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Bush - Assassination or Death coming?

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posted on Feb, 8 2004 @ 01:04 AM
lol that's the joy of broad spectrum quotes, they can mean something specific or describe the meaning of life

posted on Feb, 8 2004 @ 02:03 AM
I dont see Dubya getting shot or assassinated, but thats coming from my third eye, which may need some strong perscription glasses.

posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 09:37 AM
Think about this and its true implications--Al Gore, WAS elected president of the US, and in keeping with the Indian curse, he did not get to serve his full term as president, as predicted by the curse. And then when you look at what has happened to the Vice-President's of the slained Presidents, their hold onto the Presidency was also very shakey and tumultuous. For example, although Teddy Roosevelt did serve as a distinguished President after McKinley's deaht, his time in office always was foreshadowed by his own sense of "imminent death". Look at Truman what he had to endure has Roosevelt's VP, and Coolidge, who was mostly mocked as silent Cal after Harding's death, and, who actually did plant the seeds for the Great Depression with the laissez-faire attitude towards business. And above all, look what happened to Lyndon Johnson after JFK's assination!!

Now, follow the thinking this way. Al Gore was elected President and was denied to serve in 2000 and Joe Lieberman was denied succession to the Vice-Presidency as well.. But as with all former VP's who succeed the President, as I had mentioned earlier, Lieberman also has a difficult time in the political process--does not get a chance to become his own partys nomiinee..again reflecting the insurmountable odd against theVP's own political fortunes.

posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 10:28 AM
I think the Puppet Masters have withdrawn their support for Bush, and we will see increasingly erratic behavior as a result. The fact that huge numbers of voters feel they have no good choices is also creating a situation in which any change would be greeted with relief by those who don't realize the new candidate works for the same people.

I also think Bush has some kind of deteriorating physical condition (the wages of sin?) and Kerry has a sick look about him, too. If Bush goes, Cheney will probably not run - due to health issues also. This leaves the possibility wide open that some major change in candidates is on the horizon.

posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 10:49 AM
President Reagan survived and broke the curse. Your teacher needs to go back to school.

posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 11:41 AM
He told me every US President in our entire history that was elected on a zero year either died in office, or was assassinated in office, and Bush being elected in 2000, I'm wondering if he'll continue that chain of reoccurance.

What the college professor was probably alluding to was Techumseh's Curse

William Henry Harrison won the presidency in 1840 with the slogan, "Tippecanoe and Tyler Too." This refers to his participation in the Battle of Tippecanoe in 1811. He was seen as a hero when Tecumseh's forces were defeated at this battle. Harrison's presidency never really had a chance to begin. He delivered a very long inaugural address on a cold, windy day. Then he was caught in a rainstorm. He caught a cold which turned for the worse and led to his death. He 'served' as president from March 4 - April 4, 1841. His death would be seen as the first in a long series of what became known as Tecumseh's Curse: Presidents elected in a year ending in a zero would die in office.

In 1860, Abraham Lincoln was elected as the first person to run under the Republican party. The United States quickly moved into a Civil War which would last from 1861-1865. On April 9th, General Robert E. Lee surrendered to General Ulysses S. Grant thereby ending the rift that was tearing apart the nation. Only five days later on April 14, 1865, Lincoln was assassinated by Southern sympathizer John Wilkes Booth.

In 1880, James Garfield was elected to the presidency. He took office on March 4, 1881. On July 2, 1881, Charles J. Guiteau shot the President which eventually led to his death on September 19, 1881. The mentally unbalanced Guiteau was upset because he had been denied a diplomatic post by the Garfield administration. He was eventually hung for his crime in 1882.

In 1900, William McKinley was elected to his second term as president. Once again, he defeated his opponent, William Jennings Bryan as he had in 1896. On September 6, 1901, McKinley was shot by Leon F. Czolgosz. McKinley died on September 14th. Czolgosz called himself an anarchist and admitted to killing the president because, "...he was the enemy of the people...." He was electrocuted in October, 1901.

