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reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 11:52 AM by Boniouk06
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Well i would like to say, that medical experts have said over and over again that only from a sniper shot does the movement of the head not imply
anything about where the shot came from.
Meaning that a sniper shot is so powerful, it can go through an object without the object moving because of the speed of the bullet and power of it.
Time and time again they have said that this is NOT THE CASE when looking at shorter range weapons, pistols SMGs, handguns, machine guns, shotguns
etc...
okay now look at the film again. His head jerks BACK and to the LEFT...
BACK.... AND... LEFT!!!!!
If this was a sniper shot... this doesnt really suggest anything as it could be a natural reaction to AFTER the bullet has passed through his
head....
if this is a Pistol.. then it HAS to be a reaction and therefore the shot came from the FRONT RIGHT.... IMPOSSIBLE therefore that jackie did it.
If it was a handgun from Jackie, his head WOULD Jerk to the front and to the right. Which it doesn't.
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reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 12:03 PM by letthereaderunderstand
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Originally posted by Darthorious
All right here's a link to a Google video that has some pretty good close ups in it and you can clearly see her hands and what she's doing compared
to the other video's. Doesn't appear she offed him.
Did notice around frame 303 that other camera man, is that video available or was it the one confiscated?
Link
I checked out that link and it appears to be the zapruder film in all of the shots, perhaps just zoomed in, but I could be wrong.
My question to you guys is this.
Why were none of the people in the car suspects? Pretend this was just anybody else, wouldn't the wife and all the others in the car be questioned?
Then, put forward the fact that the husband was having an affair that the wife knew about, would that not make her prime suspect? I would say that is
motive enough to detain her for questioning at least.
What do you guys think...please leave emotions at the door.
Curious to hear back...thanks
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reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 12:10 PM by Boniouk06
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Yeah you're right, and if they didn't class her as a suspect then something is very wrong. Same goes for the other people in the car... So
theoretically yes, your logic does put her as a strong suspect. But reasoning doesn't equal evidence.
There isn't any evidence that she shot him. The bullet wounds contradict it. The entry and exit wounds contradict it. The witnesses close by
contradict it. Her actions contradict it.
I agree she is a suspect, but did she do it? For me... no.
The head jerks towards her when he gets shot. Anybody with any medical or gun knowledge knows that your head would move away from the entry point. Not
towards it.
Unless of course its a high powered sniper rifle. but I doubt she had that up her sleeve!
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reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 12:55 PM by Revolution-2012
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That man was not lieing.
I also met a EX-CIA agent that was stationed in Vietnam before the war even started, his arm clearely showed a bullet had passed threw it and blew his
arm to bits, at which point cauterized is and splinted it back together. Semper Fi tatoos. Etc etc.
Vernon Stewart, approximately 64 years of age maybe 65 now.
I sat with him as we discussed off the topic subjects, he kept telling me to get sun glasses because people will be going blind in the next 10 years
or so etc etc. Sea levels will continue rising all the good old man stuff.
He proceeded to tell me he was a Ex-CIA member with two brothers active in the force. He then asked me who shot JFK, and I said.
Well Vernon I don't know but I think it was the government who shot him. At which point, he proceeded to smirk and say but who do you think shot him.
I said I honestly don't know.
He said all he would tell me is that it was someone in the car.
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reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 12:58 PM by Kr0n0s
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Like i said before, Jackie did NOT shoot him.. its possible that she couldve known about the conspiracy, which i think we can all agree there was one,
but she wasnt the trigger "woman"
I still maintain that there were at least TWO shooters though, I just cant see that final headshot coming from behind.
It had to have come from the front/right angle, it blew a lemon sized piece of skull off from that specific area.
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reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 01:01 PM by moonrat
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In that clip, you can clearly see an orange mussel flash coming out of JFKs head followed by his brains.
If a rifle round had hit him, there wouldn't be an orange fire-flash would there? Not unless it was an 'exploding' bullet.
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reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 06:18 PM by Boniouk06
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Originally posted by Kr0n0s
Like i said before, Jackie did NOT shoot him.. its possible that she couldve known about the conspiracy, which i think we can all agree there was one,
but she wasnt the trigger "woman"
I still maintain that there were at least TWO shooters though, I just cant see that final headshot coming from behind.
It had to have come from the front/right angle, it blew a lemon sized piece of skull off from that specific area.
100% agree with you
Definately 2 shooters. One from behind through the throat. One in front to the right which would also explain the head jerking back and left.
It wasn't anyone in the car.
Go here for medical autopsy photos of the body.
www.jfklancer.com...
Ok now can i please bring up something else... if you look at the bullet hole in the back? between the shoulder blades?... and then consider the exit
wound in the throat.... does anyone else think that its very "level"?
If it did indeed come from the 6th floor, and the exit wound in the throat, the entry would have had to have been in the back of the neck or head. But
its in the back and so the trajectory would be level if not slighty upward if you ask me.
