Originally posted by SIEGE
So, Tom Bedlam, what kind of person are you ? From reading your posts
on this thread, I get the impression that you're a watchdog. You seem to
be very well informed, with a bureaucratic background that appears to
make you straddle the fence. You know things, - of things, but you can't
utter a word. Yet you're here, browsing. Why? Are you not bound by some
fear or oath?
That's why I'm not contributing any project information. There isn't an oath not to come here. I do tend to avoid some threads entirely.
But, no, not a watchdog. However, let's say you found a thread on ATS that said "I found something neat in a guy's house!", and in the thread you
saw someone describing the contents of a house. In the thread, the guy was saying, "I looked in his garage and saw some neat boxes - maybe they're
full of aliens! So I took a crowbar and pried his door open, and opened up the boxes. I didn't find anything, so I'm going through his house to look
for evidence! This house is at 123 Maple!" That's your neighbor's house! You look outside, and sure enough, he's tearing up your next door
neighbor's house while he's gone. Do you:
1) applaud his effort to reveal the truth
2) call the cops
Are you looking to "bust" someone if they do indeed put up "pieces-to-the-
puzzle that appears to you to be an "edge"?
In that case, it was a two part article on another fairly popular site. The author is a professional who specializes in military technology. In the
first article, he was addressing the background of something pretty tightly held, but here and there he was using phrasing that appeared to be direct
from a set of project documents I recalled. I did not know if he had it, or was being supplied with it, but either way it could have been a breach.
The second part was going to be about the current state of this particular technology, so he said. So I called the SO over that project and gave him
the URL to part 1.
He called me back and said that he'd read the second part and it wasn't a breach, although he agreed with me that the phrasing used in places was
right from someone's docs. I've got the guy's direct email now, and I'd probably drop him a line and ask him directly first. But I'd still be
calling someone if he was going to publish docs from a major weapon system.
You said, "Well, then the second thing that hit me was that it could be
construed as solicitation if someone actually DID answer him- bad for
So I ask you, why is it bad for both? If we were to learn something
truthful and useful from the pieces, why would you consider it bad?
Soliciting classified information is unlawful. It's a felony. You go to jail, directly to jail, do not pass go. If you ask for someone to disclose
and they do, you are both felons. I generally inform people on ATS when it looks like they're on a "fishin' expedition" which is the phrase
they'll use when They® come "interview" you. Actually, just asking for someone to disclose is a crime but they generally wait for the other
shoe to drop, although not always.
Your tongue-in-cheek humor comes off as condescending. Are you
laughing at our incompetence? If I've got this wrong, let me know. But I
presently don't know how to take you. (maybe with a whole shaker of salt)
You've ratted out ATS'ers in the past. What's the criteria? Your job?
Really only 3,4, and 9, where I found the questions funny. I've got a dry, black sense of humor that people sometimes find offensive. The other
answers are real.
My other criteria are pretty clear, and it's not my job. If you start a thread saying that you've just broken into a crate of missile guidance
systems (by the NSN) and you give me a pretty good description, and you're supposed to be delivering them to the base that does repair and service on
them, then I'm going to call base security and let them know, because you're a f* criminal.
[edit on 6-11-2007 by Tom Bedlam]