In 1920, Warren G. Harding was elected president as a stern response to the Wilson presidency. He is not considered to be among the better presidents to have served. Scandals such as the Teapot Dome and others marred his presidency. On August 2, 1923, Harding was visiting San Francisco on a cross-country Voyage of Understanding to meet people across the nation. He suffered from a stroke and died at the Palace Hotel.

In 1940, Franklin Roosevelt was elected to his third term as president. He would be elected again in 1944. His presidency began in the depths of the Great Depression and ended shortly after the fall of Hitler in World War II. He died on April 12, 1945, of a cerebral hemorrhage. Since he was elected during one of his terms in a year that ended with a zero, he is considered part of Tecumseh's curse.

In 1960, John F. Kennedy became the youngest elected president. This charismatic leader suffered some highs and lows during his short term of office including the Bay of Pigs Invasion, the creation of the Berlin Wall, and the Cuban Missile Crisis. On November 22, 1963, Kennedy was riding in a motorcade through Dallas and was assassinated. Lee Harvey Oswald was found to be guilty as a lone gunman by the Warren Commission. However, many people still question whether more individuals were involved in a conspiracy to kill the president.

In 1980, Ronald Reagan became the oldest man to be elected president. This actor-turned-politician also suffered highs and lows during his two terms in office. He is seen as being an important figure in the breakdown of the former Soviet Union. However, his presidency was tarnished by the Iran-Contra Scandal. On March 30, 1981, John Hinckley attempted to assassinate Reagan in Washington, D.C. Reagan was shot but was able to survive with quick medical attention. President Reagan is the first to foil Tecumseh's curse and some consider it to be broken.

However many people now consider Reagan not to be an exception since there is considerable speculation his Alzheimers began well before the end of his Presidency. One could argue he in effect did not escape the curse.

posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 11:46 AM
Anyone else familiar with this curse?

posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 11:55 AM
Here's some more information on this curse:

20/20: Curse of Tecumseh Comes into Focus
Recurring curse threatens zero year presidents with untimely deaths

Josie Roberts
Cavalier Daily Associate Editor
Lincoln shot in Ford's Theater. Garfield gunned down at a Washington railway station. McKinley struck by the bullet of an unemployed millworker. Kennedy assassinated from the seventh floor of the Texas School Book Depository.

Since 1840, every president elected in a year ending in zero has had his term cut tragically short, either by illness or assassination: William Henry Harrison (elected 1840), Abraham Lincoln (1860), James A. Garfield (1880), William McKinley (1900), Warren Harding (1920), Franklin D. Roosevelt (1940) and John F. Kennedy (1960).

The exception? Ronald Reagan, elected in 1980, who narrowly survived an assassination attempt March 30, 1981.

Coincidence? Or could there be something more?

For the believers of an old prophecy, the seven presidential deaths are linked by more than just a string of bad luck. And now, in the year 2000 - on the cusp of a presidential election - the numbers may be up.

Enter the Curse of Tecumseh.

It starts with President Harrison, who caught a cold while giving his inauguration speech. The cold developed into pneumonia, and Harrison died only one month later. Harrison served the shortest term of any American president, and his surprising and untimely death was the start of a pattern that has resurfaced every 20 years since his election.

As the story goes, his death was foretold by the Prophet, the half-brother of Shawnee Indian leader Tecumseh, Harrison's rival in the quest for Westward expansion.

"Harrison will die I tell you," the Prophet reportedly said. "And after him, every Great Chief chosen every 20 years thereafter will die. And when each one dies, let everyone remember the death of my people."

And now, with the 2000 presidential election, the "curse" threatens to re-emerge.

"Should we worry about the curse? Maybe," University history Ph.D. candidate Leonard Sadosky said. "There are simply too many [instances] for this to be a coincidence."