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reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 12:21 AM by letthereaderunderstand
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Originally posted by Boniouk06
Yeah you're right, and if they didn't class her as a suspect then something is very wrong. Same goes for the other people in the car... So
theoretically yes, your logic does put her as a strong suspect. But reasoning doesn't equal evidence.
There isn't any evidence that she shot him. The bullet wounds contradict it. The entry and exit wounds contradict it. The witnesses close by
contradict it. Her actions contradict it.
I agree she is a suspect, but did she do it? For me... no.
The head jerks towards her when he gets shot. Anybody with any medical or gun knowledge knows that your head would move away from the entry point. Not
towards it.
Unless of course its a high powered sniper rifle. but I doubt she had that up her sleeve!
Thanks for your response.
I agree, everyone in the car should of been at least questioned, so something is definitely wrong with how the investigation was done, we agree on
that, but I'm not moved on it being Jackie. I pray they all rest in peace as what is done is done.
I believe she was MK-Ultra, and didn't so much have a cognitive roll, but was under the influence of some serious hypnosis. I also believe that she
really had no choice. There is no doubt other shooters were set up, and those shooters were most likely targeted on her first if she did not perform.
Requirement of a contingency in a conspiracy of this magnitude is no question.
I want to give her the benefit of at least that much, as I personally hold no ill will towards her. If she did do it, she had to live with that,
that's enough. I can't imagine what she was in fear of loosing. She had young children, and they were probably all she was thinking about because,
I'm sure she was threatened with that as well.
Thanks for taking your time to answer the scenario....Peace
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reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 12:24 AM by letthereaderunderstand
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Originally posted by Revolution-2012
reply to post by Kilgour
That man was not lieing.
I also met a EX-CIA agent that was stationed in Vietnam before the war even started, his arm clearely showed a bullet had passed threw it and blew his
arm to bits, at which point cauterized is and splinted it back together. Semper Fi tatoos. Etc etc.
Vernon Stewart, approximately 64 years of age maybe 65 now.
I sat with him as we discussed off the topic subjects, he kept telling me to get sun glasses because people will be going blind in the next 10 years
or so etc etc. Sea levels will continue rising all the good old man stuff.
He proceeded to tell me he was a Ex-CIA member with two brothers active in the force. He then asked me who shot JFK, and I said.
Well Vernon I don't know but I think it was the government who shot him. At which point, he proceeded to smirk and say but who do you think shot him.
I said I honestly don't know.
He said all he would tell me is that it was someone in the car.
=)
That is crazy....wow
Very Cool of you to share that and welcome to ATS.
Peace
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reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 12:29 AM by letthereaderunderstand
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Originally posted by Boniouk06
Originally posted by Kr0n0s
Like i said before, Jackie did NOT shoot him.. its possible that she couldve known about the conspiracy, which i think we can all agree there was one,
but she wasnt the trigger "woman"
I still maintain that there were at least TWO shooters though, I just cant see that final headshot coming from behind.
It had to have come from the front/right angle, it blew a lemon sized piece of skull off from that specific area.
100% agree with you
Definately 2 shooters. One from behind through the throat. One in front to the right which would also explain the head jerking back and left.
It wasn't anyone in the car.
Go here for medical autopsy photos of the body.
www.jfklancer.com...
Ok now can i please bring up something else... if you look at the bullet hole in the back? between the shoulder blades?... and then consider the exit
wound in the throat.... does anyone else think that its very "level"?
If it did indeed come from the 6th floor, and the exit wound in the throat, the entry would have had to have been in the back of the neck or head. But
its in the back and so the trajectory would be level if not slighty upward if you ask me.
There is only one thing wrong with the autopsy. Everyone knows the body didn't go strait to the morgue, but instead was put into a coffin and flown
out.
The autopsy is part of the crime scene. This is another part of the investigation, that was not handled properly. I would have to say that makes the
"official" autopsy moot. That is my opinion, but I believe that would hold up to an honest judge.
Peace
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reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 11:13 PM by Sillyfool
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I disagree that she did it even as an MKUltra Victim. Looking at his hand locations and hers and the location of the impact. If it were her it would
have exited the rear side of the head. Fact is there were shooters all over the place. The theory that the shot came from the storm gutter in front of
the grassy Knoll would explain the the vertical splatter from the explosion of his head. Why she would wear the Dress?? I was told that she told LBJ
when he told her to change she said " I want everyone so see what you people did to my husband".
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reply posted on 17-1-2009 @ 04:43 AM by MegaBears
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video.google.com...#
This video shows in good quality and has a good angle for you to inspect Jackie's left hand after the fatal shot. It appears that she does something
with her left hand before she clutches his midsection for a brief second.
I find it highly suspecious that the edge of the camera obscures the interior of the car at the moment of homicide and then quickly lowers down as
soon as JFK's head was hit.
