philip answered: 'We are content to serve God, but we desire, however, to know God, for Isaiah the prophet said: "Verily thou art a hidden God," and God said to Moses his servant: "I am that which I am."

Jesus answered: 'Philip, God is a good without which there is naught good; God is a being without which there is naught that is; God is a life without which there is naught that liveth; so great that He filleth all and is everywhere. He alone hath no equal. He hath had no beginning, nor will he ever have an end, but to everything hath He given a beginning, and to everything shall He give an end. He hath no father nor mother; He hath no sons, nor brethren, nor companions. And because God hath no body, therefore He eateth not, sleepeth not, dieth not, walketh not, moveth not, but abideth eternally without human similitude, for that He is incorporeal, uncompounded, immaterial, of the most simple substance. He is so good that He loveth goodness only; He is so just that when He punisheth or pardoneth it cannot be gainsaid. In short, I say unto thee, Philip, that here on earth thou canst not see Him nor know Him perfectly; but in His kingdom thou shalt see Him for ever: wherein consisteth all our happiness and glory.'

Praise be to God.

reply to post by psychedeliack

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Great viewpoint you have there. God is the only TRUTH, everything else is vanity.

The foremost in religion is the acknowledgment of Him, the perfection of acknowledging Him is to testify Him, the perfection of testifying Him is to believe in His Oneness, the perfection of believing in His Oneness is to regard Him Pure, and the perfection of His purity is to deny Him attributes, because every attribute is a proof that it is different from that to which it is attributed and everything to which something is attributed is different from the attribute.

( Excerpted from Peak of Eloquence Sermon by Imam Ali-)

reply to post by jedimiller

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We know what air is. We can even tell the difference between carbon dioxide and air - put a bag on your head, wait a bit, and see if you can still breathe.

Your post is not logical in the slightest. If you believe your own logic, you have to believe in everything anyone has ever suggested be real but can't be proven.

Just because your brain tells you that what you're feeling it God, that doesn't mean it is God. For all I know, it could just be a bunch of chemicals being released in your brain as a Pavlovian reaction to getting close to church. Basically, your location releases those chemicals, those chemicals make to feel happy and that happiness makes you remain convinced the Christian God is real, while the latter is nothing but an illusion.

What if the warmth that you feel is just you urinating down your own leg? What if the happiness you feel is that fact that your bladder is no longer bloated and painful? And the goodness coming from knowing that you are free to partake of more wine? Do these feelings equate to there being a god? Your logic is flawed. It is just as easy to attribute these feelings of happiness and warmth and good to a thousand other likely sources than some invisible, unknowable, unprovable being.

HAHAHA, you call this comment absurd??? When it comes to God, that statement makes more sence than any statement a theist arguing for God has ever made. Its just life, everything around you. Some people like to call it god, well thats cool.

Well, using the logic used in this thread, monsters must be real. After all, when I was a kid, I felt them under my bed. I couldn't see them, just as I can't see air, but I felt that the monsters were there. My dad told me it was nothing but my mind playing tricks on me, but I guess he was wrong wasn't he?

The feeling you feel is very simple. A knowledge of human psychology would tell you what this is. It's simple, the more you focus on something, the more it becomes real in your head. I don't focus on the thought of God, so to me, God is not real. However, many people do focus on the thought that God is real, and thus it becomes just that in their head. You could challenge me on this, but you wouldn't just be challenging me, but years of research on human psychology.

Oy Vey. This debate is still going on? you see let me explain further. To me God is Air, Water, Earth, Oceans, animals..Anything living. Our brain is made up of water..Our body is made up of water. Still, scientists can't explain how water in our brain can hold memories and electricity. Our feelings are from GOD. Everything we feel we have to thank god for. Be one with nature and be one with god and accept your feelings because they are telling you the truth.

All the elements of earth and the mysteries of electricity is how I proved GOD is real. Very simply, we wouldn't have anything without god.

How is that proof? How could these things not be a result of science, or for that matter a billion other things? What you're doing is akin to me claiming that Zeus made lightning. We have lightning, therefor Zeus exists. This is not logical in any sense of the word. Also, note that evidence is required for proof, not blind speculation.

many people on this thread have supported my logic and know there is a god. A belief is a fact. if you believe in something it must be true right? do you believe that your car can crash into a wall? it's probably true. Do you believe that if you fall from a tall building you will die? it's probably true. Humans and their ideologies are not part of imagination. we believe in things such as god because it's wired in our brain and if you can think about it and make it real. it's real. therefore god must be real. if you don't believe that, then you don't believe in yourself and all humanity and have failed to see beyond your plane of sight.