Cursed Beginnings

Shawnee Indian leader Tecumseh promoted the idea that land owned by Native Americans belonged to the whole community and could not be ceded by individual tribes. Harrison had different ideas.

A fervent believer in manifest destiny, Harrison negotiated treaties with individual tribes and gained millions of acres of land for new American settlers.

"The white people have no right to take land from the Indians, because [the Indians] had it first; it is theirs. They may sell, but all must join. Any sale not made by all is not valid," Tecumseh allegedly said to Harrison on Aug. 12, 1810.

Threatened by Tecumseh's growing alliance aimed at stopping the settlers, Harrison ordered American troops to occupy Prophetstown, the town Tecumseh had built with his half-brother the Prophet.

As legend has it, Tecumseh warned his half-brother to resist the conflict, but the Prophet nonetheless launched a surprise attack on the Americans camped along the Tippecanoe River. The Prophet, inexperienced in military matters, misjudged Harrison's strength and the battle was deemed a draw until the Native American allies abandoned camp. The battle became known as the Battle of Tippecanoe, a symbol of Native American oppression.

So Tecumseh was enraged when in 1840, Harrison and his running mate John Tyler ran their campaign on the slogan, "Tippecanoe and Tyler too!"

And according to the story, the Prophet then cast those infamous and deadly words that have haunted the presidency since 1840.

Too Far Fetched?

But not everyone is quick to jump to the Tecumseh conclusion.

"I've heard of this ridiculous theory, although I didn't know it was called the Curse of Tecumseh," University political historian Michael Holt said. "The facts just don't support it."

Holt said that a few of the presidents, notably Franklin D. Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln, who supposedly fell victim to Tecumseh's curse, were first elected in a zero year but did not die until a later term. Lincoln was killed in his second term and Roosevelt died in his fourth term.

"To count [Roosevelt] as one of the victims seems crazy to me," Holt said.

And bad luck isn't limited to Tecumseh year presidents. Theodore Roosevelt, Harry Truman, and Gerald Ford all suffered attempted assassinations.

Another glitch: President Zachary Taylor died while in office in 1850 but was elected in a non-Tecumseh election year of 1848.

"The curse does not seem to be exclusive - presidents elected in non-curse years also get cursed," History Prof. Joseph Kett said. "I'm not going to lose sleep over it."

So it is with Tecumseh. Inconsistencies that lend credence to skeptics.

How did Reagan survive if he was doomed by his 1980 election year?

Professional astrologer Mark Dodich, who hosts a Web site dedicated to the Curse of Tecumseh, said the reason is one of "cosmic coincidence."

He said the curse overlaps with the alignment of Jupiter and Saturn, whose orbits have lined up every 20 years.

In the year of the cursed presidents' election, the alignment occurred under an "earth sign" such as Taurus, Capricorn or Virgo. The alignment during Reagan's term, however, occurred during an "air sign" such as Aquarius, Gemini or Libra. Dodich cites this as the explanation for Reagan's survival of the curse.

According to Dodich, year 2000's Jupiter-Saturn alignment once again occurred under the earth sign of Taurus, a phenomenon he said won't happen again for another 600 years. It's the end of a cycle, he said. And he's worried.

"I'm looking at the vice presidents big time," the Portland-based astrologer said sincerely.

In this valid Tecumseh year of 2000, is the press asking the right questions? Rather than scrutinizing the presidential candidates' tax cut plans, Dodich would argue, perhaps we should be inquiring into their medical histories or researching possible assassins.

So when you go to vote this year, don't forget to ask yourself which sounds better: President Lieberman or President Cheney?

posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 03:28 PM
It's an indian curse. President Reagan is Cherokee. He claims to be 1/4 Cherokee. I believe that his indian heart saved him. He was still gravely injured (being 3/4 white man), but the indian in him saved him.

Something no one is talking about - famous deaths and airplane crashes always seem to happen in threes. President Reagan is the first of three. Wonder who the other two will be?

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