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reply posted on 4-11-2007 @ 06:22 PM by zakd619
reply to post by Throbber



i dont think its supernatural, but it helps to know anything that can help you breath. did you try the techniques?



reply posted on 4-11-2007 @ 06:26 PM by Throbber
reply to post by zakd619



It's not often that i get to engage in a sword duel and remember everything i know other than that to flow through the sword (this is particular to swords, of course - sword vs. anything else is rather tricky, i find).

Actually, to be honest the only weapons i'm familiar with on how to use efficiently are knives and short blades - i find larger weapons rather cumbersome.

There must be rogue blood in me or something.

EDIT: + shorter weapons are lighter, and i'm not really made for carrying that kind of weight around with me.

Basically, it's not my style to try anything other than slicing your arm off or cutting your vital points in a fight, which bodes ill for me if using practice weapons.

As for the breathing techniques, i don't think the ones you allude to have anything to do with combat, which denies any purpose for me learning them really.

If your psychology is okay, then your breathing should be okay.



[edit on 4-11-2007 by Throbber]


reply posted on 4-11-2007 @ 06:30 PM by zakd619
reply to post by Throbber




Ya i have display swords at home. when you use them if you dont regulate your breathing your not as smooth or swift. Also i find my shorter blades are easier because since they are lighter it doesnt affect your breathing.


reply posted on 4-11-2007 @ 06:31 PM by Throbber
reply to post by zakd619



Ah... okay...

Why did you post this, by the way?

Isn't this something you're supposed to research by yourself?

EDIT: Anyway, even with short blades it helps to regulate your breathing, although it's to keep your muscles light rather than becoming tired, in which case if you're in a fight with a short blade and you start getting sluggish against a person with a larger weapon, you won't have the energy to duck/jump/sidestep/parry under his sword arts.

I'm real good at expending loads of energy at once, which ultimately means i'm the kind of fighter who will do anything to win, if i feel it's nessecary to win.



I guess you could say i'm a natural - when i started philosophizing over the potential aspects of fighting with blades i came to the conclusion that we're actually making up for our lack of claws or predatory power due to our lifestyles - as such i'd prefer to use two short blades over one long one.

Essentially, it'd work on most opponents without any real thought put into it, and for the more skilled ones i can start acting all cunning.

But like i said, it doesn't make me a good practice partner.

[edit on 4-11-2007 by Throbber]


reply posted on 4-11-2007 @ 06:36 PM by zakd619
reply to post by Throbber



no but i figured since there is a survival section i would post it. It makes sense actuallt since it helps with breathing and all.


reply posted on 5-11-2007 @ 10:11 AM by Yarcofin
Those breathing techniques remind me of the Norse berserkers, which you have probably heard of. Even though you are using different techniques than them, it is achieving similar results.

It could definately be of assistance in survival situations where you are in physical stress/pain trying to make a fire by friction, or having to quickly put a shelter together. I often use a mild form of berserking for completing labourous, monotonous tasks like stacking large amounts of firewood or moving a big pile of soil. I basically just focus my mind and start getting a bit rowdy/just doing stuff with brute strength without thinking.. just sort of trance/tune out and do the work.



reply posted on 5-11-2007 @ 10:26 AM by Badge01
In fighting what you want to try and train away (remove) are two or three of the normal reflexes.

1. Tunnel vision
2. Loss of fine motor control due to adrenaline (and other hormones) during the fight or flight response.
3. You also need to train out the 'blink reflex' when hit in the face, (and the urge to turn away from punches.)

The aim of breath control or breathing practice is to mediate these.

The best way is underwater breath-holding training. Notice the surfers in Hawaii dive to the bottom and get a basketball sized rock and try to carry it through the sandy bottom for distance then surface and repeat. This is the best possible breath training. Edit: Oh, also check out the type of rapid breathing they do in Kundalini yoga (one sect does it better).

The essential part of breath training is NOT trying to get in more oxygen, though deep diving experts will do different techniques to 'load the blood' and you can do this. BUT the key is eliminating Carbon Dioxide from the lungs.

To do this breath out sharply, either through the nose or tight lips. This will cause the CO2 that is left in the bottom of your lungs to possibly be circulated out.

When punching try it normal breathing. Then try it by breathing out forcefully through the nose as you impact the bag. This tightens the intracostals similar to a sneeze. It also tightens the other abdominals and allows better energy transfer from the legs and hips. (otherwise your torso flexes, losing power).

HTH.


[edit on 5-11-2007 by Badge01]


reply posted on 6-11-2007 @ 11:00 AM by Badge01
reply to post by PaddyInf



Good points, but we're talking lungs versus blood stream.

Breathing out sharply may clear out latent CO2 in the lungs.

Certainly breathing pure oxygen allows for longer breath holding, but we're not talking about that, are we?

So again, it's not how much 'air' you can breathe in especially, but that breathing out more completely may purge the lungs of CO2 in the bottom of the lungs.

For example, I get better 'oxygen' when I breath out sharply and fully on a climb on my bike, emptying my lungs.

When you do that, the rib cage and the intercostals and diaphragm naturally then expands and your lungs fill without trying.

Conversely, if I try to 'breath -in- more' on a climb, it doesn't help me and actually seems to slow down my recovery.

Make sense?

PS. Certainly what you said about blood holds true as far as the CO2 level in the blood triggering the diaphragm. But what happens when you breathe pure oxygen? You can hold your breath longer. I'm not sure of what would happen if one were to try and exercise (like on a treadmill) breathing pure O2.


[edit on 6-11-2007 by Badge01]


reply posted on 6-11-2007 @ 11:20 AM by Badge01
OK, your question brought me to this site:

www.pponline.co.uk...

It talks about the advantages, if any, of breathing pure oxygen on performance. According to calculations it might raise the hemoglobin saturation by about 3%. Blood is normally almost completely saturated with oxygen breathing normal room air at sea level. (note that it's often the release rate of the hemoglobin that's important, not how much it can carry. It's how much can it deliver to the tissues.).

Training improves many things in the body, and among them is thought to be circulation, lactate levels, perfusion and other aspects. It's thought that exercise may improve the numbers of capillaries in the muscle. So it's often how fast can one deliver nutrients and remove limiting harmful byproducts, not on how deeply we can breathe, or how much oxygen content is in the air.

Make sense?


reply posted on 6-11-2007 @ 12:37 PM by Badge01
reply to post by depth om



Have you seen Rickson's stomach roiling exercises? Do you know why he does those?

He tenses and releases the internal abdominals.

Note at about 1:43 into it, the BoF, then at about 2:00 on the roiling.



Though people talk about Qi, I wonder how many understand it beyond the buzz words.

2 cents.

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