With this logic, all deities exist simply because people believe in them. This is not logic at all. A belief is not a fact. I believe my car can crash into a wall because it's a physical cause/effect. I have not seen Zeus, God, or Buddha, therefore, I do not believe in them. Should I believe in Zeus simply because so many people believed in him back in the day, and so many people couldn't have been wrong? After all, the human brain is infallible, therefore Zeus must exist, right? Forums are the worst place for Creationists trying to prove their belief. Just say you believe by faith and let it be at that.

reply to post by jedimiller

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Nice try. Many have come before you with this type of reasoning and many have disproved them. I'm sure this cycle will stop no time soon.

Tell me though, since 'feeling' God makes God real doesn't that mean there are several (thousands) of Gods?

Regards,
Former Christian

god exists just as much as god dosent exist

it is just a point of view , preception of one selfs belif in an idea

many see em self as god even thou they are just madmen
some people are gratefull for their surroundings and call that god
some say god is dead/evil/gracefull/prancing/she/black/omnipotent/rock
the list goes on

i my self stopped wasting time on what god is ,
instead i try to see how it is

reply to post by jedimiller

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Up until now it is all guess work by primates or humankind...

Be patient and read this whole text, before you judge!

The Churches of Primates, are completely wrong in their understaning of The Word "GOD".

So the whole subject that is being argued here is Off the rails before it even Starts!

So lets look at the facts...

No one on earth knows what "GOD" is, so how can you argue either way?

Even in The Bible, it is predicted this would be the case.

Even back then, they did Not know what GOD is!

In the Book of John it is written:-

In the beginning was The Word and The Word was with God and The Word was GOD...

So God is a Word....

What is the Word GOD actually mean?

Answer:- You have to take the Word GOD and Find out the Meaning in the Lost Language called ZIONic...

But how do we do this if the ZIONic Language is Lost?

Answer:- The Ionic Greek came from the Zionic Language. So we being Intelligent can Back Engineer this Word to find The Real Meaning of What The Word GOD means.

Primates Do NOT Know GOD!!!!

We know the Zionic Language was a geometric Language and Not spoken.

We Know the Important parts of the Word is in The Font and Not a Translation of the Word.

So the Word is "GOD" to find the ZIONic meaning we have to pass through The IONIC GREEK Language.

Before AD Greek was Written in Upper Case letters only.

So "GOD" in English Fonts,

is Gamma Omega Delta in Ionic Greek Letters ( Not as in the Translation of The Word into Greek)

Now to establish the word in ZIONic we know the Ionic Greek came fro ZIONic and that ZIONic was a Geometric Language that was Not Spoken so lets back engineer the letters from IONic Greek into ZIONic.

The Ionic Greek Letter Gamma is half the Font in ZIONic so Two Gamma produce a Box if you look at the Image of The Font Gamma and take its opposite image and put them together.

So Gamma is a Box...
Omega is a Ring or Circle with four Little Diagonal Lines at 45 degrees and opposite each other, in ZIONic....

Delta came from a 6 pointed star in ZIONic...

Now lets have a look at the Geometry.

Ah yes if we put the ZIONic 6 pointed Star in The ZIONic Omega and Put these Two into the Box We have The Word GOD in ZIONic Language that was in the Beginning.

This Geometric Form or Font stands for "The House of David" and "The Root of David".

So you may well ask what all this means.

Well in all cultures across the Earth you can find this Strange Font in some description or other.!

And if We read in the Book of John it goes on to say, " and In him was Life which is The Light of Man" !

Interesting it Mentions Light or in the original Greek test “Phos” which is the Greek Word for Sun Light or any Radiant Light.

If we do More research we find that GOD is actually a "Living" Drawing "Machine" and is Part of what I call the Matrix.

Not at all what Primates think the Word "GOD" means.

Take this as correct from a man who died in 1973 and was declared Brain Dead for more than 30 minutes and then became what Primates or Humankind call alive again.

So take it From Me I don't need to believe or Guess, because I know what happens in what you think is Death.

I don't have to Guess, I Know by Experience.

What you expect will happen when each of you die won't happen at all and what you Don't expect to happen Shall Happen....

I can also show and prove what made GOD.

The Truth is far stranger than the fiction of Humankind.

Friendly Regards,

The Matrix Traveller....

Here is a Good Little Script, for everyone to Read,
and it is quite short to read...

I am sure it will inspire both sides...

The Writing is Called:

“The Thunder, Perfect Mind”....

You can get it through most Universities...
You may also find it on the net.

Friendly Regards,

The Matrix Traveller....

GOD is just the iconic image used by tha big business called the Church. Think of him more like Jack from Jack in the box.

Analogy:

You see HIS image outside of the business, plus displayed inside. You see his offerings on display inside, someone preaches his words, and you make a donation to seek salvation for your hunger.

Seem all too familiar?

reply to post by gavron

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I would agree 101%