I think somebody is trying to hide something.
Correction. As soon as you click on the link, scroll down the list of videos and click on to the second from the last video. It says it's in high
def.....
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reply posted on 23-1-2009 @ 11:07 AM by Flighty
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I don't think Jackie O pulled the trigger but after watching that gif image of the shooting , you'll notice a split second before Kennedy is shot,
Jackie holds his chin and puts her arm around his back and holds the back of his neck.
Like she is getting his head in position for the shot.
Sorry if that offends anyone, but that's what it looks like to me as clear as day.
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reply posted on 23-1-2009 @ 03:35 PM by letthereaderunderstand
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Hey guys after watching the shot a few more times, does it not look like something is in his mouth puffing out his cheeks before his head explodes?
Watch it again and tell me if I'm seeing things?
Peace
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reply posted on 28-2-2009 @ 01:15 AM by imd12c4funn
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What's in her hand?
I thought something flew from her hand down the trunk lid and the body guard sweeps it in a crevace under the hand rails as she climbs toward the
object, reaching frantically. Then the body guard nudges her back toward the cabin and they swap something between hands as the branches obscure the
view.
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reply posted on 28-2-2009 @ 01:34 AM by -NewSense-
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Wow, never crossed my mind to pay any attention to Jackie. Seems possible now that I pay closer attention. I've also seen videos where it looks like
the driver takes the final shot. Funny how he looks back just as JFK gets shot, and immediately turns back around. I don't know about you, but the
last time I saw someone get shot, and I was driving...I didn't turn around, my eyes were glued on the carnage.
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reply posted on 28-2-2009 @ 02:38 PM by frayed1
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I think it's peculiar that she insisted on wearing the bloodied clothing, especially after reading later that she was so insistent on not sleeping
on the same sheets twice!!
Plus there was quite a bit of 'back story' with Jack and Jackie that has gotten very little exposure since his tragic death.... They were
'reported' to be not on very good terms in the months leading up to the Dallas trip.
My Grandmother was an avid 'gossip' follower and had read a newspaper article about Jack 'ordering' Jackie to return to the US from an extended
trip......so she would be there for the Dallas appearence .....
During the trip, she had received the gift of a horse from some high level 'admirer', and Jack had demanded that she return it.....she refused. I
believe that same horse served as the 'riderless' mount in Jack's funeral procession....( I have read a differing account from some sources, but
have also found some that confirm the riderless horse was hers.)
No, not proof....but perhaps some motive?
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reply posted on 29-12-2009 @ 03:30 AM by damael
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As menes on the icke forums says, its quite sure that he was killed by the vatican and their army the jesuits:
www.davidicke.com... (and the zionists standing behind them!)
This also means, that JFK wasnt killed by a rifle, because the jesuits wouldnt kill on distance. They use the people that are very next to him, like
his driver or ... jackie and they use weapons like a handgun or poison.
I think when you watch the following part of the zapruder movie its obvious that she is pushing something into him. She uses all of her weight and
when she comes down with it his head explodes.
I think there was an installation into the seat, that she had to push on, then some weapon would be shotten from inside the seat or inside the the
armrest.
Watch the frames 4 seconds before the headshot until the frame when the shot happens. Spin back and front, reapeantingly. (on the digitalized
stabalized zapruder whatreallyhappened.com...)
Another important thing is, that she tries to get a piece of his skull when there isnt any. Watch the back of the car is complete clean. no skull or
blood at all. Also when she would do it to get a SMALL piece of skull that doesnt make any sense. She only did it to get out of the line of fire and
to give something to her bodyguard, must have been a part of the gun.
Another thing is, that when you read the wikipedia site of her. She was a roman catholic (like JFK was, but watch his speech about religion) and her
dad was a bankier. This is a strong paralell to the happenings from today, read about Federal Reserve and NWO information. She also did the merry with
Onassis only for money some say. Alexander Onassis: „Mein Vater liebt bekannte Namen und Jackie liebt Geld.“ (Alexander Onassis in Bezug auf die
zweite Ehe seines Vaters mit Jacqueline Kennedy)(Alexander Onassis: My dad loves famous names and Jackie loves money). He wanted to divorce him from
her, because she used so much money as a "supertanker" but he couldnt, he died. She wasn only married with him for 7 years and got 27 millions of
dollars out of that.
de.wikipedia.org... (sadly in german i dont know if the same information is in the english one)
Would be interesting how much she got out of the marriage with JFK.
Also she didnt really got him childs, from 4 1 died after 2 days, one was born death, one jfk jr died 1996 in a plane crash (also very controversial).
Now only Caroline witch isnt very politicall is still alive. But she doesnt make it very old i think because time and laws are against her, lots of
documents will only be realeased when jackies children are dead for 50 years. So it is in the laws that were done to protect the children, that will
kill them...
There are lots of facts pointing to her. But if she really did it she was only part of the conspiracy.
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